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sermonindex Nov 10, 2010

Seems like we should start a separate thread on the Biblewheel.

Joshua 5.9:
And the LORD said unto Joshua, This day have I rolled away the reproach of Egypt from off you. Wherefore the name of the place is called Gilgal unto this day

The word Gilgal which means wheel or rolling has a numerical value of 3+30+3+30 = 66. The bible has 66 books.

Gilgal was named for the location where God removed the reproach of Egypt on the 1st passover in the land of Canaan. Of course Christ removed the penalty of our sins on a later passover. The bible is the sword or wheel that hits us when we are convicted of sin and then forgiveness.

Proverbs said that the wise king scatters evil with his wheel.

Pro 20:26 A wise king scattereth the wicked, and bringeth the wheel over them.

The Wheel of the Word? Wow!
http://biblewheel.com

I believe that Richard's web site, is a fantastic Biblical reference tool. I have found specific answers, that I could not find at Strongs Concordance, or similar tools, which Biblewheel.com held the researched answer, fully.

U
UntoBabes Nov 10, 2010

Hey friend, I know that God prefers certain numbers like seven and twelve,...but be careful

The sience of numbers that tries to find significance behind every word is similar to astrology and mystery religion that had its origin in paganism.

sermonindex Nov 10, 2010


Hey Babes,

I hope you visit the site. Numbers are all over the place. Anyone who was trying to make a number mean something that it doesn't mean in this particular scheme, would be well aware what they were doing.

I know exactly what you're concerned about, but you can make a Christian 'horoscope' out of a daily devotional if that's the attitude of your heart.

sermonindex Nov 10, 2010

Yes, I agree and thanks for the warning. But what we are talking about here is not divination or numerology. We are talking about association that comes from looking at the Bible in a multi-dimensional way.

For instance spoke 22 on the Biblewheel, has Isaiah chapters 44 and 66 and the Book of Acts.

When you read
Isaiah 66 (vss. 14-15):

And when ye see this, your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like an herb: and the hand of the LORD shall be known toward his servants, and his indignation toward his enemies. For, behold, THE LORD WILL COME WITH FIRE, and with his chariots LIKE A WHIRLWIND, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with FLAMES OF FIRE.

Now notice how Isaiah's says the Lord will come with FIRE. Now if you will please read with me from ACTS (vs. 2:3)

And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of FIRE, and it sat upon each of them.

Do you see the comparison of fire being used here? Also Isaiah says he will come "like" A WHIRLWIND. Now read with me ACTS 2:2:


And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a RUSHING MIGHTY WIND, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

Do you see the comparison here of a whirlwind and a mighty rushing wind, these two are the same thing? Lets read on even further to understand better. Back to Isaiah 66 (vs. 18):

For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather ALL NATIONS AND TONGUES; and they shall come, and see my glory.

Now read with me back to Acts (vs. 2:5):

And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of EVERY NATION UNDER HEAVEN.

Do you see here where all nations and tongues were gathered? Do you notice the parallel of events that Isaiah prophecied would happen at Jesus's coming being fulfilled on the day of Pentecost? Now back to Isaiah 66 (vs. 19):

And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

So, what you see here is nothing about numbers but rather rolling the bible up on a wheel (hebrew alphabet) and then observing patterns that naturally (supernaturally) fall into place.

What is amazing about this is no one could make this up and no one has changed the natural order of th 66 books.

Good warning and let's keep an eye out for what you are talking about. With all of us looking at this, we can be a check and balance to each other. This has been on the web for over 10 years and all I see are positive testimonies.

U
UntoBabes Nov 10, 2010

But since the original text of Scriptures had no capitalizations, punctuations, or numbers for the chapters or verses because it did not have chapter or verse divisions, but all this is the work of man to make the Bible easy to understand, there goes your science of numbers, with the whirlwind~~~~~~

sermonindex Nov 10, 2010

The Biblewheel does not freak me out, because it is just an aid for Bible study to me. It proves the Protestant Canon was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Will not work at all with the 73 books of the Catholic Bible.

Even the Chapters and verses seem to be inspired from Richard's observations. Remember, there is no manipulation taking place. The Lord seems to be in every detail of writing His Word.

I did not know that Isaiah 66 syncs up with the 66th book of the Bible (Revelation). They happen to be on Cycle 3 of the 22nd spoke. I am just finding things faster than ever before. I am sure someone put this in some big theology book somewhere and this is probably a well known fact, already. But for someone visual like me who doesn't read theology books, it just popped right out.

Isa 66:15 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
Isa 66:16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
Isa 66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.
Isa 66:19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.
Isa 66:20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.
Isa 66:21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

sermonindex Nov 10, 2010

From biblewheel.com
http://www.biblewheel.com/wheel/intro.asp

This is where you want to start. A small excerpt.

