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Women Leaders - Zac Poonen

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StarofG0D Sep 15, 2010

Women Leaders - Zac Poonen

Does God appoint women to be the leaders of His people? God's first choice is always a man –as it says in 1Tim.2:12-14, for two reasons. First of all, because Adam was created first, and Eve was created to be a helper for Adam. Secondly, because Eve was deceived and sinned first. Therefore the Lord says through Paul there: "I do not allow a woman to exercise authority over the man in the church."A woman can lead and teach the children in a Sunday-school class, and women in women's classes. She can also teach her children at home. But she cannot be an elder in the church. That is the perfect will of God. In Isaiah, God says that things are indeed in a pathetic state, when His people are led by women (Isa.3:12).

But what should God do when He finds that all the men in Israel (or in a church) are lazy, sluggish and cowardly! Then God raises up a "Deborah". And through the years, He has raised up many "Deborahs" in Christendom to be His servants - and I want to praise God for every single one of them. God has used women mightily as missionaries and as writers to save souls and to build the body of Christ. When God cannot find a man, He will use a woman – in any ministry. That is what we learn from Deborah.

The promise in the new covenant age is :"I will pour out My Spirit on your sons and your daughters and your sons and on My bondslaves – both men and women – and they will (both) prophesy" (Acts.2:17,18). Philip had four unmarried daughters – all of whom took advantage of that promise of God and prophesied (Acts 21:9). Even though women are not called to be elders or to teach, they can still prophesy ("build up, encourage and comfort" – 1 Cor.14:3) and speak forth God’s word to build up the church 1 Corinthians11:4 is very clear on that.

Deborah was a prophetess (v.4). She was the wife of Lappidoth. I don't know what type of a man Brother Lappidoth was. But he didn't hinder his wife from being a judge. He sat beside her with a meek and quiet spirit and encouraged her in her ministry! Perhaps he helped to look after the children at home too. God could not use Brother Lappidoth, but He could use his wife. Praise God for such brothers.

In the Acts of the Apostles, we read of a couple – Aquila and Priscilla. It appears as though Priscilla knew God and the Scriptures better than her husband Aquila. I say that because in the five times that they are referred to together in the New Testament, four times they are referred to as "Priscilla and Aquila", and not as "Aquila and Priscilla" (Acts 18:18,26; Rom.16:3; 2 Tim.4:19)! The order there has a significance. It is a plain fact that there are many wives who know God and the Scriptures better than their husbands.

Priscilla however was a wonderful sister who knew how to submit to her husband Aquila. When she heard Apollos once in the synagogue and realized that he did not understand the truth fully, she invited him home and sat down with her husband and explained the way of God to Apollos, and thus revolutionized Apollos’ ministry (Acts 18:24-28). She didn't get up in the synagogue and correct him. No. She called him home. That's a beautiful example of a sister who knew her place as a woman, but who had the anointing of God upon her life to bless other men. Apollos finally became a co-worker of the apostle Paul. But the one who set him on the right path first was a woman – Priscilla!

Deborah used to sit under a palm tree and the sons of Israel would come to her for judgment (4:5). Maybe her husband Lappidoth was cooking the food in the kitchen, while she was judging Israel. God had to do it like that, because all the men in Israel were so effeminate. Then she called for the bravest man in Israel – Barak - to lead Israel in battle. She recognized her limitations and knew that, as a woman, she could not go to battle. She needed a man, just like Priscilla needed Aquila.

Deborah told Barak,"Take 10,000 men with you and go and fight against Sisera and the Lord will deliver him into your hand" (4:6,7). That was such a clear and specific prophecy from the Lord. But what does the bravest man in Israel reply. Barak said,"Sister, if you come with me I will go. Please come with me." He was scared to go without her! So Deborah agreed to go with Barak. How effeminate the bravest man in Israel was! And he was typical of all the others. But because Barak was so effeminate, Deborah told him, "The honour of killing Sisera will not come to you. It will go to a woman." Finally, it was a woman, Jael, who killed Sisera (v.22).

There is a lesson here for all men. God is disappointed when He cannot find a man to lead His people. But God's work will not be hindered just because the men fail Him. He will use women instead. God has used many women, through the centuries, in all the continents, to do a tremendous work for Him. God is not limited to men to get His work done.

