A word of prophecy to the church!!! Please read!!!

(This was a word of prophecy spoken at Carmel A/G church in Florida by a pastor. Please read and judge with the Spirit and the Scriptures!!!) September 19,2010

"Prepare yourself for the storm that looms over the horizon, for out of this storm will come a great shaking that will effect the entire earth. Many will run to and fro, they will run here and there out of desperation, despair and confusion in search of answers as to why such catastrophic events are taking place, but this great shaking is the hand of the great God Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth. It is the work of His hand of judgment upon the earth. He will shake every institution on the face of the earth and they shall crumble as powder before Him. The only thing that will not crumble and fall under His mighty hand is His true church, the church of the Lord Jesus Christ, purchased and bought by His blood, and founded upon Him, because He is the only Rock, the only sure foundation that will stand when this terrible shaking takes place. The tragedy is many in the church would not be able to stand during this difficult time because they’ve not been truly and firmly planted on the Rock Christ Jesus, prepare yourself for what is to come."

(Later in the service following this a message in tongues was given and the interpretation was:)

"For I would say to you that I know those who are mine, and yea you have my seal upon your forehead. For I say that you are mine and I hold you in the hollow of my hand . I say to you this day that I have not called you to fear. But I say to you, you must prepare yourself, you must do that that my word has instructed you this night to do. You must prepare your heart, prepare your life, make ready for I say to you this is not a day that is a usual day, this is not the same day that you have lived before. This is a new day and I the Lord thy God am going to do a new thing in the earth, and I am going to show Myself mighty and I am going to show my power in the earth, and I call you this night to prepare yourself that you might be numbered among my elect and sealed by my hand and by my glory, that I might hold you in the time of trouble, that I might be the God to you that I desire to be. I say to you this day that if you will sell yourself wholly to me there is nothing that can pluck you from My hand saith the Lord, but I say to you that if you are not where you should be with me the destruction is coming and you will be touched as well, but that is not my will for you I desire to save you, I desire to protect you, but you must allow me saith the Lord, you must let me by drawing near to me. Let me draw you up closely under my wing saith the Lord, know me as your God and know that I will help you, know that my hand is going to be on you. For I say to you this is a new day and I am doing a new work in the earth for behold the day of my true glory is coming, yea the day of my full glory is coming and the whole world will see me, but first there will come a shaking and I say to you prepare your heart tonight and know that I am your God and I will see you through."

(Please examine this in light of scripture, and examine yourself!)

Here is the link for anyone who would like to hear the whole service.

http://www.carmelassembly.org/indexsermon.php?option=com_sermon&task=playaudiofile&file=http://carmelassembly.s3.amazonaws.com/v_214_9-24-10.mp3&sermonid=24

This resonates with me as being right on.

He that hath an ear let him hear...

This resonates with me as being right on.

Yea, me too! In the message he said he believed it was imminent. I was in the service and it was very stirring, and it goes along with what David Wilkerson has been saying for years.

Your welcome snufalapagus! Please listen to the link if you have the chance!

Thanks Tim for sharing this to the rest of the body.

Heb 1:1,2 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

2 Pet. 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said to me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow-servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Rev 22:18 For I testify to every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book

Mat 11:13-15 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elijah who was to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

2 Tim. 3:16,17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Matt. 16:4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh for a sign; and there shall no sign been to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonah. And he left them, and departed.

1 Cor. 14:22 So then tongues are for a sign, not to those who believe but to unbelievers; but prophesying is not for unbelievers but for those who believe.

Mark 8:38 Whoever therefore shall be ashamed of me, and of my words, in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also will the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

How firm a foundation, ye saints of the Lord,
Is laid for your faith in His excellent Word!
What more can He say than to you He hath said,
You, who unto Jesus for refuge have fled?

http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/h/f/hfirmafo.htm

I reserve any comment upon all of the above.

May His Spirit give understanding of His Word to His people.

Yes sister, but let us not forget what the Word tells us about the gifts.

Act 2:18 \tAnd on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

1Cr 12:10 \tTo another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

1Cr 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

1Cr 14:39 \tWherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Spiritual gifts are given for the edification of the body, and I do believe this is the gift of prophecy in operation, to prepare and edify the body of Christ.

with love,
TimmyJoe

Yea we definitely need to see the gifts of the Spirit in operation in our churches today! Timmy I listened to the sermon on the link. Very Powerful!! He is deff A/G, but God was in that service!!! I would encourage everyone to listen!!

