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Death by Disease? Nuclear sickness?...THE PALE HORSE OF REVELATION.

sermonindex Dec 21, 2010

Your ideas or thoughts?

I an now praying and considering the identity of the Pale horse of Revelation 6:8. Consider, that this dynamic alone will kill about 2 BILLION people...about SIX America's!

God prophesied this one. It shall come to pass. "With all of your getting"; Get understanding." the scripture says.

This article suggests that the "Pale" color, [ original greek; chlooros] designates the color of a corpse, and it's greenish, ashen appearance. In agree.

I am leaning towards the Pale horse riding the affect of a massive nuclear attack around the world, and the Radiation sickness that will be in the clouds. water supply, and the air we breathe. 1/4th of all of the earth will succumb to this plague..............BT


Pale Horse...Richard Ritenbaugh.
(From Forerunner Commentary)
Revelation 6:8

Characteristically, the apostle John describes the fourth horse and rider using a paucity of verbiage: The horse is "pale," the rider's name is "Death," and "Hades" follows him. This is the extent of the biblical description, yet even so, these provide us with sufficient clues to deduce a cogent interpretation.

First, the horse's coat is a unique and otherworldly pale. The Greek word is chlooros, which we recognize as the origin of such English words as "chlorine," "chloroform," and "chlorophyll." It technically refers to a greenish-yellow color found in nature in the pale green of just-sprouted grass or new leaves (see Mark 6:39; Revelation 8:7; 9:4; these are chlooros' only other occurrences in the New Testament).

Secular Greek writers, however, did not confine chlooros just to sprouting plants. In The Iliad, Homer describes fearful men's faces with this term, suggesting a pallid, ashen color, and in other instances, it is the pale golden color of honey or the gray bark of an olive tree. Sophocles writes that it is the color of sand, while Thucydides applies it to the skin color of those suffering from plague.

It is this last description that is probably John's intended meaning; the color of the horse reminded him of the pale, greenish-gray color of a corpse or decaying flesh.

The Phillips translation renders chlooros as "sickly green in color"; the New English and the Revised English Bibles, as "sickly pale"; the New Jerusalem Bible, as "deathly pale"; and the New Living Translation, as "pale green like a corpse." The fourth horse sports a coat only producers of horror movies would love!

Upon the back of this gruesome beast sits one whose name is "Death." This is another unique feature of this horseman, as none of the others receives a name. The Greek word is the normal word for "death," thánatos, suggesting on the surface a generic application of the term. However, this would be jumping to a conclusion, for the term is probably meant to be understood more specifically as "pestilence" or "disease."

The evidence for this meaning here derives primarily from the Greek translation of the Old Testament called the Septuagint. In several places, the Septuagint translators rendered the Hebrew word deber, meaning "pestilence" or "disease," as thánatos.

For instance, in Exodus 5:3, Moses and Aaron tell Pharaoh, "Please let us go three days' journey into the desert and sacrifice to the LORD our God, lest He fall upon us with pestilence [Hebrew deber; Greek thánatos] or with the sword."

This combination of translations also occurs in the fifth plague, that of the murrain or cattle disease: God tells Moses to inform Pharaoh, "There will be a very severe pestilence" (Exodus 9:3; see also verse 15). In a later instance, God warns Judah through Jeremiah, "I will send . . . pestilence among them, till they are consumed from the land that I gave to them and their fathers" (Jeremiah 24:10).

The most convincing piece of evidence for thánatos meaning "pestilence" in this passage comes from the mouth of our Savior in the Olivet Prophecy, as He describes the events leading up to His return.

He prophesies to His disciples, "And there will be famines [third seal or horseman], pestilences [fourth seal or horseman], and earthquakes in various places" (Matthew 24:7).

He does not use thánatos but loimós, which literally means "pestilence" or "disease." Once Jesus Himself weighs in, there is no argument. The pale rider brings death by disease.

Richard T. Ritenbaugh
The Four Horsemen (Part Five): The Pale Horse
"BIBLE TOOLS"...internet

Read more: http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/6848/Pale-Horse.htm#ixzz18kxvFol8

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MrBillPro Dec 21, 2010

People who turn to Revelation for prophetic wisdom are usually either trying to scare money out of others or are grasping for answers using occult methods.

