Recently at my church, a song was introduced as a "Prophetic Song"---does anyone know what the difference this song would be as opposed to a song that the Lord would give some one. My argument per say is that all songs of the Lord would be considered prophetic--if truly God Given --Yes? In Him Scott "The Burden draws near...!"
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Recently at my church, a song was introduced as a "Prophetic Song"---does anyone know what the difference this song would be as opposed to a song that the Lord would give some one. My argument per say is that all songs of the Lord would be considered prophetic--if truly God Given --Yes? In Him ScottIf you are talking about the same thing I am thinking about then a prophetic song is a time during worship where people playing instruments and singing will just sing and play as the Lord leads, new lyrics will be made usually just singing sounds not words will happen. Many in the congregation will do the same. Its supposed to be a free time in charismatic churches where you can worship how the Lord leads you 100% usually there is alot of repetition of a word or words that the Lord will give to a worship leader. The scary thing to me about it all is it seems people can turn this on and off like if the prophetic was a light switch.
usually there is alot of repetition of a word or words that the Lord will give to a worship leader. The scary thing to me about it all is it seems people can turn this on and off like if the prophetic was a light switch.With an emphasis on scary...Why am I suddenly reminded of sitting through a Benny Hinn event where they play the "Hallelujah" chorus over and over and over...It all seemed so innocent at the time.Deception. Manipulation. Hypnosis...Just a few words to ponder.
Hey guys great critism's by the way, now that we have torn down yet another charasmatic fallacy, I would love to hear the proper way to do worship. Since this way apparently is the WRONG way. (seriously) May Christ overwhelm you and shine through you. blessings Andy
now that we have torn down yet another charasmatic fallacy, I would love to hear the proper way to do worship. Since this way apparently is the WRONG way.If you read my statement correctly brother I was not condeming the pracitice at all but rather being weary of the use of it by certain parties and the way they use it. I believe God does give some liberty when we worship him, a wonderful example is evan roberts sister who used to sing a hymn infornt of the congregation and sometimes had a prompting to repeat a stanza, but restrained many times due to what people would think. When she told her brother evan roberts about this he told her not to grieve the Holy Spirit and this could be a serious offence and hindering His fullness in her life!
Hey Greg. I'm a prophetic worship leader. You might have guessed that, huh? When we do prophetic songs, we sing from our hearts just as the words come forth. They are normally scripture set to music. It's really cool, because it is led by the Holy Spirit and it isn't orchestrated by a person. We rarely ever repeat words over and over. I think the difference between a song someone has written and a prophetic song, is that it is being made up as you do it. If you then go back and listen to a recording and write out the music and lyrics, it is no longer considered prophetic. Prophetic simple means proceeding from God as it pertains to this particular topic.
If you then go back and listen to a recording and write out the music and lyrics, it is no longer considered prophetic. Prophetic simple means proceeding from God as it pertains to this particular topic.Yes like more of the Holy Spirit working in that given meeting to minister to individual needs, etc. But there is a usefulness to recording, reprinting etc. Like most of the sermons on the site were preached to congregations with specific intentions and purposes but have now been used in a far larger manner. But I know what you mean. Neat! I did not realize you were a 'prophetic worship leader'! Do you ever sing old hymns? just wondering?
Just a question? It's something that just happens all of a sudden---right? If that's true than it must be for the moment to encourage , exhort, edify, or meet the needs of the body of Christ present there at that time.Should we than or dare we copy it market it or turn it into common daily praise?Just a question.
Do you ever sing old hymns? just wondering?Yes, Greg, I sing old hymns alot. I was raised in the Methodist Church by a Baptist mother who was raised in an old tyme Baptist church. It'd be hard to name a hymn I don't recognize. I love the old hymns. My favorite is A Mighty Fortress Is Our God. What awesome words!In answer to Dohzman's question, I do believe prophetic songs are sometimes to encourage the body, but more often, (I can only speak for myself) they proceed out of deep worship to God. They are directed to God in worship. I suppose people sometimes record moments of prophetic worship because it is anointed to usher us into the presence of God. You know, I said it is often taken directly from scripture? When I sing prophetically, it seems oftentimes to be, my heart declaring agreement with God's word as an act of worship. I feel God smiling when I sing his word from my heart. It is, of course, interjected with declarations of just my own worship to God.