The Bible Wheel is a circular presentation of the Bible that I discovered by rolling up the traditional list of the sixty-six books like a scroll on a spindle wheel of twenty-two spokes, corresponding to the twenty-two letters of the Hebrew alphabet. The order of the Hebrew alphabet is established in the alphabetically structured passages of the Old Testament, most notably Psalm 119 that praises God's Word from Aleph to Tav, from beginning to end. This exemplifies how everything in the Bible Wheel is derived from Scripture and Scripture alone.

On May 12, 1995, I completed the first draft of the Bible Wheel shown above. I placed the Hebrew Letters on the outer rim so there would be room to write their names and listed the numerical position of each Book below its name for easy reference. The structure consists of a circular matrix of sixty-six Cells on a Wheel of twenty-two Spokes. The sixty-six Cells form three wheels within the Wheel called Cycles. Each Cycle spans a continuous sequence of twenty-two books as follows:

With the completion of the Bible Wheel, we now have a fully unified view of the whole Bible as a symmetrical, mathematically structured two-dimensional object. The increase from the traditional one-dimensional list of books to the two-dimensional Bible Wheel immediately reveals a host of unanticipated correlations between the three books on each spoke with each other and the corresponding Hebrew Letter.

This is the intro and the first place you want to read to understand what is going on here.

U
UntoBabes Nov 10, 2010

The Biblewheel does not freak me out, because it is just an aid for Bible study to me. It proves the Protestant Canon was inspired by the Holy Spirit. Will not work at all with the 73 books of the Catholic Bible.


Don't say that loud, since Luther " the father of the protestant faith" wanted to take away the Book of Hebrews, 2 Peter, James, Ezekiel, and others from what we know now as the Protastant Canon because they contradicted his view of eternal security and faith alone doctrines.

If he had his wish, you would not have had 66 books.

sermonindex Nov 10, 2010


Hi UntoBabes,

The numbers are 'in' the text, as each Hebrew and Greek letter has a numberical value ALREADY. These have not been added by the webdesigner. All he has done is draw attention to where numbers - sums and products mainly - re-emphasise MEANING which is ALREADY IN THE TEXT.

U
UntoBabes Nov 10, 2010

Alive, all these things do is create a thrill that may begin with healthy motives but it becomes consuming, and a bondage.

For example, many people love to study the Book of Revelation because it gives them the thrill of a mystey story like Star War or something like that.

I study it because I find in it the diety of Christ portrayed, the heavenly city in which righteousness dwells, and the end of a falling world that every true follower of God looks for.

Satan is a crafty serpent that does not mind that our time be consumed on what we think a good cause, but all of a sudden, our prayer life is neglected.


Even as I post here sometimes, I realize that the enemy can use that to take away my time with God.


Anyway, this is my last post on this thread.

God bless you.

sermonindex Nov 10, 2010

Thanks for your concern, UntoBabes. It is just a study aid like any other study aid. It is thrilling for me to read the Bible with or without study aids. This is one of the best I have found. But it is just that, a study aid.

"These results demonstrate yet again the overwhelming power of the Bible Wheel. It truly is the Rosetta Stone of Biblical Hermeneutics. It confirms the canonical Books even as it proves (with the same evidence, no less!) that the apocryphal additions must be excluded."

I would rather get excited about the Bible than ESPN Sports or other such nonsense on TV (Terribly Vulgar). Maybe this will help some men see the wonders of the Word.

It definitely can be used to reach Jewish people and already has been.
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The Bible Wheel reveals the solution to the Synoptic Problem.
http://www.biblewheel.com/canon/SynopticSolution.asp

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And what is the central purpose of the Chronicles? The BibleWheel reveals this.
http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Nun_2Chronicles.asp

Chronicles is a retelling of the story already told in the books of Samuel and the Kings, but from a different standpoint, with new emphases and new aspects, with significant additions and omissions, and supplying completive interpretations. In fact, it is in this repetition, with its characteristic additions and omissions, that the peculiar viewpoint and significance of the Chronicles are perceived; for if we read these "chronicles" side by side with the earlier accounts in Samuel and Kings, we soon begin to notice that the addition and omissions all seem of the same sort, that is, they all seem to conform to one focal purpose. What, then, is the unifying idea running through theses additions and omissions?
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Apocryphal Additions to Esther Refuted
The Meaning of Esther and its Integration with the Bible Wheel

http://www.biblewheel.com/Canon/AddEsther.asp

One of the most significant results derived from the Bible Wheel, which profoundly impacts all aspects of canonical studies, is the synergistic mutual confirmation of the content of Holy Scripture with its geometric form and integration with the Hebrew Alphabet.

The integration of the content of Esther with its position on the Bible Wheel is one of the most astounding examples of God's providential supervision over the formation of the Canon.
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From His Website: Shows me he reveres the Word of God.

