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Things God the Father Can NOT do.

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UntoBabes Dec 23, 2010

Many have said that the only thing that God the Father can not do is that He can not sin, or as the scripture says "can not lie"* Tit 1:2. Other than that, in terms of ability, of course God can do anything. After all, if God can not do things, Who can? Whoever this being is will have to be God instead.

The fact is there are many things that God the Father can not do, not because He is restrained by anything outside of Himself, but exactly the opposite, His very nature is His own restraint. Please ponder on these following examples of things God can not do, only because He is God.

(1) God the Father can not co-exist with; or look upon sin. Not only that; but any space or matter that He sanctifies for His own purpose can not be touched by sin. We know of such cases of people who did not heed this awful truth; and what the consequences were. The ark of the covenant in the land of the Philistines (1Sam 5), Uzzah (2Sam 6:6-9), Achan (Josh 7:1, 25-26), Acts 5:1-11), The church of Corinth (1Cor5:4-5), (1Cor 3:16-17).These are few examples that I can think of. In such cases God has to depart or strike.

(2) God the Father can not be humble; taking humility here to mean to not be completely wrapped around and absorbed in one's own self. God the Father can not give any reverence, submit to, fall in adoration with anything or anyone other than Himself. The Scriptures tell us that He loves to reside with the humble( Is 57:15 ), but that is different from being humble. In our human understanding, Humble people are those who associate with those of low status. How then does God loves to dwell with the humble, yet not be humble Himself. The answer is found in the fact that God is God, and we are not. We aught to be humble because we are created. To not be humble for a created being is a grievous sin, even if that being is created perfect ( Ez 28:12b-17) He has no reason to glory in self, but only in his creator. On the other hand if God glories in anything other that Himself, then this thing deserves to be God. How then can God take care of His creation if He is utterly wrapped around Himself? God can do that with perfect ease due to His infinite nature.

(3) God the Father can not be seen. The scriptures tell us that none had ever seen the Father, nor anyone can ever see Him, (1Tim 6:16), now and for eternity except for the persons of the Trinity. In (Is 6:2) we are told that the Seraphim have six wings, with two they cover their faces. They serve a being that they can never take a glimpse at, lest they be consumed.

(4) God the Father can not die, since he has no body nor is there any physical aspect to Him.

(5) GOD the Father can not deny Himself 2 Tim 2:13.


(6) God the Father can not change. This is a critical point because it is commonly understood to mean that God can not change the way He does things.** While it is true that God is unchangeable, we see clearly form His Word that He has many times changed the way He did things, not because His wisdom or knowledge were lacking in any way, but simply because He wants to reveal to His finite creation all of His attributes, and not focus on some without the others. In this we see how by focusing on some of God's attributes such as His mercy, love, longsuffering, etc...more than others. It robs Him of His glory, and of course the opposite is true as well.

These are few of the things I can think of that God can never do, you may add to that the fact that God can not do anything that is contrary to His nature. Example:God the Father is a spirit means He can not have a body, faithful means He can not promise and not fulfill, Just means he can not do injustice, love what is good and hates what is evil, etc...

But that does not mean that God the Father has not found means to declare His person to His creation. Here we find the necessity of the person of our Lord Jesus. He humbled Himself, took on human flesh, went under the power of death (Phil 2:7-8) , made Himself sin (2Cor 5:21), ate with and touched sinners (Matt 9:11), yet without sin ( Heb4:15). In these things although the Son Is equal to the Father In His essence(inner makeup,or deity) (Jon 14:9-11), Yet He may also say to the same disciples in the same chapter "The Father is greater than I " (Jon 14:28), also see (1Cor15:28). This is a mystery, how the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit are one in essence, but at the same time distinct in their person. In that way we may say that the Son can do things the Father can not. It is not a matter of having more ability, but rather flexibility, because of His human nature.

The main point of this is to show the importance of actual sanctification in order to have communion with the Father through His Holy Spirit, esp point (1), or even to abide in Christ since He is now in His glorified state. You may say that there are two manifestations to Christ. The one who lived on earth 2000 years ago( this Christ is no more), and the one to come is described in ( Rev 1:13-18, 14:14-16, 19:11-16).

