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Elijah is invited onto a spacecraft

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Intelligent1 Sep 10, 2010

In the Second Book of Kings, Chapter 2, Elijah is invited onto a
spacecraft, which takes off with him on board:

When Yahweh would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind.2 Kings 2: 1.

There appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. 2 Kings 2: 11.

This is a spacecraft taking off, and when the narrator speaks of horses of fire, he is referring to the fire, which was emitted from the blast pipes. If you showed certain South American or African tribes people a rocket taking off, they would be incapable of understanding this scientific phenomenon in a rational way, and would look upon it as something supernatural, mystical, and divine. When returning to their tribes, they would speak of chariots of fire and horses of fire.

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enid Sep 10, 2010


You sound like an atheist.

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Heydave Sep 10, 2010

Sounds to me you watched and read too many sci fi films and novels! Where have you seen such spacecraft like this? I would suggest only in sci fi films from the imaginations of men. Von Daniken made this nonsense popular in the 1970s and made a lot of money from his books. Where is he now? All forgotten I think.

Beware the imaginations of stupid men, they will capture your mind and lead you away from the simple truth. Those who have gone astray this way end up believing the most riddiculous notions, built on nothing more than imagination.

"Because that, when (you) knew God,(you) glorified Him not as God, neither were (you) thankful; but became vain in(your) IMAGINATIONS, and (your) foolish heart was darkened". Romans 1:21

Edit: Intelligent1? No the word of God says you are foolish.

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enid Sep 10, 2010

I guess the ignorant South Americans and African tribes wouldn't know what a horse is either.

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ginnyrose Sep 10, 2010

If the WORD says God took Elijah up in a whirlwind, He did. If the vehicle he rode in was a chariot, so it was.

The problem is your lack of faith...You see, God is a whole lot smarter then the any group of intellectuals who work to figure our some of the most exciting mysteries of the WORD. Their intelligence pale in comparison to our God.

I stake my faith on the WORD above to what any modern thinker has to say.

Have a good day!

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Koheleth Sep 10, 2010

This is a spacecraft taking off, and when the narrator speaks of horses of fire, he is referring to the fire, which was emitted from the blast pipes.

Cool! Can you forward me the photographs!!! Thanks.

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Areadymind Sep 10, 2010

Zechariah Sitchen is wrong.

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/

sermonindex Sep 10, 2010

Successful troll is successful.

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enid Sep 10, 2010

Please note,

How, once again, satan has used someone to dump his garbage and run.

Have we heard from the original poster since he/she first posted? No.

Scripture tells us the enemy comes to steal, kill and destroy. And he also wants to sow discord amongst Christians.

Let us not be ignorant of his devices as the word of God warns us.

And one more thing.

Let everything that has breath praise the Lord!

God bless.

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Intelligent1 Sep 10, 2010

‘It is in the Book of Ezekiel, that we find the most interesting
description of one of our flying machines:

I looked, and, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, a great cloud, with flashing lightning, and a brightness round about it, and out of the midst of it as it were glowing metal, out of the midst of the fire. Out of the midst of it came the likeness of four living creatures. This was their appearance: they had the likeness of a man. Everyone had four faces, and everyone of them had four wings. Their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot; and they sparkled like burnished brass. They had the hands of a man under their wings on their four sides; and they four had their faces and their wings [thus]: their wings were joined one to another; they didn't turn when they went; they went everyone straight forward.
As for the likeness of their faces, they had the face of a man; and they four had the face of a lion on the right side; and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four had also the face of an eagle. Their faces and their wings were separate above; two [wings] of everyone were joined one to another, and two covered their bodies. They went everyone straight forward: where the spirit was to go, they went; they didn't turn when they went. As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, like the appearance of torches: [the fire] went up and down among the living creatures; and the fire was bright, and out of the fire went forth lightning. The living creatures ran and returned as the appearance of a flash of lightning.
Now as I saw the living creatures, behold, one wheel on the eretz beside the living creatures, for each of the four faces of it.

The appearance of the wheels and their work was like a bareket: and they four had one likeness; and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel within a wheel. When they went, they went in their four directions: they didn't turn when they went. As for their rims, they were high and dreadful; and they four had their rims full of eyes round about. When the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the eretz, the wheels were lifted up. Wherever the spirit was to go, they went; there was the spirit to go: and the wheels were lifted up beside them; for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels. When those went, these went; and when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the eretz, the wheels were lifted up beside them: for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels.
Over the head of the living creature there was the likeness of an expanse, like the awesome crystal to look on, stretched forth over their heads above. Under the expanse were their wings straight, the one toward the other: everyone had two which covered on this side, and every one had two which covered on that side, their bodies. When they went, I heard the noise of their wings like the noise of great waters, like the voice of Shaddai, a noise of tumult like the noise of a host: when they stood, they let down their wings. There was a voice above the expanse that was over their heads: when they stood, they let down their wings. Above the expanse that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sappir stone; and on the likeness of the throne was a likeness as the appearance of a man on it above.11
Ezekiel 1: 4-26.