Obviously, the aprocryphal additions are the work of mere humans who felt a need to thrust God into the story in which He Himself had clearly chosen to "hide His face." There are many lessons to be learned here. We must never think to "improve" on the Word of God. Many aspects of its design are hidden from us. If we try to "force-fit" anything to conform to our limited human understanding, we most certainly will distort the Work of God.


sermonindex Nov 10, 2010

Satan is a crafty serpent that does not mind that our time be consumed on what we think a good cause, but all of a sudden, our prayer life is neglected.


Even as I post here sometimes, I realize that the enemy can use that to take away my time with God.

You are absolutely right. Point taken.

sermonindex Nov 10, 2010

Well, just had a great prayer time (thanks UntoBabes) and now I am excited to get back to studying the Word..

Definitely, need to keep a balance, don't we?

I am embarking on a study of Ezra, Haggai and James since they all appear on the 15 spoke of the Biblewheel. I want to see why they do and what they have in common. What could God be speaking through this arrangement?

http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Samek_Help.asp

Luther did not like the book of James. His inability to see God's purpose in James was such that he called this great Book 'an epistle of straw'.

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
James 2:14ff (Spoke 15, Cycle 3)


Ezra, Haggai and James all fall on spoke 15 which is the hebrew letter Samek. What do Ezra, Haggai and James all have in common?

The 15th letter of the alphabet is Samek and keywords for Samek are Samak (Support), Sa'ad (Support, Help, Assist, Feed), Sabal (to bear a burden).

The Book of James bears distinctive characteristics that set it apart from all other Books in the New Testament. It is a corrective to potential abuse of the doctrines of Sola Gratia and Sola Fide, that is, that salvation is by grace alone through faith alone. His strong emphasis on the importance of actually doing good works greatly confused Luther who could not reconcile this with Paul's plain teaching that "by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." His inability to see God's purpose in James was such that he called this great Book 'an epistle of straw'.

It seems to me that if James is any kind of straw, it is the straw that should break the back of any camel bearing the load of denied facts testifying to the Divine design of the Bible and its integration with the Hebrew Alphabet. It is here in James, the final Book on Spoke 15, that God reveals the ultimate spiritual significance of Samek in the plainest possible language:

For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed. If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

James 1:23ff

This is the essence of Samek: support for the Body of Christ, the living Temple of God.
http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Samek_Help.asp

Now let's see how Haggai has a part in this.

Lack of Divine Support Due to Sin (HaggaiJames)

Now therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts; Consider your ways. Ye have sown much, and bring in little; ye eat, but ye have not enough; ye drink, but ye are not filled with drink; ye clothe you, but there is none warm; and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes.

Haggai 1:5ff (Spoke 15, Cycle 2)

These passages form an extensive interwoven KeyLink that exemplifies our dependence on Divine support. They both present a sequence of four verbs preceded by a ye followed by the phrase have not or something similar. It is God's desire to give us His full Divine Support in all areas of our lives. Our sin is the only thing stopping us from receiving His abundant Gifts. He has given us His Promise: "Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up" (James 4:10). All of this coheres with the fundamental meaning of Samek as the Symbol of Help and Suppport. This is the Divine Perfection of the Holy Word revealed in the Bible Wheel with such simplicity that all the children of God can see it and rejoice.

......Haggai............................James
Ye have sown much...............Ye lust
and bring in little...................ye have not
ye eat...........................ye kill and desire to have
but he have not enough........and cannot obtain
ye drink...........................ye fight and war
but are not filled with......yet ye have not because ye ask
drink..............................not
Ye clothe you..................Ye ask
but there is none warm..........and receive not
and he that earneth wages..because ye ask amis that ye may
to put it into a bag with.......consume it upon your lusts.
holes.


What about Ezra? He appears on the same spoke.

This opening passage of Ezra defines the primary theme of his whole Book. It begins with a royal decree from the Persian king Cyrus commanding full support for the building of the Temple, including the specific supply of five named commodities (silver, gold, goods, beasts, precious things), in addition to all that was freely offered. And as if this were not enough, Cyrus also ordered his treasurer to return the vessels that belonged in the house of the Lord. In every way, Cyrus fulfilled the symbolic meaning of Samek (Support) with respect to the rebuilding of the Temple. Yet his was only the first of three decrees by Gentile kings that God raised up to supply the needs to rebuild His Temple and His city Jerusalem.

Spoke 15 - Samek - Three Decrees of Support
http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Samek_Support.asp
http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Samek_Ezra.asp

sermonindex Nov 10, 2010

Click on the very center for a quick reference.
http://www.biblewheel.com/BWApp.html

sermonindex Nov 11, 2010

Gen.1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

John 1:5 In him was life;and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Now we can add yet another verse: 1 John 1:5!

