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Coming Out of The Church: The Remnant Heresy

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KingJimmy Oct 2, 2010

There is a movement afoot in Christianity today, and it is one that is gaining some popularity, especially here in North America. It is not by any means a new movement or feature of Christianity. Indeed, it is one that has existed for centuries upon centuries, and in fact, pre-dates Christianity and has origins stretching back sometime after the Jews returned (in part) from their Babylonian exile. The movement may even be older than this. But whatever the case, it’s popularity has ebbed and flowed over the years depending on a number of factors, and is something that can often be hard to trace because of the grass roots and largely (though not always) unorganized expression this movement takes.

Right now I believe we are seeing a rising tide of Christians who have, for various reasons, deliberately chosen to remove themselves from fellowshipping with any intentionally organized local body of believers. Generally speaking, the people in this historical movement have felt that the fundamentals and purity of the faith have been lost by the masses. They don’t believe God is with anything that is going on in the “establishment.” Thus, being unable to feel at home anywhere, in protest they officially withdraw themselves from a larger assembly of believers, and become wanderers in what they feel is a spiritual wilderness, a wilderness which they have chosen to embrace.

Such individuals picking up on various Biblical themes, consider those like themselves to be part of “a remnant” of believers in the last days, who must “come out” of a corrupt Babylonian church system, and wait upon God to revive a larger work to which they can join themselves. Until then, they will find themselves content to walk almost entirely alone, except for sporadic fellowship they experience through the internet and various conferences that they travel to. Many often see themselves as prophetic types of individuals, like an Elijah, who alone is left to take a stand against Ahab and the prophets of Baal.

I must say up front, that I’m very sympathetic to my brethren who are broken-hearted over the state of affairs we see within Christianity today. I too weep with them. Things are just not as they are supposed to be. The gospel that is preached today is often watered down, and has lost its power. Many act as if righteous and holy living is legalism, and immorality abounds, even amongst those in the ministry. Truth is fallen in the streets, and many abhorrent theologies are proclaimed. There are great excesses amongst folks who seek for signs and wonders, yet at the same time, there are people who make no room for the demonstration of the Holy Spirit whatsoever. In all of these things, it just feels as if Jesus Christ is almost entirely forgotten in the Church, and indeed, at times, it feels like He is never even there. Thus, I understand why many are leaving. Everything is just a giant mess.

But at the same time, while being very sympathetic to the legitimate concerns of those in this “remnant” movement, I believe these Christians have perpetuated some falsehoods of their own, and having so focused on the speck of dust in their brothers eye, they have failed to notice the log in their own. They say that they see, but in such a confession, they only make themselves doubly blind. And in their refusal to remain in fellowship with an intentionally organized local group of believers, and calling upon others to “come out” and join them in the wilderness, they ultimately embrace the carnal and fleshly attitude of a schismatic, and in doing so, truly meet the qualifications of the Biblical definition of a heretic.

I know, these are strong words. But I feel compelled to speak in such a way, because I believe the error perpetuated by these individuals, and the intentional division they bring to the body of Christ, to be very great. Their leaving of the local Church comes from a misreading of what the New Testament Church actually looked like in practice, and their dis-fellowshipping of entire local assemblies is altogether without apostolic precedent whatsoever.

Truth be told, if one truly reads the New Testament as it is actually written, although there are some very strong and vibrant Churches that are found in its pages, the fact of the matter is that the early New Testament Church was often a very messy place, and was far from being the romantic utopia many have falsely imagined it to be. Although we read of great preaching, great power, and a great manifest Presence, we also read about many great problems. In fact, almost every single epistle that is found in the New Testament was written to combat and correct many of the great problems that plagued the early Church. And if we look at things today in light of what we have written in the Scriptures, I believe we will discover the problems we face today are really no different than the problems they faced then.

