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calvinism and armianism as 'models' of prediction and interpretation

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looserchapel Feb 28, 2011


I have been around this site since 2009, i've downloaded most of the 'must read' 'must listen' and 'must see'. I've hanged around this forum and I always wondered whether i should subscribe and post.Well, I have discovered a couple of weeks ago that the 'body of Christ' is hugely divided when it comes to Soteriology.

My aim is not to raise up another useless and harmful debate, I rather want to share the "compromise" i found between 'die hard calvinism' and 'die hard armianism'. Well, my postulate (since i have yet to support the same rigorously with verses) is that:

1- Calvinism REALLY REALLY fits when it comes to explain the "elects", "the christians" progress, i won't recall the verses about, we all know about them...
Yet, it fails to give consistent and rigorous answer when we point out the "backsliders" (it often have to tweak verses that plainly state such has depart from faith, etc.)...
example: check out the TULIP statements within the scope of an "elect", i'd agree at 100% (except for the Limited Atonement, i'd replace it with 100% efficient atonement for the elects).

2- Armianism REALLY REALLY fits when we have to "explain" why some "departed from the faith", again, i'm not gonna remind the verses supporting this assumption...
BUT, the pb with armianism remains when we are to "live it out" as a christian. It kind of leaves Christians with a HUGE AMOUNT of anxiety since they can definetely loose their salvation and then they have to be very very cautious. At some degree, it can even remove the Peace and the Joy, Jesus has promised us to give.

To put it simple, I think soteriologies (ANY soteriology) can be likened to maths functions or maths models which can explain, predict, define many things when taken in THEIR 'domain of function' and 'sandboxes' but yet fail to give comprehensive understanding of the whole thing.

Should this thread bring anyone to stumble, let it be locked or removed

Blessings

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KingJimmy Feb 28, 2011

Both sides have their strengths and weaknesses in what they say. And though I understand the sharp and divisions between the two theologies, I've also come to see in recent years that the two sides are closer together than some are willing to admit.

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KingJimmy Feb 28, 2011

And personally speaking, as an Arminian, I would like to say I almost never worry about my personal salvation. Indeed, it is my opinion those of the Reformed faith tend to be more worried about losing their salvation, which is why I personally believe you hear them preach so much on assurance. Why the constant need to preach on being assured of your salvation if you are in fact saved?

Personally speaking, I feel very assured of my salvation as an Arminian. But not because of what I do, but because of what Christ has done. I feel utterly dependent upon the grace of God to keep me unto the end. My personal experience has been that those of Reformed opinions tend to be very insecure in their security. Indeed, for some to question the mere possibility of losing one's salvation causes some strong emotions to be evoked that make me wonder, "If you really believe this, why the big fuss?"

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lylewise Mar 4, 2011

I won't state where I lie on the debate. I am still young in the faith but I have listened to both Reformed and Arminian preachers on this site and if for no other reason, I am being shown through their great hearts for the Lord that I must look beyond this debate. I don't want to miss even the smallest inflection wherby they glorify the King of Kings.

It is kind of funny when you listen to some of these men preach who are long since dead and humble us greatly yet tended to attack the other position with furvor considering it a form of robbery. I may one day do the same if given a similar conviction but technically I do not know how I could disregard my admiration of a saints love for God when that is the most important thing we do.

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Josef83 Mar 16, 2011

You really hit the hammer on the nail on that one.
all though I am a calvinist I never found security in salvation until I discoverd calvinism because some preachers that are arminans always make you feeling like you will loose you salvation in everything you do and I was the biggest legalists of all and I needed to get out of that pit.
Yet arminans have right when they say if you live in sin and continue to do it and do not repent you will go to hell.
so arminans say you can loose your salvation.
calvinist say only true christians will persevere and if u do not persevere u where never born again at all.
so they do not contridict eachother even though we like to say they do :-)

then arminans emphesize on mens responsibilty calvinists do not Ignore that neither.
Arminans belive jesus elected the whole world for salvation but they preach few find the way.
calvinists dont belive jesus elected or died for all men but they belive also few find the way.

so they are more close to eachother then we wanna admit.

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