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A Still Small Voice???

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KingJimmy Sep 30, 2010

And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice. (1 Kings 19:12; KJV)

Many have taught over the years, and have used this verse to justify the teaching, that when the Holy Spirit leads us, he does so through a "still small voice." I would just like to ask a question for the purpose of thoughtful discussion: is there any Biblical basis to this assertion? Does this verse truly justify this teaching?

It should be noted, that some major translations, such as the NASB, do not translate this verse with "still small voice." Instead, it renders it "a gentle blowing." Which from my personal study, seems like a perfectly acceptable alternative translation.

What say all you Bible scholars out there?

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KingJimmy Sep 30, 2010

If one were to look at this verse in context, translating the Hebrew to be "still small voice" doesn't seem contextually warranted. For all the phenomenon Elijah had exeprienced in this passage of Scripture had to do with natural phenomenon. Thus:

1) Strong wind
2) Earth Quake
3) Fire
4) Gentle Blowing (instead of "still small voice")

And the emphasis here in the context seems be the "gentle" nature of God vs. that of the violent and dramatic. And if there was a still small voice, how come we aren't told what that still small voice said to Elijah? Yet, just moments later, we are told what the conversation is.

"My sheep know my voice..." seems to be the Biblical mantra. Not "a still small voice."

...just some thoughts...

*edited for content*

sermonindex Sep 30, 2010

I don't know about scholar, but studier yes.

"Still" as in "waiting for."

"Small" as in "beanpole thin."

"Voice" is the word QoL and means "to speak loudly."

Personally with the consideration of the glyphics for the root words, what has come to be realized of this is that God waited for the completion of the (para-)natural tumult, and spoke.

(kind of like when we get silent with all the concerns out of the way in prayer, and then God has room to get a word in edgewise ("small").

God wants our undivided heart's attention.

God speaks quiet to me often, but it's wondered if it isn't in these times that He does not have my full undivided heart's attention.
(It's when every other concern is just dropped or left standing that He is heard most clearly, and His voice to me becomes very moving/active and hardly small at all.)

The above is just one (of how many billion) humans perception. Perhaps others will clarify this further and/or better.

Grace and Peace to you in Jesus Christ,
g

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twayneb Oct 1, 2010

I believe it was some short time after this event that God spoke in a very loud voice and the children of Israel were left quaking in their sandals and asked Moses to ask God not to do that anymore.

God speaks to us in a variety of different ways. Revelation of His word, direct witness in our spirit by the Holy Spirit, spontaneous images or thoughts in our minds, dreams, visions, gifts of the Spirit (words of wisdom, knowledge, or prophecy), or even an audible voice. I have experienced all but the audible voice. The important thing to realize is that God's personal word spoken to us will never be in violation of his written word to us.

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mguldner Oct 1, 2010

I am in complete agreement with Travis on this, God can speak to us in anyway He wants, but what He says will never violate His word of Love.

Where we start to run into problems is when "God speaks" and its in complete contradiction to His word and known character. Anytime I have ever heard God speak to me through the Holy Spirit it has always been pointing me to the obvious truth of His Word. I have only heard what I thought was the audible voice of the Lord once and it was to stop me from commiting suicide and it was most certianly gentle.

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Jeremy221 Oct 1, 2010

Personally, I have found the still small voice to be the most common way the Lord speaks to me. However, the Spirit has spoken much louder when there was a time sensitive issue and I am distracted by something and not walking in the spirit.

On a related note, have any of you noticed a different 'voice' when reading different things? From what I can tell personally, it seems like I can hear the voice of the author, not as an audible voice but the summation of intention and personality. However, with highly edited writing, like newspapers and magazines where there is input from several individuals, it is often muddled or neutral. I think this is related to recognizing the voice of God through reading the Word. Whether we can define the voice spoken to our spirit, the intent and character are evident. The closer we are walking with the Lord, the less there will be in us that is ungodly but familiar to our spirit and/or mind's ear. Familiarity is what can deceive the untrained soul because it does not know God as deep calling to deep. It is still relating in the mind/soul.

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KingJimmy Oct 1, 2010

Thank you all for your input. And while I greatly value the input of others personal experiences, I would like to ask that we keep this about what the Scriptures have to say on the topic-- if anything.

What saith the Scriptures?

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TaylorOtwell Oct 1, 2010

Brother Jimmy,

I believe I have asked the very same question here before.

I think the important thing to perceive here is that the "still small voice" in the Bible was in fact an audible voice. However, those who apply this verse to their own experience today morph the voice into an inaudible voice that "speaks" to them in their heart/mind. I don't believe the Scriptures warrant making that application.

