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Jesus the Prophet

sermonindex Mar 15, 2011

This is also my opinion: Jesus was not a prophet. That is what Muslim's want us to believe. God cannot be considered a prophet of Himself, and Jesus was spiritually God. Prophet's convey what God tells them to convey, when Jesus spoke as God, God was conveying to the people directly.
I've captured this quote from another thread and wanted to comment on it.

I will quote parts of the quote and see what scripture has to say about it.

"Jesus was not prophet"

Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken.

"Prophet's convey what God tells them to convey".

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

We should not negate the word of God because Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet. For He was a prophet. Not just a prophet though, but Thee Prophet the one that would come to save Jacob from their sins.


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learjet Mar 16, 2011

For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy." -Revelation 19:10b

Peace brothers and sisters!

In Christ,
Earl J

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MrBillPro Mar 16, 2011

Because Jesus was fully man "and" fully God, when Jesus spoke prophetically, He was speaking of Himself, but in His human voice. This cannot be an easy thing to be able to understand or determine in each instance.

Only if Jesus were not God could Jesus be just a prophet, as the Muslims are taught.

Jesus being a prophet is being taught by some such as Ernest Martins and Gary Arvidson, and for all I know, they may be right and the majority of Christian scholars wrong. However, we should be careful of diminishing Jesus's authority as God. Jesus is who the prophets heard and spoke of. Whenever it seems that Jesus is acting as a prophet, remember that He was a man, but even speaking as a Son of Man, He was speaking with the authority of the Son of God.

Here is a site that claims that Jesus "was" a prophet; http://www.angelfire.com/nt/theology/mk06-01.html It is based on scripture that you are citing. Now, here is a most contradictory quote from that site;
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Jesus was that prophet. He spoke the words of the Lord in a way that no prophet had ever done. He did not merely say, “Thus saith the Lord.” He often said, “I Myself say unto you.” He spoke on the basis of His own authority as well as on the authority of the Father.
This line first claims that Jesus "was" the prophet mentioned by Moses, yet also claims that Jesus spoke as God. If a prophet is someone who tells us what God wants us to know, how can God be a prophet for Himself? Even though Jesus, the Son of Man and Jesus, the Son of God were one and the same, one "was" human and one "Is" spiritual.

Please notice my emphasis on "was" and "Is". God "is". Jesus "Is" God.

sermonindex Mar 16, 2011

MrBillPro,

Hi!

You yourself are elegantly capable of explaining how it is that the Holy Spirit interprets scripture to us as we read, being open to hear from our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. This itself is a legitimate way to define 'prophecy' - a forthtelling of truth - just as sound preaching is also 'prophecy'.

It is a short step from anointed preaching (using some of the written word of God as text), to prophesying in the strength of a grace (charis) of the Holy Spirit, where He directly gives words to the person obeying Him, which are then spoken out by that servant (son of God) within the assembly. If we have the Holy Spirit enlivening Christ in our beings, then it is natural for Him to speak (or teach, or heal, or evangelise, or direct (administer), and so on, as with other gifts) at the time appointed in that person's life in their function as a member of His body on earth.


Of course Jesus was going to tell forth the truth! He was in the unusual position as THE MAN, of being able to point to Himself and say 'I AM - THE TRUTH'. In so saying, I am not diminishing His status as THE SON (the Only-begotten Son, the Firstborn Son) of GOD.

Perhaps a way to rethink His status as a man, is to consider that we, as 'men' are created in His likeness. Although He had not been Incarnate at the time of Adam's creation, nevertheless, we are modelled on what God 'would have' looked like had HE been a man on earth first. Jesus Christ was not modelled on us, except in His taking 'the likeness of sinful flesh'.

(Therefore we recognise Him. Remember how no-one recognised Him after the resurrection - there was something different about His body... I suggest it was more like sinLESS flesh, than any man has ever seen - but that's another discussion.)

The Prophet that Approved noted in Deuteronomy 18:15 is referred to in other places in the New Testament, also. The people were waiting for 'that Prophet'.

John 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou THAT PROPHET? And he answered, No. ... 25 And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither THAT PROPHET?

John 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth THAT PROPHET that should come into the world.

Acts 3: 22 For Moses [Deu 18:15 - 19] truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. 23 And it shall come to pass, [that] every soul, which will not hear THAT PROPHET, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. 26 Unto you [Israelites] first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Acts 7:37 [Stephen speaking] This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear. [Deu 18:15]

Acts 26:22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:


According to Jesus many prophets had been killed by the people. He includes that narrative in His parable of the vineyard with the tower. At the end of that parable, the King Himself comes and destroys those who did not receive His Son. That ending is exactly what Moses prophesied about 'that Prophet', recalled by Peter in Acts 3:23 (above).

Deuteronomy 18:19 And it shall come to pass, [that] whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require [it] of him.


Therefore, the generation to whom 'that Prophet' came, had had about 1500 years' notice that God had also determined a consquence to those who rejected Him.


It would not be possible for Mohammed to attribute to Jesus the glory which Christians believe He deserves, as that would have made his thesis untenable.

sermonindex Mar 16, 2011


Hi Approved,

I noticed this too (but forgot to comment in my first reply).

Jesus was not a prophet. That is what Muslim's want us to believe.
This is not my finding in conversation with Muslims. But, they do not want to believe He was the LAST Prophet which God the Creator sent to earth for the whole of mankind. This includes that they do not believe God 'need's a son - which complicates their view of both who God is, and who Christ is.

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