If you read the New Testament for what it really says, you will find that there were Christians then who are just as caught up in error as Christians are now. On the pages of the New Testament you will find that the same errors that abounded then also abound now. Here is just a random sampling of the problems we find in the New Testament Church that we also find today:

* Sexual immorality and unrighteous living, all being done under the banner of grace.
* The prosperity gospel, teaching that godliness is a means of gain.
* Charismatic chaos, along with false apostles, prophets, and teachers.
* Cessationist tendencies that quenched the gifts of the Spirit in public assembly.
* Ascetic legalisms of the worst kind.
* Cold and lifeless Churches.
* Blatant denials of basic Christian teaching.
* Denominational factions and hero worship.

This list could go on and on, and many other ills could be multiplied. Yet for all of these problems that existed in the Church then, never once do we find anybody ever instructed to withdraw their fellowship from an intentionally gathered local assembly of the saints. Not once. What instead do we find? We find the Lord and His apostles instructing the saints to do the hard thing, and work out the difficulties that existed amongst them. Those in error are encouraged to change, and those who refuse to change, after undergoing Biblical Church discipline, we are encouraged to put out from the Church. But never once are we encouraged to abandon the deliberate and frequent intentional assembling of ourselves together with others who have been born again.

Indeed, it is my conviction that in light of these truths, that those who run around saying they are the remnant, and refuse to gather themselves together in a local assembly of believers, truth be told, are just as carnal as the Church they lament and weep over. They are spiritually immature children who refuse to grow up and prefer to have tantrums in their own sand box, which they confuse with a wilderness. Self-absorbed, and being left largely to themselves, the cancerous ideas that have infected their minds eat them alive, and almost entirely consume them. Thus, many of them begin to imagine that they are spiritually mature, and maybe even prophetic voices crying in the wilderness. But truth be told, they are everything except what they imagine themselves to be.

Indeed, far from being spiritually mature and prophetic voices, these individuals have refused to grow up in the Lord by embracing the cross of Jesus Christ in authentic Christian community. Instead of becoming men who embrace the hard realities of doing life together, they run away from the responsibilities the Lord has placed on them, and the calling Christ truly has on their lives. Instead of confronting the issues of their day and in their Christian community, they shy away from doing the real work of the Lord, and prefer to make-believe they are prophets. And because they refuse to embrace this cross of Christian community and undergo death, like many within the “established” Church today, they become just as cold, dead, and powerless in their ministry. And in the ways of God, death always precedes life, as Passover always precedes Pentecost.

So, running from the call of God on their lives to be intentionally involved in a local Christian community, they withdraw from the saints, and imagine they are one of the few people they know in their city that are actually saved and filled with the Spirit of God. They withdraw from local fellowship, and take their precious little light and hide it from others, except maybe those on Facebook, blogs, and forums, where they lament about the glory having departed from the Church, and how they long to see revival. Such are perhaps, some of you.

Truth be told though, if you truly longed to see the glory of God return to the Church, and longed to see revival, you would not forsake the assembling of yourself together with other born again saints in your town. Instead, you would be actively involved. And even if there were no genuine born again Christians for you to fellowship with wherever you may live, if you are truly following the Lord with all your heart, and are in right standing with Him, the weight of the New Testament suggests that if the life of God is truly in you, fruit will eventually follow. So, even if you are the only born again Christian living in a town in America (which seems very unlikely to me), the onus is upon you to establish an authentic Christian community wherever you are at. If you cannot find any Christians to fellowship with, you must make other Christians to fellowship with. Simply put, Christians make other Christians, and Christians form local Churches.

Again, I know the words in this essay are perhaps hard to hear. But, I really feel we live in a crucial time where the truth of these words must be spoken. Some of what I have said may seem a little over the top, and no doubt, I have employed some hyperbolic language in what I have said. But these words were spoken in nothing but absolute love, not only for the Lord, but also for my brethren, and those who believe themselves to belong to an out-of-Church remnant. It is my hope that you will have ears to hear, eyes to see, and a heart that can receive. For I believe this to be the word of the Lord.

From: http://christthinks.com/2010/10/02/coming-out-of-the-church-the-remnant-heresy/

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sojourner7 Oct 2, 2010

Sorry; Jimmy. I believe GOD is
raising up a remnant of believers
who hear HIS Voice, who honor HIS
Name, who rejoice in HIS truth,
who love righteousness more than
life.
GOD has a peculiar people who set
themselves apart from the filth of
this world and the stain of sin!!