After Israel was liberated from Sisera, Deborah and Barak sang a song. It is called the "Song of Deborah and Barak."(Chap.5). Verse 16 speaks about the different tribes that came to fight in the battle. And then in verse 23, we read, "Curse Meroz." Why does Meroz have to be cursed? Because they did nothing. They did not commit any sin, but they did nothing. They did not come to the help of the Lord when the enemy was coming.

Maybe you have not committed any sin. But if you don't go out to battle to fight for the Lord, you are sinning. It is a sin to sit back and do nothing, when others are fighting the battles of the Lord. That's not a sin of commission. It's a sin of omission."

There are two types of sins - sins of commission and sins of omission. Sins of commission are those where we do something wrong. Sins of omission are those where we did nothing, when we should have done something. In the parable of the good Samaritan, the priest and the Levite did nothing. Theirs was the sin of Meroz. When there was a need for warriors to fight for the Lord, Meroz did nothing. So when you don’t support the Lord's soldiers and don't go out yourself and fight, you are sinning.

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Wordizlife Sep 15, 2010

Awesome post, sent this article to my pastor.

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nasekom Sep 15, 2010

good article.answered some of my questions.

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ginnyrose Sep 15, 2010

This article comes on the heels of a problem that is rampant in our churches: that of males with so few convictions! The wives will ask them how they should dress and they say it is OK,(but it is not OK)! So, they, grudgingly give in the demands of the[ir] daughter[s]. This is just one way in which males are abdicating their God-given role as leader in the home.

I have been thinking a lot about this issue in recent weeks and then the story of Abigail and Nabal comes to mind. (1Samuel 25) Nabal was a mind with much self-esteem who thought he needed nobody else, was ungrateful, unthank-ful...His wife on the other hand was very observant and understood reality. Acting alone on her instincts, she saved her own life.

Given the situation in the world and church with males refusing to accept their God-given responsibility, more women will have to act like Abigail. (Modern feminism has nothing to do with this mindset - it is a situation where a woman has to act when her husband refuses or is willingly blind to realities.)

Many will say 'pray' but sometimes time is of utmost importance and action is required NOW.

There are two types of sins - sins of commission and sins of omission. Sins of commission are those where we do something wrong. Sins of omission are those where we did nothing, when we should have done something. In the parable of the good Samaritan, the priest and the Levite did nothing.

This sums it up beautifully. (I will need to save this quote to use in our church bulletin.)

ginnyrose

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Renoncer Sep 15, 2010

Brother Zac has it right.
He doesn’t make a rule out of exceptions, neither does he impose undue restrictions; he doesn’t ignore God’s design and purpose, neither does he restrict God’s grace. Moreover, he uses this issue to exhort men to do what they are supposed to do: lead!

Husbands and fathers are supposed to lead their family. In the same way, men are supposed to lead their church family. Both are supposed to be done by the washing with water through the Word. However, we do so not by “lording it over” them; we do so with gentleness, love, and patience. Jesus is the perfect example: meek and mild, though He spoke with chilling authority.

Lord, put a fire in our hearts; get us out of our comfort zones! Forgive us for sinning by complacency or by despotism. Make us strong in Christ and make us meek in Him. Help us to reflect the glory of our Lord, Jesus Christ. Give us grace to run the race with exemplary vigour. In Jesus Name, Amen.

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DHuff Sep 15, 2010

Good post -- thanks for sharing this one!

David

sermonindex Apr 9, 2017

I enjoyed Zac's insights and gracious manner in sharing on this topic.

In the past I was in a thriving church where a relatively new pastor subsequently decided to make his wife a pastor as well. The largest outcry against this came from (ironically) the women. And there was no lack for men of God in that church, so it was not necessary to make her a pastor.

Since that error went unchecked then further error developed when she was "called" to spend nine months of the year apart from her husband as dean of a Bible college several hundred miles away. Again, knowing of the available men of God in that situation I could only shake my head.

Then in attempting to create a relationship between this two year school and a larger Bible university (which offers a 4 year degree) the university required that the dean of the smaller school be male and also hold a doctorate. To "solve" the problem an honorary doctorate was obtained from a "degree mill" school and the dean's initials were used to obscure her gender---and it worked. No good fruit can come from that. Legally, an honorary degree cannot be used for educational purposes; it is simply an honor.

The church then appointed a (godly) woman as an elder (when again there was no paucity of godly men). Sadly, her house is not in order, and a number of her children have rejected the Lord---yet she sits among the elders and deacons. I am not surprised to have heard of the growing money problems of this once affluent and generous church among the other uncorrected problems.