It's something that just happens all of a sudden---right?I'm not sure what you mean by "all of a sudden".Do you mean like when someone gives a message in tongues or a prophetic word?Should we than or dare we copy it market it or turn it into common daily praise?Just a question.I don't see anything wrong with recording it. As to selling it, I can't comment. I've never done that, but then, maybe I can't sing well enough to market my music! I don't think prophetic worship is anything new, but the label is. People have been singing prophetically to God for thousands of years. The one scriptural reference that comes to mind is David's song in IISamual 22. That song just proceeded out of his heart. He didn't write that song while he sat watching sheep. He just let it rip from his heart in worship to God. It has been printed and marketed for a long time, now. ;-)
When I visited Times Square Church a man sang propheticly during worship. The presence of God had quieted down the congregation and after a moment of silence a man spontaineously started singing Twila Paris' hymn "Lamb of God." Obviously the song was already in existence, but the moment certainly was spontaineous, and Spirit led.On a funnier note, while attending Central Bible College(Assembly of God Pentecostal) a friend and I often listened to another local bible college's radio station(Baptist Bible College, often anti-pentecostal though not as much as it used to be. At least they consider us Christians now.). During a chapel service the president of the college spent the whole time arguing against Pentecostalism. At the conclusion of his diatribe he asked the congregation to stand and sing his favorite hymn--he said it was his favorite. Once he named the hymn(I've forgotton the name of it.) my friend started roaring in laughter. He explained to his puzzled companion(Me) that the BBC's President's favorite hymn came into existence as the result of a prophetic and spontaneous song sang at a revival early in the Pentecostal movement :-). (Somebody apparently wrote it down and it now can be found in most hymn books.)I guess you could say that there is a true and a false side to prophetic songs. I would be warey of people who try to make a doctrine out of something like this. I would leave this in the category of special works of God, not normative, but certainly still possible. Miriam, Hannah, and David come to mind. The safest thing to do is to judge all things according to the Word of God. I would not want to discourage someone who is truly glorifying God and not uplifting the flesh.In Christ,Jeremy Hulsey
My apologies folks.It's obvious were are talking about something completely different here. Why I felt compelled to throw that out there was a knee-jerk reaction and beyond erring on the side of caution. Might be warranted but not here.I would be warey of people who try to make a doctrine out of something like this. Probably where I was heading and agree. Great story by the way.Also, how cool Dian! Have you ever heard anyone singing the Psalms? Have a tape that was given to me by a Eastern Orthodox believer and apparently this is not uncommon for them. Remember it took me by surprise as it was towards the end of a message, but the woman singing had a beautiful voice. Being that the Psalms were sung (primarily), wonder why we don't hear more of this in our own churches...
I wasn't being negative---I meant "spontaineous" and asked sincerely as to the extent of what should be done with itafter wards.Here's my reason.I've watched as the christian music industry has prostituted the churches hymns and taken music and turned it into big buisness.Now certain prophetic music ministries charge big bucks for thier ministries.The levities are to live off the free will offerings of the people.But these christians charge as much as $20 per person to be heard. I believe all Godly music comes from God to bless the church of Jesus Christ. Can you imagine a pastor of a church saying to the people you need to pay money at the door or you can't come in to be ministered to???(however in some circles that's actually being done nowin reguards to prophesy and healings and prayers for needs---sad)Anyway if you go to a music store you 'll see that christian music costs more than secular music,I have a hard time with much of what I see in America s churches today.I don't mean to be harsh on you---my comments ARE NOT--directed at you,but from your prospective I was asking questions so I could think about the answers prayerfully and come to some conclusions and if nessary a softening of my stance where it might be a little extreme or hardline. Thank you /God bless---Brother Daryl
Can you imagine a pastor of a church saying to the people you need to pay money at the door or you can't come in to be ministered to?I actually talked to a lady at Barnes Hospital who's church charges for attendance on Sunday nights now. I was told it is being done in order to pay for the new building.I noticed someone said that once something is wrote down it is no longer prophetic. Why would you say this is so? Early in the modern Pentecostal movement, prophecies were very commonly wrote down. This also included "prophetic songs." Which is how the hymn in my story came into being. I don't see how it loses any significance after being wrote down other than the spontanaity is not there.In Christ,Jeremy Hulsey
I noticed someone said that once something is wrote down it is no longer prophetic. Why would you say this is so? Early in the modern Pentecostal movement, prophecies were very commonly wrote down. This also included "prophetic songs." Which is how the hymn in my story came into being. I don't see how it loses any significance after being wrote down other than the spontanaity is not there.I'm sorry Jeremy. You are right. I suppose what I am really thinking is that you can't give a prophecy a second time. Does that make sense? In other words, if you reproduce it through recording or writing, you are simply repeating it for the purpose of relaying it to others. I am thinking of things that Jesus would quote from scripture, prophecies given that he would quote. I will use the analogy of a relay race. There's always the first runner who starts the race with the baton already in hand. When prophecy is reproduced somehow, it is simply being relayed. Really, honestly, that's true of any song that is written. It proceeds out of the heart of the one who wrote it, and after that, it is simply reproduced. Wouldn't it be fair to ask, as this thread began, are all songs prophetic? I don't believe all songs are prophetic. I see many people coming up with things that didn't proceed out of the heart of God. Satan does inspire people's thoughts, also. But, I do believe that hymn you mentioned and posted was indeed inspired by God!Hey Dohzman, Love you, Brother. ;-) Dian.