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MyVeryHeart Oct 2, 2010

The churches in my hometown have become my cross. For I desperately desire to have fellowship and instead find cursed synagogues of Satan with polluted pulpits intent on crushing the life of Jesus in me. Yet I love them and consider myself unworthy to assemble with them. And I praise God for this place without pasture. On to the next assembly in love.

sermonindex Oct 2, 2010

Jimmy just likes controvesry, sad :)......brother Frank

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mguldner Oct 2, 2010

May I ask you brother Jimmy what does one do if even in a "local church assembly" still feels high and dry and abandoned by brethren?

May I ask also what if one has better fellowship and a deeper relationship by leaving the "local church"?

I don't mean these questions in a critical way but am curious on your input? Anytime I hear someone say "Don't forsake the Assembly!" in order to keep people in their church my heart is broken. Yes don't forsake the Assembly but I would also think Paul would agree with this "Don't starve yourself spiritually in an assembly.

We see many times in history where a small group of people forsook the larger local church and brought about a great movement of God amoung them and amoung the lost.

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Christisking Oct 3, 2010

OUTSTANDING article KingJimmy! I was once, to my own shame, exactly the person you have described. I was in bondage to a judgmental spirit and lacking understanding of grace, love and mercy. I think the best thing to do is to pray for deliverance and understanding for those who have been caught in such a trap - from experience it is truly a terrible place to be.

Wonderful article - I pray that it helps open some eyes and ears of the readers.

Patrick

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KingJimmy Oct 3, 2010


For I desperately desire to have fellowship and instead find cursed synagogues of Satan with polluted pulpits intent on crushing the life of Jesus in me.

If this is true, then step out in faith and start a Church where you are. You are not called to wander in a place without pasture.

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MyVeryHeart Oct 3, 2010

If this is true, then step out in faith and start a Church where you are. You are not called to wander in a place without pasture.

But a place without pasture is where the starving sheep are. I do love the lost sheep of the Israel of God and I will go to Hell for them. I will go after them and pour forth the testimony of Jesus as living water for their parched souls. No man or demon from the pit will stand in my way for the God who is for me is greater than those against me. The gates of hell, shall fall under the mighty two edged sword. The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, Because the LORD has anointed me To bring good news to the afflicted; He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to captives And freedom to prisoners. A light has risen in the darkness and I will not conceal it but will shine forth the love of Jesus. And the Spirit and the Bride say come! All who are thirsty come!

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KingJimmy Oct 3, 2010


I don't mean these questions in a critical way but am curious on your input? Anytime I hear someone say "Don't forsake the Assembly!" in order to keep people in their church my heart is broken. Yes don't forsake the Assembly but I would also think Paul would agree with this "Don't starve yourself spiritually in an assembly.

I'll be glad to give it. Indeed, it is something I have greatly wrestled with over the years. My experience in the Church has been a mixed one. I have seen many evils and awful compromises made. I have seen men of God who I thought were my friends turn out to be my enemies. But at the same time, I have met some of the dearest saints of God, who loved the Lord with all their heart, and loved me just the same.

Too often though, I believe we become disillusioned idealists, who longing with the heart of Christ for a pure and holy bride without spot or wrinkle, simply find it impossible to accept what we have at the present moment. It's much like a man who marries a woman, and waking up one day, realizes the woman he married is not the princess he thought she was before they got married, and now he sees her for who she really is, warts and all.

That happens when you fellowship with Christians in community. God forces you, like in a marriage, to deal with reality. And there is nothing more real than a cross, upon which we are all called to come and lay our lives upon and die. He has given us no utopian Church. Even the Church of Jerusalem, which we greatly celebrate and cherish, had liars, infighting, and "certain men from James."

But God has called us to stick at it, and in patience, forgiving wrong doing, to build up one another in the most holy faith, once and for all delivered to the saints. We are to strengthen the hands of the weak, and help each other become the people God would have us to be. Speaking the truth in love, we are to be iron sharpening iron, as together we seek the glory of God out, and make His name great amongst the nations. That takes a radical love, a love I believe many lack. And because they lack it, they cannot stick it out and commit to one another in this process.