I would add a couple more scriptures for consideration:

1Ti 1:18
(18) This charge I commit to you, my child Timothy, according to the prophecies going before concerning you, that you might war the good warfare by them,

Timothy is charged by Paul to use the personal word of prophecy given concerning him to war a good warfare.

1Co 12:7-11
(7) But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
(8) For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
(9) To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
(10) To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
(11) But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Paul's letter to the Corinthian church is written after John the Baptist's death. He gives them instruction on the gifts of the Spirit, including prophecy and words of wisdom and knowledge. Why is the instruction necessary if these things are no longer in operation in the body? Rhetorical question for consideration of course.

There is no new canon. There is nothing to be added to the written word. However, God still speaks to His people through His Holy Spirit directly as well as indirectly through the gifts of the Spirit. Oh how glad I am for this as I have had both happen to me many times and I was edified, exhorted, blessed, and often corrected this way. Just be sure that every subjective word is compared carefully to the written, objective word. The first must always be in accord with the second.

Just to add my 20 cents worth re the prophecy uttered. It is true we are to judge prophecy for ourselves and determine wether God indeed has spoken - and that by the Holy Ghost!

However, No true christian (armed) with a good knowledge of end-time events spoken by Christ as in matthew 24 and other places (ecetera). Would be surprised by what is coming on the earth in the latter-times! (these are just the beginnig of sorrows) Neither Should he or she for that matter be troubled, frightened, or alarmed by them! Because we are in the KNOW, so-to-speak! we are not of them that sleep! we are the SOBER ones, who discern the signs of the times as they happen! therefore are we at peace with God ( And further to this - GoD has not appointed us the christian - to wrath)! Secondly the prophecy seems to have gone fom prophecy to that of exhorting the listeners, in the latter stage of the (WORD). Did anyone pick-up-on-that?
Not that this invalidtes the utterance - (im not saying that) But to me however, it's a bit of a sticking point and stumbling block. However you might disagree and have an alernate view. ButIm just judging wholly and solely from my own perspective - just as you would - yours, and as requested by paul, and by scripture itself - to do...

A good challenge for the church, but if anyone is reading their Bibles, they would've known all that before...

I'm looking for some clarity. I find the New Testament say that when one speaks in tongues, he is speaking to God (I Cor.14:2) - I have not seen clearly that it is God speaking to men? Being a pastor in a "Pentecostal" church, just some questions - I don't want tradition to weaken Scriptural instruction. Thanks for any Scriptural insight someone might provide.

To be nothing, if not His slave
David

A good word in general, but nothing to "write home about."

I find the New Testament say that when one speaks in tongues, he is speaking to God (I Cor.14:2) - I have not seen clearly that it is God speaking to men? Being a pastor in a "Pentecostal" church, just some questions - I don't want tradition to weaken Scriptural instruction. Thanks for any Scriptural insight someone might provide.

Dab, that is a good question! I too must be careful not to hold tradition above sound scriptural interpretation. So with that said my only explanation would be that Paul places "interpretation of tongues" in the same category as prophecy throughout 1cor. 14. "greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret,". The interpretation of tongues is to be edifying to the body in the same sense that prophesying is.

"he that prophesieth speaketh unto men [to] edification, and exhortation, and comfort. "(1Cor. 14:3)

That is the only way I know to explain it in light of the experience. You might listen to Zac Poonen on spiritual gifts. I think he has some very good stuff on the subject.
Are you saying that you are a Pentecostal pastor?

A good challenge for the church, but if anyone is reading their Bibles, they would've known all that before...

While this is true if the Holy Spirit felt it necessary to share with us I thought it might be worth sharing too. We also have alot of new believers in our church, many that would not be familiar with these things yet. But I understand what you're saying anyone who is walking with Christ will be ready for anything that happens! "The Lord is our Shepherd"!

I'm looking for some clarity. I find the New Testament say that when one speaks in tongues, he is speaking to God (I Cor.14:2) - I have not seen clearly that it is God speaking to men? Being a pastor in a "Pentecostal" church, just some questions - I don't want tradition to weaken Scriptural instruction. Thanks for any Scriptural insight someone might provide.

The first recorded instance of tongues is the day of Pentecost. The tongues were used, not in prayer to God, but in declaration of His wonderful works.