Are you certain that Revelation is prophetic for our future and not for the nearer future of the first century Christians, warning them about Rome? Keep in mind that first century Christians believed that Christ would return in their own lifetime. So, would John really prophesize any further into the future then the life span of his contemporary audience?

sermonindex Dec 22, 2010

"Are you certain that Revelation is prophetic for our future and not for the nearer future of the first century Christians, warning them about Rome?

Keep in mind that first century Christians believed that Christ would return in their own lifetime. So, would John really prophesize any further into the future then the life span of his contemporary audience? "Mr.BillPro

Well....the return of Christ is in that prophecy. It could be MrBillPro that you and I have been left behind, though.

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ginnyrose Dec 22, 2010

I do not doubt for one minute that there will be pestilences unleashed upon this earth as a form of judgement by God.

As I read Revelation the sense I get is that there will be terrible things happening but that God has it all under control; that God is using natural means to destroy people's sense of security in what they perceive as stable be it nature, governments, financial institutions or wealth.

There are people who believe man can bring in the millennium through diplomacy (HELLO!!!). In doing so the Christian will be short shifted, ignored or silenced because he/she will be considered to be the greatest hindrance to this peace-making process.

When one reads the news today it is almost like reading a fulfillment of certain segments of Revelation. What used to be unfathomable seems very possible today, given modern technology. I just read this week of a virus that is coming out of Africa that is so deadly that has medical experts very concern. Yes, the world is deteriorating, not getting better.

(If one is interested in knowing how bad man has messed up the land/farming, just read "Acres,USA". I know they are secular, not Christian. They are among the voices that cry out against GMO seeds among other poisons that enter the food chain.)

I do not know exactly the time table for all these events but to me it is not important. What is important, extremely important, is that I know things will get worse, but that God is in control. This is everything. This knowledge feeds hope and in it there is a joy because we know the end is getting closer. Let's just be ready.

My understanding...

ginnyrose

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MrBillPro Dec 22, 2010

ginny, my belief is, there all ready has been a pestilence released, and its called Man.

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ginnyrose Dec 23, 2010

ginny, my belief is, there all ready has been a pestilence released, and its called Man.

'Man' as in male or as in humans? or, as in your kid brother who always gets into your things? :-)

ginnyrose

sermonindex Dec 23, 2010

thanatos = ((being) the very likeness of/in/as) death

sermonindex Dec 23, 2010

"He does not use thánatos but loimós, which literally means "pestilence" or "disease." Once Jesus Himself weighs in, there is no argument. The pale rider brings death by disease."
[Ritenbaugh.]

Faith overcomes all things, including death by plague.In our lifetime, we will be called to deal with such a trial, encompassing Billions. We will learn about the meaning of "LAYING ON OF HANDS..", and the "GIFT OF HEALING",

.....AND THE CHURCH WILL BE THE only ANSWER FOR A SUFFERING AND CONFUSED WORLD.

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fromtheold Dec 23, 2010

"Are you certain that Revelation is prophetic for our future and not for the nearer future of the first century Christians, warning them about Rome? Keep in mind that first century Christians believed that Christ would return in their own lifetime. So, would John really prophesize any further into the future then the life span of his contemporary audience? "Mr.BillPro Well....the return of Christ is in that prophecy. It could be MrBillPro that you and I have been left behind, though.

I doubt that. The book of Revelation was written in around 100AD (if i'm correct). That means the early church was already being persecuted.

Every generation believes Christ will return in our life time. It is scriptural to do that.

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Miccah Dec 23, 2010

Brothertom wrote:

Well....the return of Christ is in that prophecy. It could be MrBillPro that you and I have been left behind, though.

Very true. We would all have been left behind.

Also, if Christ came, and established His Kingdom for 1000 years, wouldn't we be now living in the post 1000 yeat period?

Yea, I agree with BT. Blessings :-P

sermonindex Dec 23, 2010

by Brothertom on 2010/12/22 21:30:21

"He does not use thánatos but loimós, which literally means "pestilence" or "disease." Once Jesus Himself weighs in, there is no argument. The pale rider brings death by disease."
[Ritenbaugh.]