So what is a man to do in a dead and lethargic Church that is full of sin? Stay there. Don't leave. Your food is to do the will of Him who has sent you. In that Christ was nourished, and if we are to ever press on to maturity, that must be what we determine in our hearts as well. For we are ultimately looking unto the Lord to provide us with our daily bread, and what we need to grow.

Do you think our Lord was born into this world spiritually mature? A thousand times no! But He grew in wisdom and grace, and in the knowledge of the Lord, a growth that had nothing to do with what He learned from the teachers of Israel in that day. And so can we, regardless of where our brethren stand in their maturity levels. Indeed, we may even find that our youngest and most spiritually immature may still have a moment of revelation, where they are able to speak into our lives.

Was such not the case at Corinth? Corinth was as carnal and immature as a Christian Church could get. Divorce and remarriage seems to have been the norm. The congregation seemed to approve of a man sleeping with his step-mother. False apostles were welcomed and celebrated in the congregation. And some seemed to think partaking in idolatrous rights was ok. Yet even so, God would use one to prophesy, and another to teach, and another to give a word of wisdom.

I think of one Christian sister I work with. She had departed from her faith for a number of years, and through my witness, the Lord enabled me to bring her back to the faith. She is still sometimes dealing with hangups from the lifestyle she lived in for a while, and she is far from being spiritually mature. And even though 95% of the time, I am ministering to her about an issue, there are still times when, for all her lack of knowledge of even basic issues of the faith, the Lord used her to still minister to me, and expose a sinful attitude in my life that I was holding to without yet realizing it.

Yet this type of woman probably represents the typical Christian in most churches today. Some, which many on here would look down upon, and would want to have no fellowship with. But such persons are not looking upon her as I believe the Lord does, with eyes full of mercy and grace, rejoicing over the work which He has begun in her, and fully intends to complete.

I think what we all need, are eyes to see other Christians as the Lord sees them. And when we do, we will love them even as He loves them. And though we will grieve over the way things are, we will press forward in faith, looking unto the way things can be.

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KingJimmy Oct 3, 2010


I was once, to my own shame, exactly the person you have described.

I was such a person too brother. The person I was talking about in this essay was me. But the Lord opened my eyes to see the error of my ways. Indeed, I remember a day where I woke up one morning, and found out that I actually loved other Christians, and such deeply grieved my heart over the many awful things I had said and done in the name of Christ, and the schismatic spirit that was alive in me.

Can I be so bold as to say that some of you here on SermonIndex.net have yet to find that love? You only love those who are like you, which is why some of you refuse to be a part of a local fellowship. Such is a sad thing. But I will love you and pray for you just the same.

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mguldner Oct 3, 2010

"But God has called us to stick at it, and in patience, forgiving wrong doing, to build up one another in the most holy faith, once and for all delivered to the saints. We are to strengthen the hands of the weak, and help each other become the people God would have us to be. Speaking the truth in love, we are to be iron sharpening iron, as together we seek the glory of God out, and make His name great amongst the nations. That takes a radical love, a love I believe many lack. And because they lack it, they cannot stick it out and commit to one another in this process."

And you call the Remnant believers idealist :) What are your thoughts on Home Fellowships then? Are they in the wrong for leaving the typical Local Church? I ask this because I am trying to get a feel for what your thoughts on the definition of Local Church maybe. If there is going to be any disagreement with you and I it would be in this instance of definition, because I believe one shouldn't "forsake the assembly" as a Lone Ranger type thing but we also have the freedom in Christ to decide which "Assembly" we enteract with.

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StarofG0D Oct 3, 2010

Amen Travis!

Jimmy,
yes the church has it's issues, but "the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it!"

There IS a remnant!

We are not married to the "church." but unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith. The hope of glory. It's only by His mercy that He chooses us to be His bride.

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KingJimmy Oct 3, 2010

I am all for house Churches. No, I don't believe they are wrong to leave a local fellowship and start another. Such is simply Church planting. As long as they are not doing it out of a schismatic spirit, but are looking to simply honor the Lord in establishing a Church plant, I think it's a great idea.