Act 2:11
(11) Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

1 Cor. 12-14 is picked apart. By this I mean phrases are lifted and examined in an attempt to support on view of the gifts of the Spirit or another. The chapters are meant to be read directly and interpreted in the context of all of Paul's letter. An aside note, chapter 13 speaks of the context in which the gifts mentioned in 12 and 14 operate, motivated by God's kind of love.

However, 1 Cor. is pretty clear that tongues and interpretation are equivalent to prophecy. Having been filled with the Holy Spirit more than 20 years ago, and having walked with God ever since, I have experienced many prophecies, tongues, interpretations, words of wisdom, words of knowledge, healings, miracles, etc. I won't despise prophesying (1 Thes. 5:20), but I will test all things and hold fast that which is good.

1Cor. 2 is also a wonderful passage as it explains in great detail why Jesus sent the comforter. Through being filled with the Holy Spirit we can know the deep things, even the hidden things of God. Through this communion with God through the Holy Spirit God gives us His mind in things. We have the mind of Christ. I have had many times when I have had the sense of what God was doing although not a direct word of wisdom, knowledge, prophecy, tongue, or interpretation. It was because I was "tuned in" so to speak to the same Holy Spirit (there is only one) as other spirit filled believers around me. It caused us to act with great unity and harmony in times of prayer ministry or times when different people were standing and giving words that they sensed God was wanting to give. A good example would be a time when I knew three distinct things that a person needed prayer for in the Spirit, but nothing had been said about these needs. Another in the body came to pray for this man and said, "I feel led of the Holy Spirit to pray for you about these three things..." It is simply a matter of being in tune with the Holy Spirit.

The word given should not be expected to be substantially different from scripture if it is a word from the Lord. It could be a reminder to many of things they were not currently receiving from the word due to reading or studying in a different portion of scripture.

Some thoughts to consider.

Thanks for your response, Travis. I appreciate your taking the time. One of the things lacking about this kind of communicating is that it requires a specificity that is sometimes assumed in face-to-face conversations, so I apologize for not being real clear. I guess my question is about the gift of tongues and interpretation as an operation in the assembly. As far as I can tell, there was no "gift" of interpretation operating on the day of Pentecost - "we each hear in our own language...." I understand Paul's reference to the equivalence between the gift of prophecy and the gifts of tongues/interpretation as equivalent in usefulness, but not purpose. I don't know if I've missed something, but every reference Paul makes to tongues in I. Cor. 14 is that it is from man to God:
v.2 "anyone who speaks in tongues does not speak to men but to God";
v. 14 "if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays";
v. 16 "if you are praising God with your spirit";
v. 17 "you may be giving thanks well enough."

I hope I'm not presenting this an attempt to bring the gifts into question. I've been 'Pentecostal' (please pardon my use of a label) in doctrine and experience for 30 years, graduated from a Pentecostal-based college in Tennessee (not that I am esteeming that as some kind of accomplishment for the sake of pride - just a reference to my background, which I pray the Lord will grant me to consider as 'dung'), but I am questioning the 'tradition' of the gift of interpretation as a "Thus saith the Lord" if it is only a tradition. And I apologize if this has been discussed before - I've been following the forums for a couple of years, but have not seen this specific issue addressed. If it has, if someone could please direct me to one of those threads. Thanks again, Travis for your response.

To be nothing, if not His slave
David

David: My great grandfather once went to Mexico. While there he was asked to preach. He did not know any Spanish, not even enough to be able to ask where the restroom was. He rose to preach, I assume with interpreter at ready, and under the power of the Holy Spirit spoke in fluent Spanish. There was not need for an interpretation because the ones for whom the message was intended already understood it. I would assume the same about the day of Pentecost. Although, some understood nothing as they thought the men were drunk. However, it is also possible that what was spoken was in praise to God and not intended as a message to man as it would have been in an assembly. I often pray in tongues and no interpretation is necessary although people around me can hear me. The interpretation is necessary when what is spoken is a message for the assembly, otherwise the entire message would be in vain (very loose paraphrase of Paul's comments).

kingjimmy wrote:
A good word in general, but nothing to "write home about."

A lot of us who study Revelation would probably say what you have said, but to those who don’t, perhaps this was like clear spring water to them!!

I hope you understand my heart here Jimmy but we can discourage younger ones in the Lord when we make comments like that about someone else’s prophesy, it elevates us and tears the others down.

To God be all the glory!

I humbly submit this to you in Jesus name,
Lisa