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Thanks for sharing. Found this very informative and interesting. Curious as to your take on all of this, since as you stated, you are closer in age to those who might take an interest in this.Since you are here on this site, I will take some liberty and guess you are serious in your walk...Do you find that something like this attracts or detracts from the message? In general do you find that your generation (for lack of a better word) is looking for hard truths or is it still a fad to fad type of thing that I grew up with? (I'm a bit older :-) !)
Hi Mike. :)Curious as to your take on all of this, since as you stated, you are closer in age to those who might take an interest in this.I was completely appalled when I read this for the first time. Disgusted, dismayed, shocked, disappointed, upset…the list can go on. I wasn’t happy, and it’s because I just know that this is going to appeal to some Christian girls who aren’t strong in their faith and it’s going to just put a cap on their growth. They’re not going to get fed at all through this magazine, they’re going to be hindered in their walk, and that’s incredibly angering. In the article, I read, "It looks totally like a magazine," says Sybert, a 19-year-old saleswoman at Loaves & Fishes Christian Store in Vista, Calif. She thinks it would appeal to young girls who might feel embarrassed carrying around a black leather tome. So it's okay to be ashamed of Christ and/or His Word? The girl who said that was 19...only a year ahead of me. Do you find that something like this attracts or detracts from the message?Without a doubt, it detracts from the message; it takes the focus off of God, and that should NEVER be done by anyone or anything claiming to be Christian. He deserves the glory, not our physical appearance, celebrities, boyfriends, etc. How DARE they call it Biblical yet draw attention to worldly things that obviously drag us down? Satan's laughing so hard right now, and it's disgusting.The other magazine targeted toward Christian girls that is mentioned in this article is Brio. I've read it before, and it's definitely borderline, but better than Seventeen, YM, or any of the other similar magazines.I lead an online Bible Study for newly-Saved girls between the ages of about 14 and 21. One of the things I constantly try to remind them is that being obsessive over these celebrities is one of the most wide-spread forms of idolatry today. And it's socially acceptable, even encouraged, because "everyone needs something to be passionate about". Well, we can be head-over-heels in love with God, not the pretty face on the silver screen. I am, and I like it a lot better than my B.C. time.In general do you find that your generation (for lack of a better word) is looking for hard truths or is it still a fad to fad type of thing that I grew up with?Just as in every generation, there are a variety of different types of people. Main groupings are obviously those who are truly Saved and those who are not. I have met and witnessed to nonbelievers who are truly seeking the truth with all their heart, but are not willing to consider Christ as a possible option. I was counted among those before receiving Christ; they are intelligent and analytical and perceptive, but as lost as lost gets. There are also of course, nonbelievers who just don’t care, just as can be found in any generation. Living in America, I’m familiar with a part of the country called the Bible Belt…I recently moved here from Miami/Ft. Lauderdale, FL. I’ve found people here who claim to be Christian but show no fruit whatsoever. It literally and physically hurts my heart when I meet someone like this, because they are blind yet claim to see clear as day, and won’t listen if you try to bring them to their senses. They’re confident in a faith they don’t have. These are the kids raised in a church; I can try to explain to them that we are sinners, we’ve broken God’s laws, we need a Savior, Jesus paid the death penalty our sins deserved….and they’ve already heard it a billion times as they were growing up. Daily they reject Him, and daily they increase Christians’ reputation as hypocrites with their false claims of following Him and living as the heathens they are. Among my peers are also those who love and serve and worship God with their lives. We’re not all at the same point in our walks of course, and we vary in our gifts. We’re well-read, empathetic, full of love and undeserved grace. Yes, we are still sinners, but we know that we are alive in Christ!!! And that’s more thrilling than anything I can possibly think of! Teenagers are social, and we take advantage of that by fellowshipping with one another, always trying to encourage and hold each other accountable. Our motto is usually 1 Timothy 4:12. Yes, some of us are more conservative (we say “extreme”) than others…I’m considered extreme because I don’t listen to secular music, for example, where a brother or sister of mine might just avoid music with profanity and lyrics that don’t honor God.The world is getting worse daily. I can hardly turn on the television anymore…this season in America, there are at least three new shows coming out featuring homosexuality. Every second that passes is one second closer to Heaven and to Christ’s return, and I cannot wait!!If we want to reach today’s youth, the message needs to be the same, as I was reading in another post here: we’re sinners! They know it, too, but try to mask it with “everyone’s doing it”. I was Saved to contemporary Christian music, so yes, some things do need to grow with the times. But the Word must stay the same, and anything that “grows with the times” must hold fast to that Word of Truth!We’re being raised to believe that reality is abstract and that truth is subjective, and of course that sin is acceptable because the definition of sin is also subjective and open to interpretation.A magazine like this isn’t helping.