But those who are doing such a thing should really examine themselves to make sure they are doing it with right motives. If their motive is, "I'm mad at my present fellowship, therefore I am starting a house Church," then I believe such persons are in error. If their motive is, "I believe the Lord is calling me to start a new Church," then I say, have at it.

sermonindex Oct 3, 2010

Brother Jimmy,

The real local church may just be the one that is not in the yellow pages. It is not for man to say. God knows the candlesticks in each city. And I don't think you can point to an organization or even a house church and say this is the candlestick in this city. The Lord knoweth them that are his. (from 2 Tim 2:19)

Obviously, God has had a remnant in each generation that does not bow the knee to Baal. That is why there are men of God today that still preach a pure message and don't worry about upsetting people because they may lose some income.

The Lord actually commands us to come out of Babylon.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Rev 18:5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Babylon is not just Rome, Babylon is the entire religious system that opposes God. All you have to do to oppose God is just do your own thing, execute your own agenda. He that is not with me is against me.

Somewhere along the line man said, "Ok Lord, we know how to do this, we'll take it from here". And that is where all the problems come from. From the attitude, "We'll take it from here". Thank you Holy Spirit, but my seminary can teach me everything now.

Psa 127:1 Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

In other words, a "house" can be built that was not built by Him. Are we building a "house", without Him?

Coming out of a system built by man is ok, and even commanded. And let me also say, you can have a religious system right in the middle of your living room. The religious system is in the heart and hearts are in a building whether it be a house or church building or school cafeteria. God commands us to come out of religious Babylon. It opposes God and exalts itself above Him, by taking His place in the lives of His people.

There are precious Saints in some organizations, in fact they are all over the place. Many read their Bible and then feel a disconnect when they hear "preaching" in their church. What they sense is the whole counsel of God is not being preached and followed, especially followed. They usually end up leaving, because they feel like they are withering inside.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Many people leave the "system" because they are grieved, and many are leading lives of quiet desperation because what they want is koinonia but what they get is activities and programs. It is a vicious cycle that many of these organizations find themselves in, too, but they cannot stop or change because it will mean the end of their livelihood. The sheep are paying a tithe and the organization feels that they must create quality programs to keep people motivated and interested and from going down the road to the other church that is marketing itself in a better way. I have seen many of these signs on the road. Just look in the Saturday paper or in the yellow pages to see how these organizations compete with each other for followers. It is absolute insanity to have two churches on the same block across the street from each other, both claiming they love Jesus and yet they never get together with each other. And they actually have animosity against each other.

What the people of God really need, is fellowship and love and care and truth and not having to be fleeced for it.

God has strong words for the religious system. It is not wrong to point out counterfeits, but it is wrong to attack men. Our warfare is not with flesh and blood. But Satan uses flesh and blood to deceive and fleece the Saints and bring them into bondage.

I have seen very few Believers that have "organized" themselves and kept free from using the ministry as a paid profession. Zac Poonen's, CFC India, comes to mind. I think every elder works and that is a very good thing.

The wilderness that some speak of is many times, inside the religious system, not outside it. Like I said, many are dying slow deaths, starving for His life.


Jesus was pushed outside of the camp. The camp in the NT was Jerusalem. Every part of society pushed Him out, and especially the religious camp. Today, the religious camp is pushing Saints out. And the Word even tells us to go outside the camp, because that is where we will find Jesus (Hebrews 13:13). Many people that leave religious institutions suffer reproach but that is ok. Let us go forth therefore unto HIM without the camp, bearing his reproach. Where is He? He is outside the camp. Yes, sadly, Jesus is still outside the camp, outside the religious system. He is not really welcome there. He is just used for people's own ends. What Believers eventually come to realize is that Jesus is not really welcome there.

Heb 13:12 Wherefore Jesus also, that he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
Heb 13:13 Let us go forth therefore unto him without the camp, bearing his reproach.
Heb 13:14 For here have we no continuing city, but we seek one to come.

Jimmy, what is happening today, is being orchestrated by the Holy Spirit. He is calling people out of anything that does not glorify Him, out of anything that does not make Him preeminent, out of everything where the Centrality of Jesus Christ is not reality.