With care in Christ...

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Jeremy221 Oct 1, 2010

Went and reread the passage in 1 Kings 19 and the issue has nothing to do with the volume of the voice. The passage begins with the letter Jezebel sent to Elijah, something that had no physical, audio counterpart. After the Lord tests Elijah, feeds him and sends him forty days to Mount Horeb. Jezebel's letter threatened Elijah's life in the physical sphere from her place of authority with brash and angry language but God, before whom Elijah stands, made him wait and wait still hearing voice of God but not related to that subject. Only after confronting him with all the earthly terrors of the natural world did God speak about this. God was showing Elijah that he knew his God and did not fear the physical world. Then He gave him a mission to anoint two kings and Elisha. Here was God's answer to Jezebel's threat. God reinterated his authority under which Elijah had done all his work. What Elijah had feared was the authority of Jezebel but in the still small voice and subsequent commands God renewed Elijah's sight of that.

Still small voice or roll of thunder, God is not contained by any set presentation. There is something to be said of the authority of the voice rather than the volume. We are warned to be wary of deceiving spirits because the devil can make himself appear as an angel of light but his tongue bears the same fruit from the abundance of his heart. For that reason we must be careful and test the spirits to see if they be of God. The evil one and his angels can also speak in a still small voice and lead us astray.

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philologos Oct 1, 2010

HI Jimmy
thanks for your note

Many have taught over the years, and have used this verse to justify the teaching, that when the Holy Spirit leads us, he does so through a "still small voice." I would just like to ask a question for the purpose of thoughtful discussion: is there any Biblical basis to this assertion? Does this verse truly justify this teaching?
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No I don't believe it does. It would be a very narrow and somewhat shaky foundation to build a doctrine on no matter how it is translated.

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KingJimmy Oct 1, 2010

Good thoughts. Lately, I have listened to several people who talk about listening to the still small voice of the Spirit, and these folks aren't exactly evangelical Christians. At Church one of the pastors is teaching from a Bill Hybles book about the "whisper" of God's voice. As a result of all of this, I started reflecting upon the Scriptures as well as my own experience as a Christian, and after thinking about it, I must say I can't say I really agree that such a description is an accurate Biblical description of God's voice, and hearing it.

Jesus said His sheep would know His voice, and the testimony of Scripture seems to be that His sheep have always recognized His voice. Far from being some almost indiscernable muffle, whenever a person hears from God in the Scriptures it is always a clear and crisp message. And this makes sense, for sheep have an amazing ability to hear. So much so they can tell the bleeting of their offspring apart from other sheep, even in the midst of a large herd.

I don't hear from the Lord too often. But when I do, it's a very powerful experience that captures my attention. And far from being a fuzzy message that I'm unsure on some points as to what He is saying, I've always found His speaking to be very clear and crisp. The "thought" I hear is so loud to me, that I might as well be hearing an audible voice. Indeed, perhaps one could even go so far as to say it is audible, even if nobody else hears it but me.

To me, this seems to be consistent with the testimony of Scripture. As a result, I don't feel fear that I might "miss God" in His speaking should He want to tell me something, or speak through me to another.

Thanks for the feedback. More is welcomed. :-)

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ginnyrose Oct 2, 2010

Jimmy, you wanted scripture to substantial ones position. I have an insight ....

The Scriptures talk much about how the word of the LORD came to this person or another and said....These people had a close walk with the LORD in order to have this kind of communication. How did this happen? Did the individual have anything to do with this closeness? I suspect the hearts' desire of the individual had everything to do with it: "Draw nigh to God and He will draw nigh to you." If these Biblical characters could have such a close walk with God, then this possibility exists for us moderns, including me.

Knowing this to be the reality I now turn to the LORD and ask Him to teach me to recognize his voice when he speaks. When this is a heart felt cry He will answer and we will not be quibbling about what it sounds like nor what form it will take. It is simply a communication of His spirit with mine.

This is where I am presently at in communicating with the LORD. It requires total concentration and willingness to surrender my own logical reasons of the moment. And I am still learning - mostly to submit.

sermonindex Oct 2, 2010

Ginnyrose writes........

""Draw nigh to God and He will draw nigh to you." If these Biblical characters could have such a close walk with God, then this possibility exists for us moderns, including me.

Knowing this to be the reality I now turn to the LORD and ask Him to teach me to recognize his voice when he speaks. When this is a heart felt cry He will answer and we will not be quibbling about what it sounds like nor what form it will take. It is simply a communication of His spirit with mine."