1Jn 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

sermonindex Nov 11, 2010

I'm with UntoBabes. It's pure speculation at best, especially considering the Bible is technically 69 books (Psalms is a combination of 5 books and Luke and Acts were originally one).
Now since chapter and verse division didn't even come into play until more than 1000 years after the originals...

Also, the Gospel of John is a Christian Midrash (sorry if you're already sick of that word) account on the book of Genesis, (IE the original creation and now the new creation) which is why the similarities are so close. If you study it out you'll find even more similarities though the verse numbers and chapters won't line up. First century Jews would have picked up on this right away.

Don't get me wrong, it's interesting, but hardly anything to put real stock into.

sermonindex Nov 11, 2010

Yes, but the point is that you are changing things and Richard did not change anything. He is using what we know as the Bible today. This is what makes it more authentic. If someone came around like you and changed the Bible to make it fit, then there would be all kinds of questions and doubts.

What is the probability of even what Richard McGough did with the Bible as delivered to us today?

This has been on the web for over 10 years and he welcomes reasoned and scientific debate on it, but not changing the Bible, because that is not what he did.

So, what is the probability of all of this? How about 1 followed by 92 zeros?
http://www.biblewheel.com/canon/probability_of_the_sevenfold_canon.asp

sermonindex Nov 11, 2010

Oh no, I'm not saying he changed the Bible, bro. I'm just saying even so, I wouldn't be willing to bet the farm on it either. The Bible Code seemed pretty impressive at first too.

I mean, if it got an unbeliever curious about the Bible, and prompted him to read it, I'm sure God can use that any way He pleases.

It's a fascinating thought, of that there's no doubt, but that's where I leave it.

Thanks for posting it though. I had never heard of it before, and even though I'm not on board with it, it still is quite an interesting idea to be certain.

sermonindex Nov 11, 2010

I'm not quite sure what "bet the farm" means. I mean I used various study aids and don't "bet the farm" on them. So, I think I know what you mean. Just like I am not completely on board with Strongs Concordance, Vine's Expository Dictionary of Greek Words, etc, etc. Because they are not perfect, either. Only God's Word is perfect.

If I did not have complete confidence in God's Word, then I would be in bad shape.

Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.

What I have been trying to say is that it is one of the best if not best study aids that I have found that reveals correlations and associations in the Word of God that you would have a very difficult time at best finding by just reading the Word in a linear fashion.

Looking at it in this multi-dimensional way, just reveals what is already in the Bible. Not extra-biblical, but showing what is already in God's Word.

I love how Song of Solomon, Acts and Revelation all show up on spoke 22, Hebrew Letter Tav.

Song of Solomon - Two Lovers - Speaks of the Bride and Bridegroom

Acts - The birth of the Church, Bride.

Revelation - The Bridegroom coming for the Bride

If you think that is incredible read what the Hebrew letter Tav, means.

http://www.biblewheel.com/Wheel/Spokes/Tav_Seal.asp

I will give you a hint: Tav means "mark, sign, cross".

C
ccchhhrrriiisss Nov 11, 2010

Hello...


Seems like we should start a separate thread on the Biblewheel.

The word Gilgal which means wheel or rolling has a numerical value of 3+30+3+30 = 66. The bible has 66 books.

Actually, this isn't accurate. The MODERN Bible has 66 books. However, some of those books were separated/divided by later men. For instance, the books of I and II Samuel were originally one single text (and is still a single text in many Jewish copies of Scripture).

Remember, the Bible wasn't even notated by chapters and verses using our widespread method until 1560. In other words, the term "John 3:16" didn't mean anything to believers before 1560. They knew the passages by what was written...and not by any numeric system.

In addition, the 1611 King James Version contained the books of the Apocrypha -- and continued to contain them until between 1769 to 1826. Moreover, there are portions of Scripture that have been considered Scripture by certain sects that are rejected by others. For instance, certain Protestant Bibles (like the NRSV) contain "Psalm 151" -- and it was a part of the Septuagint, Vulgate and found in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

I think that we should be very careful about taking to heart any mathematical codes regarding numeric verses. After all, the Word of God is exceedingly quick and powerful even WITHOUT such things. We don't need a degree in Mathematics or some "wheel" to understand it. All we need is an open heart that longs to know the Lord.

Of course, I understand that this wasn't the case here.

However, I think that there is a danger because some brothers take such things seriously and to a fault. I have met a few people who almost live by their assumptions from various Bible codes (as if some mathematical number system of letters, verses or chapters could predict the future).

If we aren't careful, this can almost be as horrendous and damaging as that silly OMEGA CODE movie produced by TBN about a Bible Code and predicting the return of Christ. We don't need such things...because we ALREADY know that Jesus is coming back at an hour that we know not.

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