People do need to judge if they are where God wants them to be and we all need to be free from the fear of man so that we can follow the Lord when He calls.

The Word judges Babylon and says many harsh things about her. We can agree with the Word, yet encourage people to get all religious systems out of their heart. In many cases, this even entails leaving a physical location or group of people.

Jer 9:1 Oh that my head were waters, and mine eyes a fountain of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people!
Jer 9:2 Oh that I had in the wilderness a lodging place of wayfaring men; that I might leave my people, and go from them! for they be all adulterers, an assembly of treacherous men.
Jer 9:3 And they bend their tongues like their bow for lies: but they are not valiant for the truth upon the earth; for they proceed from evil to evil, and they know not me, saith the LORD.

Yes, "they know not me, saith the Lord".

Brother, ever since Adam and Eve tried to cover themselves with leaves (their own righteousness), there has been a religious system.

From Genesis to Revelation there is the true Church of God and there is the Synagogue of Satan counterfeiting the Church. We see finally in Revelation what is to become of the false religious system. We just need to make sure it has no place in us.

I reiterate, the religious system can even be in your own living room, not just a church building.

The Word still stands. "Come out of her my people".

Jeremiah 23, Ezekiel 34

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StarofG0D Oct 3, 2010

Psa 127:1 Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

I actually almost posted this exact same verse..Praise the Lord.

May He preserve us from doing this.

"God has strong words for the religious system. It is not wrong to point out counterfeits, 'but it is wrong to attack men.' Our warfare is not with flesh and blood."


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ADisciple Oct 3, 2010

Jimmy said, "But God has called us to stick at it..."

Stick at what, Jimmy?

What about His call to "come out of her, My people..." (Rev. 18.4).

God never ordained the denominatinal system in the first place. I know, He has used it, and He uses men who are in it. Of course He does. His people are there.

But there comes a time when He says loud and clear, "COME OT OF HER MY PEOPLE..."

Come out of her... who? The rebels? The heretics? No. Come out of her MY PEOPLE.

I am all for the assembling together of the saints. But if people would lay that to heart -- that Scripture about not forsaking the assembling of yourselves together, Heb. 10.25 -- they would be leaving the denominational system in droves! That's not what the Holy Spirit means by being assembled together!

I remember once a brother talking about this, and using an illustration from boyhood. He said he used to love building models, cars and planes and so on... and he'd look at the beautiful picture of the model on the box... How beautiful that '57 Chevy looked. But then it would say, "Assembly required."

THAT's true assembling: being fit together so that each individual part is functioning in the capacity the designer had in mind for it when he made it, and so becomes a vital part of a beautiful whole.

Just because you have all those parts together in the box does not mean they are assembled.

Just because you have a hundred or a thousand Christians in a big... "box" does not mean they are assembled.

And that's what's happening in this hour, Jimmy. That's why people are leaving. People are leaving "the box" because they are tired of being isolated RIGHT THERE IN THE BOX, tired of being just jumbled together with a whole bunch of other parts that aren't really fitting together the way the Designer intended. They are feeling unfulfilled, and they are leaving. It's of GOD. He is the one who has put it into the hearts of His people to become ASSEMBLED in beautiful unity... to the praise of His glory.

Sure, at this time we are not seeing that quite yet. The home churches themselves have not yet become assembled the way God has in mind. But they are going to be. More and more as we learn to give the ASSEMBLER His Lordship in our midst, we are going to see a beautiful -- and fearsome -- manifestation of the living CHRIST in the midst of His people... I mean in every single one of them from the least to the greatest.

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ADisciple Oct 3, 2010

I just want to add that when I posted my last entry, I saw Pilgrim's post in which he quoted the same Scripture, "Come out of her my people."

I had not read it before. We must have been writing these two posts at the same time.

And I say Amen to your whole post, Pilgrim.

"In the mouth of two or three witnesses..."

sermonindex Oct 3, 2010

The problem is that people think that going to church on Sunday, singing a few songs, taking up an offering, and listening to one or maybe two people preach week after week after week all in an hour to hour and a half service constitues fellowship.