Amen sister, a debate over the volume of God speaking seems quite strange:) I think you hit the nail on the head with the Scripture " Draw nigh to God and He will draw nigh to you." This is certainly about a man or womans walk. This should be a daily walk, walking in the Spirit. If we do not draw close to the Lord we should not expect to hear from, loudly or quietly.........brother Frank

sermonindex Oct 2, 2010

Thanks for posting that Ginnyrose. It spoke a good deal to me.

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Jeremy221 Oct 2, 2010

Great points Ginny and Frank,

I think the other essential belief you need to walk in daily is the expectation that God speaks regularly to His children and has wisdom and guidance for all areas of their lives, even things that may seem inconsequential or contrary to our expectations. This listening is a perpetual condition of waiting with an expectation to hear, it's the natural walking out of the rest of God.

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KingJimmy Oct 2, 2010

I agree Ginny. By drawing near to the Lord and knowing Him we shall in turn know His voice. Thus "My sheep shall KNOW My voice." The emphasis here is on knowing your God, and indeed not on the "volume" as Frank said.

I only bring up the issue of "volume," out of concern that the exhortation of some to search for a still small voice might be misleading, and in my opinion has new age-ish overtones. Indeed, it could take people away from the true knowledge of God, and cause them to think every inward impression or voice is the Lord. For we live in a world where many voices are trying to speak to us.

Which is why we need to be grounded in our knowledge of Him, so we can know His voice.

sermonindex Oct 2, 2010

Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.

The voice of the Lord, the great Shepherd is unmistakable to His sheep. The security of " knowing," Jesus is priceless.........brother Frank

sermonindex Oct 2, 2010

All excellent points!

This will be added as a final note from these quarters.

There is a specific process i have gone through
--(though this was not realized until now, that Hearing His voice clearer is part of the results)--
that have helped here more than all else to recognize His voice, and it has been a process towards this one thing, in that His voice is heard more and more clearly as time passes.

Sidenote:
(It probably will seem strange that me nearing 50, would be so fond of riding bicycle. Yesterday morning, i thought i would take my 'chrome horse' (jk) to work bringing my dog with.
--(He's a Chow/German Shepherd, form looking like a 2/3rds sized Shepherd with traces of Chow(Irish Setter red, his back half with traces of this red brendled. God gave me a beautiful dog. Thank you Lord!)--
Anyway, b4 i went out to the garage, God told me the rear tire was flat but walk it anyway. i looked and it didn't seem flat . . . and i thought to myself, the Lord has never ever decieved me before; but starting out, being low, it went flat in less than one block . . . so i continued then, as instructed.
(Normally, habit is repair it on the spot. Hardly was it known this would lead to opportunity in witnessing about God in my life to the one who would shortly give assistance to this 'poor soul who walked a bicycle with a flat'. )

God cares for us so much, He will tell us what needs be done in every situation. The question is how well will we listen and follow through. ( If not humbly listening for His voice and advising, what we hear seems goes against what is normal for us to do in this world; and we can tend to discount what is told us as the imaginaries).

Anyway, as previously stated in the first post frm here on this thread, i hear His voice regularily, but it has not always been like this.

Ginny Rose's post is what made me consider the things that brought me to this point.

Here they are in a nutshell and though they are the ways in which God is ever drawn nearer towards, these are Biblically specific things that have helped make this come about:

(this is not going to be neatly written as it is all considered one thing by me)

Exercising the senses to discern good from evil
through dropping ALL preconceptions with any other concerns
and on bended knees in prayer,
looking to the scriptures
as our beginning point
towards the very Source and Finality
of our lives in the living.

(Between flooding conscious memory with scripture and comparing everything happening around us to what God has testified in His word, his voice becomes clearer.)

If it were to be innumerated, this is how i might detail it:

1. Fearing God
2. Humble seeking and acknowledging Him in all things thought, said and done
3. Recognizing all scripture as our absolute standard
4. Ever in prayer, worshipping and agreeing with God that He is always right we bind ourselves to Him. (It's called abiding)
5. Applying these 4 things to our outward happenstances,
discernment grows and with it, hearing His voice more clearly more and more all the time.

May the fullest grace and peace be yours
in Jesus Christ,
listening to follow His counsel alone,
gregg

p.s. this being persisted in, even when things might seem to be getting totally out of control, so that we may be ready to throw in the towel and up our hands, He, from the inside outward, comes along side and shows us the way.
Prov. 3.1-12


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