* Please note that God calls things that do not exist as if they do exist. ( Rom 4:17b), because of His infinite power and foreknowledge. So if God says that an army of hosts is camping outside, we better believe Him even if reason and our senses prove the opposite.

** In the story of Noah, God regretted that he destroyed the ancient world with flood, and promised that He will not ever destroy the world with flood again. If God had to do it all over again, He will still destroy the ancient world with flood, and promises not to do it again. Also in (1 Cor10:1-11), the children of Israel might have reasoned that if God is unchangeable, He can not destroy them after He redeemed them out of Egypt with a mighty arm, fed and cared for them in the wilderness. The answer to that resides in point (1).

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boG Dec 24, 2010

Your attempt to reason with Scripture is commendable but you have made several errors in your conclusions.

(1) God the Father can not co-exist with; or look upon sin. Not only that; but any space or matter that He sanctifies for His own purpose can not be touched by sin.

This is a confusion of the context of natures. God is omnipresent, or everywhere present. This does not mean that God permeates all physical space; such as a Materialist (ex. Mormon theologian) might say. Furthermore, consider the first chapters of Job when Satan presented himself before the throne of God in heaven among the angels. God is also ever-present in Hell despite popular opinion: Hell is the absence of God's comfortable presence (and not His actual presence). So the very idea that God is somehow incapable of being located near to sin or sinners is absurd (see also Acts 17:27).


(2) God the Father can not be humble; taking humility here to mean to not be completely wrapped around and absorbed in one's own self. God the Father can not give any reverence, submit to, fall in adoration with anything or anyone other than Himself.

This is a confusion of a proper perspective on the Trinity. To rephrase what you have said here in plain words: God is prideful. The very notion is disgusting. Although, as this is not the first time I have heard this sentiment, I also recognize you are not likely intending to slander God's character. Rather you are wrongly equivocating on the definition of some words; namely, on your definition of "humble." According to 1 Cor. 13 we learn Love "does not seek its own." Therefore, likewise, God does not seek His own. Now this would be problematic if God were as the Jews or non-Trinitarians or Modalists claim. Common language adds to this confusion as the term "God" can often refer to either (1) the Father or (2) the Trinity. However, since it is the joy of the Father to magnify and glorify the Son, and the Son's to honor the Father, and the Spirit exalts and shares in their love; so your definition of God's humility ought to conform to the Father's relation within the Nature of the Trinity. God is not selfish because God is not one-self but is Trinity.


(3) God the Father can not be seen.

Again, you are confusing the context of natures. The word translated as "see" and "seen" (it is the same word twice) in 1 Timothy 6:16 has several possible meanings. It can either refer "to see" as one might (a) perceive with the eyes or (b) perceive by any of the senses. However, it may also mean "to know" as (a) to know of anything or (b) to get knowledge of, understand, perceive. In other words, the God who dwells in unapproachable light is beyond finding out and all creaturely comprehension. While I do not deny that the Father is likely imperceptible in the first sense (as some may argue that only the Son has ever been truly seen with the eyes in either heaven or earth) yet I am inclined to think, at the least, 1 Timothy 6:16 is not referring to the power of bodily sight in perceiving and discerning the Father.


(4) God the Father can not die, since he has no body nor is there any physical aspect to Him.

Your conclusion: God the Father can not die; is true. However, your premise "since he has no body nor is there any physical aspect to Him" is false. God the Father cannot die because He is without sin. Even if you are only referring to the natural death of the body then your premise still does not stand. And so it is that we also recognize that Adam and Eve were not condemned to die in their bodies until they transgressed.


(5) GOD the Father can not deny Himself 2 Tim 2:13.

True.


(6) God the Father can not change. This is a critical point because it is commonly understood to mean that God can not change the way He does things.**

Perhaps after the holidays when I have more time I will come back and address this issue. Not to say there is anything explicitly false in what you have said here but perhaps I might add something to it.


(7) These are few of the things I can think of that God can never do, you may add to that the fact that God can not do anything that is contrary to His nature. Example: God the Father is a spirit means He can not have a body, faithful means He can not promise and not fulfill [...]