There you have a description, which could not be more precise, of the creators who had come out of their flying machines. The “stormy wind” is the trace of smoke or vapor trail that present-day planes leave behind them at high altitudes. Then the machine appeared with its blinking light, the “flashing lightning” and “glowing metal”Later, four creators appear wearing antigravity suits with small directional jet engines attached. These are described as the “wings” on their metal suits and “their feet... sparkled like burnished brass”. You have surely noticed how shiny the suits of your astronauts are.
As for the “flying saucers” or “wheels”, their appearance and their operation were not at all badly described considering it is a primitive person who is speaking. “as it were a wheel within a wheel...they didn't turn when they went”. The flying saucers stayed near the creators ready to help them if the need arose, since they were loading supplies and carrying out routine maintenance on the large intergalactic vessel above them. Other creators inside the vessels were directing them. “...for the spirit of the living creature was in the wheels”. This is quite clear.

The suit described with its four portholes was similar to your first diving suits. “Everyone had four faces... they didn't turn when they went”. The smaller saucers were something like your own LEMs - lunar excursion modules - small, short range vehicles used for exploratory missions. Above them the larger interplanetary vessel waited.

enid "Patience is a virtue."

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ADisciple Sep 10, 2010

Who's the one with the "primitive" mind here? Ezekiel wasn't so foggy-brained.

"This is the living creature that I saw under the God of Israel by the river Chebar. And I KNEW that they were the cherubim" (Ezek. 10.20).

"...Professing themselves to be wise they became fools" (Rom. 1.22).

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Intelligent1 Sep 10, 2010

Above the expanse that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sappir stone; and on the likeness of the throne was a likeness as the appearance of a man on it above.
Ezekiel 1: 26.

The latter individual on the large vessel was supervising and coordinating the work of the creators.

Frightened by all this, Ezekiel fell flat on his face before these things, which were so mysterious that they had to have come from no one other than “God”. But one of the creators said to him:

Son of man, stand on your feet, and I will speak with you... hear what I tell you... and eat that which I give you.
Ezekiel 2: 1 and 7-8.

This is an image, like the eating from the tree of science of good and evil. It was intellectual food that he was given. In this case, it was a book:

There was a hand stretched out to me; and behold, a scroll of a book was in it... there was writing on the inside and on the outside.12 Ezekiel2:9-10.

There was writing on both sides, a very surprising thing at that time when usually only one side of parchment was written on.

Then the scroll is “eaten”. This means that Ezekiel absorbed its meaning. What he learned is what you are learning now about humanity’s origins. It was so exciting and comforting that he said:

Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness. Ezekiel 3: 3.

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enid Sep 10, 2010


Apart from the original poster, is anyone taking this garbage seriously?

Me, I'm laughing at the nonsense.

I mean, you have to. Well, I have to, 'cos it's comical.

See you later.

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Koheleth Sep 10, 2010

If you are really serious about this, and I mean *really* serious, please consider the following. No reply needed.

This is a spacecraft taking off, and when the narrator speaks of horses of fire, he is referring to the fire, which was emitted from the blast pipes.

If there was fire emitted from blast pipes, it would have been behind the "chariot", so the analogy breaks down. If an ancient saw a rocket taking off, he would not have likened the trailing combustion to horses, which are out in front.

If you showed certain South American or African tribes people a rocket taking off . . . they would speak of chariots of fire and horses of fire.

I hope you have considered enid's point here. It doesn't look like you have taken to mind that your first post didn't stand up to commentary, so you should leave off further posts on this topic. Not that you are not allowed to post, but since your foundation has crumbled, your entire building goes with it.

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Koheleth Sep 10, 2010

Apart from the original poster, is anyone taking this garbage seriously?

No. I take photographs and video seriously, or at least more seriously than fun little pseudo-scientific tales. I also take historical witness seriously. Ezekiel didn't say he didn't really know what he was talking about. All of his visions are clearly described, whether they were of natural or supernatural objects. Was "the river Chebar" really some type of cosmic superhighway? I don't think so.

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fromtheold Sep 10, 2010

Please be friendly people.

Question, someone 2000 years ago would of seen a airplane, how would they of described it? Would they of said a bird or an airplane?

I've thought about that but I guess we just have to believe the scripture for what it says.

If it says worldwind then we should rather just have faith it was a worldwind until otherwise proved with scriptures.

Just my opinion.

sermonindex Sep 10, 2010

Apart from the original poster, is anyone taking this garbage seriously? Me, I'm laughing at the nonsense. I mean, you have to. Well, I have to, 'cos it's comical.

I see nothing wrong with the original posters ideas. It's no different than what Ezekiel saw. Ezekiel was describing things that his natural mind could not comprehend. We know that God is in the heavens, in space and beyond. If we saw something like that in our day, wouldn't we with our natural mind think the same thing? This is not undermining who God is and what the scriptures say, it's what a man saw and tried to describe to the best of his knowledge what he saw. When John saw a lamb in the midst of the candlesticks as if it were slain, He certainly saw the likeness of a lamb, but Jesus is not an animal. But in the heavens, in the spiritual realm the things there are likenesses and represent something of a different nature on the Earth. When the likeness of that lamb came to the earth He was fashioned after the similitude of a man. It's anyone's guess what the four creatures represent here on Earth.

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JB1968 Sep 11, 2010

Ha Ha

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Yeshuasboy Sep 11, 2010

I have also come to the conclusion that this belief of Elijah being transported in a spacecraft has only been "popularized" in the last 50yrs or so. Read the books of the ancient church historians, the puritans, the epistles of the apostles, the commentaries of hundreds of yrs ago, the ancient writings of Jewish scribes, etc & I can't find any references to spaceships. I think Art Bell used to have guests on his radio show speaking about such things, but I found them to be false teachers.

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