May this serve as a cautionary tale to obey God in His clearly revealed will, as found in the Scriptures and confirmed by the Holy Spirit, or else the problems will be compounded and the blessings He desires to bestow upon us will be hindered.

Kind regards in Christ Jesus,

Alec

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savannah Apr 9, 2017


Where pragmatism rules, the majority excuse!

And the serpent said to the woman...

"You Go Girl!"

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EAGLEFLYING Apr 10, 2017

Excellent post.

This is very encouraging as a women who serves..

This made me think of this sister.. I wouldnt want to meet her in a dark alley (:

Judges 4:21 Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died.

Sister Frannie

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savannah Apr 10, 2017

"...as it says in 1Tim.2:12-14...the Lord says through Paul there: "I do not allow a woman to exercise authority over the man in the church." A woman can lead and teach the children in a Sunday-school class, and women in women's classes."

NO, it does NOT!

1 Tim 2:8-15

Therefore I desire the men in every place to pray, lifting up holy hands, apart from anger and dissension.

Likewise also women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing, but with what is becoming to women, professing the fear of God through good works.

Let a womana learn in quietness, in all submissiveness. 
But I do not permit a woman to teach, nor to use authority over a man, but to be in quietness.For Adam was formed first, then Eve.And Adam was not deceived, but the woman, having been deceived, has come into transgression. But she will be saved through childbearing, if they abide in faith and love and holiness, with self-restraint.

BUT WE ARE TOLD IN THE WORD OF GOD NOT TO ADD TO HIS WORDS!

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BranchinVINE Apr 10, 2017


"…..our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand…..” (2 Pet. 3:15-16).

Paul also wrote:
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Gal. 3:28).


The Lord Jesus had NO problem with the Samaritan woman preaching to the men of Samaria.

"So the woman left her waterpot, and went into the city and said to the men, ‘Come, see a man who told me all the things that I have done; this is not the Christ, is it?’ They went out of the city, and were coming to Him” (John 4:28-30).

"From that city many of the Samaritans believed in Him because of the word of the woman who testified, "He told me all the things that I have done" (John 4:39).


The Lord Jesus instructed Mary Magdalene to ….”’go and tell My brothers, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God.' Mary Magdalene came, announcing to the disciples, "I have seen the Lord," and that He had said these things to her” (John 20:17-18).


The Holy Spirit is the true Teacher.
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you” (John 14:26).


All who obey the Lord’s command to preach the gospel of Christ to all men must also take the stand as John the Baptist did: "I am not the Christ” (John 1:20) ”“ "(John)… came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light” (John 1:8) ”“ "He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me” (John 1:27) ”“ "He must increase, but I must decrease” (John 1:30) (KJV).


And all who hear ANY preacher would be wise to do what the men of Samaria did:

"They went out of the city, and were coming to Him” (John 4:30).
"So when the Samaritans came to Jesus, they were asking Him to stay with them; and He stayed there two days. Many more believed because of His word; and they were saying to the woman, "It is no longer because of what you said that we believe, for we have heard for ourselves and know that this One is indeed the Savior of the world" (John 4:40-42).


"For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; But God has chosen the foolish things of the world that He might shame the wise; and God has chosen the weak things of the world that He might shame the strong; and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, so that no man may boast before God” (1 Cor. 1:26-29)

"Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, OR WHO BECAME HIS COUNSELOR?” (Rom. 11:33-34)


"Not to us, O LORD, not to us, But to Your name give glory Because of Your lovingkindness, because of Your truth” (Ps. 115:1).


"Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to make you stand in the presence of His glory blameless with great joy, to the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.” (Jude 1:24,25)

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savannah Apr 10, 2017


Praise God for His Holy Word!

Jade, God's Word certainly is a light unto our path and a lamp unto our feet. I love His Word, as His Spirit speaks to me through it. So I thank you for the numerous verses you posted.

Yet, as beautiful and wonderful as those verses are, they are not didactic as much as they are historical narrative. If we were to take the historical narrative of the Scriptures as our example of how we are to live and govern ourselves in this world, we'd be in a much sorrier state than we already are.

The subject here is in regards to women leaders. And if God has made some exceptions in the past, that doesn't nullify His Didactic Word which specifically addresses this subject.


1 Timothy 3:5

(but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?),

Titus 1:5,6

For this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, namely, if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion.\t


1 Timothy 2:9-12

Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments, but rather by means of good works, as is proper for women making a claim to godliness.\t
A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness.\tBut I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.\t


1 Timothy 3:1,2

It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do.\tAn overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach.