(a) God the Father is a spirit means He can not have a body.

The fact that the Father does not take on a physical manifestation does not therefore imply it is impossible for a Spiritual Being to do so. The only meaning we can draw from this is that the nature of Spirit is fundamentally different from the nature of Physical; or again, that Spirit is not a physical or material substance according to the nature of human senses but is rather non-physical and immaterial, and thus, non-sensible.

(b) God is faithful means He can not promise and not fulfill.

There are several instances in the Scriptures where God declared "I will" and did not. This is the part I would like to add to the above mentioned (6).

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boG Dec 24, 2010

It may also be added that God cannot bend or break the Laws of Non-Contradiction. For example, God cannot create a square circle or a married bachelor.

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mguldner Dec 24, 2010

"(2) God the Father can not be humble; taking humility here to mean to not be completely wrapped around and absorbed in one's own self. God the Father can not give any reverence, submit to, fall in adoration with anything or anyone other than Himself. The Scriptures tell us that He loves to reside with the humble( Is 57:15 ), but that is different from being humble."

Jesus Christ (The Son) and God (The Father) are inseperable in nature and distinction. Christ was completely humbled by coming to the Earth and God the Father will display humility when He gives His rights as Judge to Christ Jesus His Beloved Son.

The mystery of the Trinity is just this thing, we MUST understand that Christ came operating in accord with the Father meaning Christ displayed everything the Father is. Looking at the Beattitudes we must understand this is how the Kingdom of Heaven operates and is the very essense of God the Son and God the Father.

*Edited for Grammer*

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UntoBabes Dec 24, 2010

(1) God the Father can not co-exist with; or look upon sin. Not only that; but any space or matter that He sanctifies for His own purpose can not be touched by sin.


Using only the Scriptures as witness, we see there is something about the nearness of God that is frightening to the unsanctified man.

When Moses was in the mountain with God, he was given sever instructions to give to the people.

No one was to come near the mountain, if beast or a man touched the mountain, they were to be killed.
How were they killed? They couldn't be killed with a knife or any method that would allow for contact. They were to be stoned or thrust through with a dart. Any one who touched them was to be put to death as well.

there are countless accounts in the Scriptures that affirm that aspect of the nature of God. While He is omniprescence fills all space and matter, He does not co-exsist with sin as prescribed above.

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UntoBabes Dec 24, 2010

(2) God the Father can not be humble; taking humility here to mean to not be completely wrapped around and absorbed in one's own self. God the Father can not give any reverence, submit to, fall in adoration with anything or anyone other than Himself.


I have restricted what I meant by humility here to mean " God can not share His glory with any of (((His CREATION)))".

I did not mean that He did not share His glory within the trinity. God is one. God the Father, the Lord Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all one.

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UntoBabes Dec 24, 2010

(3) God the Father can not be seen. The scriptures tell us that none had ever seen the Father, nor anyone can ever see Him, (1Tim 6:16), now and for eternity except for the persons of the Trinity. In (Is 6:2) we are told that the Seraphim have six wings, with two they cover their faces. They serve a being that they can never take a glimpse at, lest they be consumed.


I used the phrase " can not be seen " in the same sense Paul uses it in 1Tim 6:16.

Who alone hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom [be] honour and power everlasting. Amen.

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mguldner Dec 24, 2010

"I have restricted what I meant by humility here to mean " God can not share His glory with any of (((His CREATION)))"."

The Father and the Son are inseperable as already stated when Christ Jesus The Son came to the Earth He set aside His Glory and ministered to and became Lower than least of the Earth.

I believe God is the very example of Humility we have to look upon in fact His Nature is Humility at the same time Glorious. Christ will share His throne with the Saints when we reach heaven sharing His inheritance for we are Coheirs with Christ Jesus. God the Father and Son are Infinitely Glorious but at the same Time Infinitely Humble.

Perhaps I can explain better with Math :) the definition of a Line is a point that Goes Infinitely in One direction while also going infinitely in the opposite direction. This is Our God He infinitely is Humble and Infinitely Glorious. This isn't a contradition of Nature but a very balanced nature of Our Saviour.

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