Faith overcomes all things, including death by plague.In our lifetime, we will be called to deal with such a trial, encompassing Billions. We will learn about the meaning of "LAYING ON OF HANDS..", and the "GIFT OF HEALING",

.....AND THE CHURCH WILL BE THE only ANSWER FOR A SUFFERING AND CONFUSED WORLD.

AMEN to that;but it's wondered. . .well, guess that will be kept unsaid.

AMEN!

It is hoped your response was in regards to the post from here defining thanatos?

hat word is usually used as an adjective or verb.
Here it is a noun, as the comment above of Rittenbaugh's indirectly allude.

The more the 4 horsemen are studied, it appears that the horsemen themselves represent the end result, and what happens in the description surrounding them is cumulative and progressive.


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gregg

sermonindex Dec 23, 2010

"The more the 4 horsemen are studied, it appears that the horsemen themselves represent the end result, and what happens in the description surrounding them is cumulative and progressive." ................Planetheus [Gregg]

Yes. Logically, the Horsemen are not stuck in time, like statues in the square, but are riding through time. The White horse is described as the "Rider rode out" to conquer. Obviously denoting movement, traveling as he rides.

This can only be time, and surely time is progressive, and the event must begin at some time....thereby depicting "progressive".

1.]I believe that The white horse is Mohammedanism, or Islam, that began with the Muslim prophet in the mid 7th century.

2.]I believe that the Red Horse is Communism, that began it's ride at the beginning of the 19th century at the bloody guillotines of France as the Monarchy was laid to rest, morphing through Engels and Marx to Stalin and Mao...RESPONSIBLE FOR OVER 100 MILLION LIVES LOST AS THEY SLAYED THEIR OWN COUNTRYMEN FOR POWER.[more than all wars in two centuries..]

3.]The black horse is connected to One World New age government, and Ecumenism; where every faith leads to God. It also has immense political sway, affecting Nations. It is embedded in the concept of "We are the World..", and far left leanings like Greenpeace and "Global Warming".

I'm not sure when this began, but you do not hear a lot about it before 1800.


4.] The pale horse , as described in this article, is DEATH Riding on Disease, coupled with War..[he also has a sword..], and whatever the "Wild Beasts" are that help kill 2 BILLION folks.[That,s SIX Americas].....[ I speculate , though somewhat by faith. Only God holds the complete judgment video.]


We must remember that these are GOD'S judgments, His Horses and Riders, at HIS bequest, carrying out HIS Will and DESIRE. This is simply a picture of how the Lord of Hosts..[JESUS!] has chosen to judge a hateful and rebellious World showing His anger and Power.

There are no real horses and riders. These are MOVEMENTS, and each of them is but a prophetic description to the mere mortal so that when these things occur, we will know, and be encouraged to ENDURE, as we trust that God is behind it all.

In the end, Satan's plan, as I see it, is a CONVERGENCE. A coming together of the spirit of anti-Christ to set up his throne within all mankind.

[He was obsessed with this Original Sin from the beginning, and yet....and will be..until the return of Jesus. "Can a leopard change his spots?"]

It's God's devil, and Jesus gave him power over every nation, tribe and tongue....to test those upon the Earth.
Out of the "Tribulation"...where most of this converges, there will arise great faith, and great purity...for

THE BRIDE HAS MADE HERSELF READY. The Father will also have His convergence, of every saint from Adam on...all the Old World, and the redeemed from Israel and Moses!!! and every true born again believer in the Lord Jesus....even to those who call upon His name!

Then the Four Horsemen shall be remembered no more; neither shall any of the "Former Things."

sermonindex Dec 24, 2010

4.] The pale horse , as described in this article, is DEATH Riding on Disease, coupled with War..[he also has a sword..], and whatever the "Wild Beasts" are that help kill 2 BILLION folks.[That,s SIX Americas].....[ I speculate , though somewhat by faith. Only God holds the complete judgment video.]...BT..

I got to thinking about "The Wild beasts" that kill following the "Pale Horse", and thought of the Black Plague that decimated Europe....Hantavirus.

Mice and rats; Wild beasts. Also some suspect that AIDS originated in Africa with monkey blood...., and there is the Avian Flu..[birds] and the Swine flu. All wild animals...

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