Well said!"compromise" Seems to be the prevaling thought these days....Glad to see this isn't a noun in your vocabulary!Very encouraging!Mike
WE NEED A BAPTISM OF HOLY ANGER Paul was angered at the sight of the Main Street in Athens walled in with temples to false gods. In his translation Dr. Phillips says, “While Paul was there, his soul was exasperated beyond endurance at the sight of the city so completely idolatrous.” The Amplified Version says, “Now while Paul was awaiting them at Athens, his spirit was grieved and roused to anger as he saw that the city was full of idols.” Ancient Athens, though given to class and culture, was still peddling soul-dope. Let me make some suggestions why Paul’s spirit was roused to anger as he paced the streets and beheld Athens’ sin. Paul was angry at the power of false religion to delude the people. Paul was angry at the reckless devotion of these devotees to powerless gods. Paul was angry at the staggering wealth sacrificially given to build temples to frauds. Paul was angry that Christ was cheated of the love which He should have had from men and women who could have been born of the Spirit of God. Paul was angry that men with hearts of flesh cried out in vain to gods with hearts of stone. Paul was angry that the atoning blood of Christ was trampled under foot and scorned as dung. Paul was angry that the intellectuals mocked at the resurrection and ascension of the living Son of God. Paul was angry that within a heart’s beat of an eternal and inconceivably horrible hell men could eat, drink, and be merry. Paul was angry that the devil could keep living men captive in chains of fear and lust, and then after this life hold them eternal prisoners in the bottomless pit.Leonard RavenhillSodom had no Bible
I would appreciate opinions on how to reconcile this type of attitude with James 1:19-20."This you know, my beloved brethren. But let each one be quick to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger; for the anger of man does not achieve the righteousness of God."
I would appreciate opinions on how to reconcile this type of attitude with James 1:19-20.There is a difference between rash anger and righteous anger. There is a difference between feeling it and acting upon it. When Jesus fashioned a whip and drove those people out of the temple, He wasn't smiling.In the instance of this magazine, I am angry and upset. Really. Am I going to go and burn down the building where they print these magazines? lol No. But they're blaspheming my God, my Savior, the Love of my life. And I'm angry, and I think I have every right to be.
Couple questions for you todd:Does God get angry? Did Jesus?We are to be slow to anger (like God) and also to become angry for righteousness' sake (like God). It is the anger OF MAN that does not achieve righteousness. The anger of God does. We must have God's anger as well as everything else his spirit brings.
We are to be slow to anger (like God) and also to become angry for righteousness' sake (like God).'Paul was angry that within a heart’s beat of an eternal and inconceivably horrible hell men could eat, drink, and be merry.' This is very true that the more closer we get to God's heart we start to feel and act more like Him. Even I know that this is a good principle to have an 'holy anger' towards certain things in the church. But I sometimes apply this principle without being close enough to God and to feel what he is feeling regarding that issue. So I have shown disgust and distaste against a sermon or something in the church that is starting when I really haven't been close enough to God's heart to know what HE is feeling regarding the issue. There are times when God shows such mercy and love even when the situation demands 'righteous anger'. So I think it would be wise to not apply this principle in all occasions but seek God's heart on it and act accordinly.
Jason asked:"Does God get angry? Did Jesus?"Yes, and it seems that, like you said, there may be a time when (for some reason) we feel angry because GOd is angry. Here's a couple for you:Can we be angry and loving towards the same thing at the same time? Do we have the right/authority to do, be, or act like God in every way/situation?And even if we had the right, is it profitable? God's anger is always righteous. One reason is because He knows men's hearts and motives. Do we? I think we can be righteously angry with a situation but I don't know about with individuals.QUote:"It is the anger OF MAN that does not achieve righteousness. The anger of God does."Yes, I think that is an excellent point.Chosen7Stone:I think that anger can achieve no righteousness on it's own unless it is used in action. WHat's the profit in simply feeling angry about something but not doing anything about it? Unless you are doing something, I think that this will only weigh you down. Quote:"When Jesus fashioned a whip and drove those people out of the temple, He wasn't smiling."Agreed, but I don't think we can necessarily apply this to ourselves for two reasons. First, Jesus is not a Christian, He is Christ. He is God. Second, I will ask you the same question as I did Jason, do we have the same rights/authority as God? Quote:"In the instance of this magazine, I am angry and upset. Really. Am I going to go and burn down the building where they print these magazines? lol No. But they're blaspheming my God, my Savior, the Love of my life. And I'm angry, and I think I have every right to be."Now if you can love the people who are involved with the magazine while being angry, then perhaps you are ok and can use the anger for good. If you are holding onto the anger without love, I think you will find the situation to be an unnecessary downer and worse you may be in sin. And since you are angry, what are you going to do about it? I would encourage you to at least make some calls and try to engage the situation somehow (directly). If your anger is righteous and of God then I think you would do well to use it somehow. As far as I can tell, when God gets angry, He doesn't just stew in it, He does something about it. Does that sound right to you? If it's righteous anger, go for it. But I also encourage you to always check yourself and lean towards love and humility in the situation. Also check yourself to see if you were (or are being) slow or quick to anger and to speak in this situation.
Todd:Though we definitely do not have the authority of God, the power of God, deserve the glory of God, or have the command of God...it does not mean we cannot feel as He does toward certain things. I KNOW that I can never feel the amount of love that He may feel toward us, but I can still feel love. I can take joy when someone is Saved, and feel sorrow when a nonbeliever dies. I love my brothers and sisters in Christ, and I am angry when God is blasphemed. I may not be able to fully grasp the intensity at which He feels these emotions, but as I grow to be more Christ-like, I become more like-minded.Getting off this tangent that can be posted as a new thread if y'all want to continue talking about it, what do you think about the article? What do you think about this Revolve magazine? What are better ways to reach my peers? That was my intention in posting it to share...to get feedback.
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