Quote:"The levities are to live off the free will offerings of the people."What is your understanding concerning the relation between a new covenant Christian and a levite? Are they to share all things in common? If not, whose to say where we draw the lines?
True prophetic ministry is a work in which much brain is involved. True prophetic ministry involves spiritual understanding. Therefore a prophetic statement may and must be repeated verbally and by means of recording means of various types.If it cannot be captured in terms of mental activity, it is not worth listening to the first time.If we do not capture verbal prophetic ministry for the sake of analyzing, we are not honouring the Spirit.Lars W.
You're right---prehaps levite was a poor choice of words to use but the type is still revelent.Peter calls us priest unto God.You have to admitt that in America we don't share all things in common.I mean if you were to go to your local church (i'm assuming that you attend a local congregation and have a right standing with the body of believers there)and say someone had a summer home in,,,,,say florida and you wanted to get away and wanted to use thier 300k motor home to get there---- good luck.we live in church where self has been exalted and Jesus is merchandised for gain. The leaders feed themselves and not the flock. And to stay on point for this thread prohetic songs as I see it has become nothing more than another fad and way for the christian music industry to prostitute the things freely given by Jesus for the edification of the believers. I don't know why I seem so extreme on some of my points as to the church but its like a fire in me that just burns and I wrestle with it to try to get to a peaceful balance. I see the things of God being misused---thats all. And the poor in our churches are left out because they can't afford the things Freely given by no less than Jesus Christ himself. You want to see injustice? Have someone who poor in your church ask a wealthy believer for the use of almost anything of value and you'll see something happen that'll break your heart.I 'm seeing the cry of thoughs dieing in the church.
Hello all, I am glad that we are all dialoging about "prophetic worship" now and many questions and thougths are being thrown out there. let me clarify one thing, my frustration in my original post was not with anyone person but with a tone taken against anything that might be contrewd as "charasmatic". That being said I am genuinley sorry for my sarcastic tone, there is no excuse for that. All things must be done out of love for the Father and the Father loves you all very much and would not treat you that way. That being said here are my thoughts on "prophetic worship", I believe we all have a song in our heart to bless the Fathers heart. Christ in us only intention is to serve and love his Father. Prophetic can be spontaneous, it can be planned(come out of an earlier prayer time or comuning time with the Father). Our God is both planned and spontaneous He is the creator of diversity and yet He has standards. The more I walk this walk the more i realize that it is one big paradigm because our Father, our King is all encompassing. As we allow Christ in us to come out more and more, i believe we will come to a place where our entire day is nothing less than a prophetic worshipping act to our Lord. Jesus only did what he saw the Father doing and only said what he saw the Father saying. I do not know how you can get more prophetic or worship than that. Prophetic being an act or word coming fromthe heart of God, worship being bowing down to ones will. For me personlly prophetic worship is playing two chords for 3 hours and singing my heart to God, listening for His words and trying to bless His heart. Never looks the same but sometimes if something hits my spirit right I will stay on that line or bring it out into a "regular worship" setting. Brothers and Sisters, we are all growing into our walk with Jesus and we are going from glory to glory, so let me encourage you all in saying that if your intention is bless the Fathers heart then you are on the right path. Christ in you is your only hope of glory. Blessings Andy
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