1 Corinthians 14:34-37

The women are to keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but are to subject themselves, just as the Law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. Was it from you that the word of God first went forth? Or has it come to you only? If anyone thinks he is a prophet or spiritual, let him recognize that the things which I write to you are the Lord's commandment.\t

Exodus 18:21

"Furthermore, you shall select out of all the people able men who fear God, men of truth, those who hate dishonest gain; and you shall place these over them as leaders of thousands, of hundreds, of fifties and of tens.

In 1 Corinthians 14 Paul emphatically states that it's the same now as it was then, when he says, "just as the Law also says."

Gender roles have not changed since the Garden. And these truths are not disparaging to the weaker sex, but are rather a protection to her. The woman of God will bow before Him and worship Him, as she sits at His feet and learns of Him in quietness. She will not be self-willed, desiring to rise above her place, as lucifer did and became satan.

This world has strayed so far from following Him. And those who are called by His Name, who ought to know better, are now partakers of Eve's Feminism. They've failed to take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, and fallen for the subtle and deceptive thoughts of the snake in the garden from so long ago.

DON'T BE DECEIVED!

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BranchinVINE Apr 10, 2017


Savannah,

Thank you for your response.

The sun has long gone to bed in my world here………and so must I.

Will read and respond tomorrow.


"DON’T BE DECEIVED!”

No worries. I have a very Good Shepherd. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for the Lord is with me...... (Psalm 23)


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Lysa Apr 10, 2017

by savannah
This world has strayed so far from following Him. And those who are called by His Name, who ought to know better, are now partakers of Eve's Feminism. They've failed to take every thought captive to the obedience of Christ, and fallen for the subtle and deceptive thoughts of the snake in the garden from so long ago.

Eve was tempted just as we are and have failed but the word says Adam was "with her" when she ate the fruit (KJV). So where is your talk about him?!! They weren't kicked out of the garden though until Adam (the leader of the home) partook of it.

Gen 3:6 ...She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate.

It doesn't say, she beguiled him or lied to him, no he watched her eat it to see if she would die first (haha I added that) and then ate it himself.

All the blame does not fall on Eve alone.

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savannah Apr 11, 2017

Lisa,

If you'd like to start a thread on the subject of, "All the blame does not fall on Eve alone", or something like that, you're more than welcome to. I don't think you'd find any who would not agree with such title.

But you're getting off topic, as the subject of this thread is "Women Leaders."

This thread, nor any other for that matter, is not intended to heap coals of fire upon the sexes, or exonerate them either. When you say, "So where is your talk about him", you make it out to sound like this is an assault upon the female sex, and a justification of the male sex, when indeed there is no such attempt being made to do so.

Because you yourself are a female, I think you are feeling the need to defend your own sex. Both men and women are sinful at heart. There's no argument about that. We certainly can talk about Adam's sin in another thread if you feel the need to. But again, the subject of this thread is, "Women Leaders."

Now, the fact that Eve became a temptress in the account of the fall in Genesis 3 is indisputable. Just as the fact that Adam sinned by listening to his wife, as it says in Genesis 3,is just as much true.

But the sentences meted out to each by God Himself are noteworthy indeed, and has much to do with the subject of this thread.

May every female in the Kingdom of God show herself to be a daughter of Sarah, rather than of Eve.

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savannah Apr 11, 2017


Jade,

Be not deceived!
"Evil companionships corrupt good morals." 1 Corinthians 15:33

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap.
Galatians 6:7

Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9,10

But the people replied, Paul,

"No worries. I have a very Good Shepherd. Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for the Lord is with me."

Paul replied,

Let him that thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.
1 Corinthians 10:12

If a man is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness; each one looking to yourself, lest you too be tempted. Galatians 6:1

I fear that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your minds may be seduced from a complete and pure devotion to Christ. 2 Corinthians 11:3

Wise man say,

Pride precedes a disaster, and an arrogant attitude precedes a fall. Proverbs 16:18

When pride comes, disgrace follows, but with humility comes wisdom.  Proverbs 11:2

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savannah Apr 11, 2017

DOUBLE POST -

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BranchinVINE Apr 11, 2017


I was going to give you a reply but the mood is no longer conducive to an amicable and fruitful discussion so I will not.

God bless you.

sermonindex May 7, 2017

When I read posts like this it makes me realize why don't come on this forum very often.

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