It might be helpful to define "assembling together" and "fellowship" to see if those who say they have it on their Sunday meetings in fact really do have it. I have a feeling that most people are diluded into thinking what they do every week is fellowship when in all reality it's nothing more than a "service".


(Also, I wanted to say AMEN to your post ADisciple.)

sermonindex Oct 3, 2010

Amen AD amd Pilgrim,

"Jimmy, what is happening today, is being orchestrated by the Holy Spirit. He is calling people out of anything that does not glorify Him, out of anything that does not make Him preeminent, out of everything where the Centrality of Jesus Christ is not reality.

People do need to judge if they are where God wants them to be and we all need to be free from the fear of man so that we can follow the Lord when He calls."

This is the key statement above, what is happening today is being orchestrated by the Holy Spirit, not by men. There is a hungry , thirsty remnant and they will " come out of her." Some people will never understand this, and that's okay. This is no " anti," movement, its a pro, making Jesus the preeminent, movement. Will religious men oppose this? Yes of course. Their job is to protect the status quo.

This is where it is so vital to be able to hear the Lord. If one cannot hear the Lord and be guided by that, then all one has is information, and can only fall back on their own understanding and the understanding of men.......brother Frank

sermonindex Oct 3, 2010

It need to be asked.

Are we looking at others critically and comparing ourselves to them?

Comparing ourselves to others about us indicates legalism within ourselves. It's the quick road in falling from grace. Paul himself says it is really dumb to compare ourselves with ourselves. WE are to always and ever look to Jesus, ". . . who endured the contradiction . . ."

WE too, in the renewal of our minds, are to let this mind be in us which was also in Christ Jesus.

He healed and saved how many thousands while on earth, yet we read that there were only 120 praying when the New Advent of Pentecost blew in.

Just because another seems so wrong in our eyes, what about us compared to Jesus?

There has been another extreme experienced which is also faulty. Those who group themselves off from the rest of Christendom tend to develop a case of ingrown eyeballs, seeing everything myopically, and the rest of the world, as most of them say, is going to hell. . .
WELL, GET OUT THERE AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

We are not recieved by God because of our perfection.
Perfect people don't need a Saviour.
It's the sick that need the doctor.

It has been realized that both groups are doing the very same thing in different ways.

It is one thing to be considered part of something that is not proclaiming the gospel of Jesus Christ, all this talk ABOUT God, and another to be part of a group of followers that is intent on spreading the how and why regarding the good news of the Kingdom of God coming.

Is our intent in manifesting His Faithfulness, irregardless what we ourselves should not dare to think about another human (JUST LIKE US) that God has created IN HIS IMAGE?

Are we, like Jesus, about our Father's business, or does it boil down to the consideration of "what's in it for me?"

IF Jesus has indeed shed His love abroad in our hearts, then faith(fulness) to God will be working through this. WE will be growing further into thinking, walking and talking as Jesus does. As He is, so we are exhorted to remain in this world.

Think about what you think you believe, but in actually merely agree with or only affirm.
Drop everything that is not part of what you do, and get the focus back on the Author and Finisher of our faith(fulness).

Let's fix our attention on Jesus Christ, the one who freely offered His own body and blood so that we will live in Him.

If we ourselves do not keep this as our first emphasis, we are walking away from God and not towards Him. Jesus, is not only our Salvation, but our sanctification and glory.

Don't get off this track or your train, in the best case scenario can come skidding to a halt.
Sadly, the worst case scenario has been seen happen time and again: crash and burn.

It's one thing to be sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that God told you to do something, and another to follow the passions of our emotions and attitudes (aka: LUST). Respectively, the first brings us close with other following sheeple and seperates us FROM THE WORLD (not the true church); the second is idolatry.

Jesus died for us, so that we will in like manner die to our selves and live for Him.

Let's just do this and see the power of God manifest through obedience to His WORD.

The Lord looks for a pure peaceful people who walk in the love of Jesus Christ.

Let's just do it.

Pray. . .
. . . not towards your wants and needs, but in (pro)claiming God's will towards His coming Kingdom. Watch and see just how many things we need are taken care of through this, before we ever have to bother to ask, much less even think about such.

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