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strawrifle Mar 21, 2011

Hi, for the longest time I've wanted to ask you guys a question so here goes..

I don't personally consider myself saved (and for the thread it would be helpful if we just agree on that)

But for the longest time I've been interested maybe even obsessed about things of God, getting saved etc..I've listened,read,had conversations all about God over and overrrrrrrr,even glued to films like ben hur as a kid.The bottom line is i'm still the same though...Were talking about a period from 8-44..

Now my question is if i'm dead spiritually, what have i been doing all this time, to me it's tryingggg to find God and not succeeding, Is it possible for me to find God?? How can i be totally depraved if i'm so obsessed

NO DEBATE BETWEEN THE TWO GROUPS

This is a friendly question asked of a group of people i have a lot of respect for!! And i just want their opinion

cheers

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KingJimmy Mar 21, 2011

A thought: There are men out there who beat their wives yet say they love them.

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boG Mar 22, 2011

Jimmy :)

Strawrifle, I think you have incorrectly labeled the title. You are really asking a question for Christians in general. The Calvinist-Arminian debates are about differences between non-essential doctrines, not differences about justification by faith and salvation.

Now my question is if i'm dead spiritually, what have i been doing all this time, to me it's tryingggg to find God and not succeeding, Is it possible for me to find God?? How can i be totally depraved if i'm so obsessed

It is difficult to know how to respond. I am not entirely sure how you understand your own question. Also, I am not certain what your criteria and expectations are for finding God.

Since we are all spiritually dead to begin with and it is in that state that we are first drawn and led to seek God; moreover, since God has put eternity, as it were, and the knowledge of Himself in our hearts; it is therefore little wonder that you would find yourself mindful of whether or not God exists and who or what He is. The pursuit of God is quite natural and intuitive.

It should also be pointed out that it appears you have misunderstood the meaning of total depravity. If I am following you correctly, the implication is that if you are totally depraved then thoughts and concerns about God should be non-existent. That is not accurate. Total depravity is merely the doctrine that man in his natural sinful state (as distinguished from his original state in the garden prior to the Fall) is entirely incapable of justifying himself before a Holy God. Moreover, prior to the renewing and enlightening of God's Spirit man's heart is stubbornly spiteful of the righteousness and mercy of God. This does not mean that man will never seek for God, even as he seeks for wisdom, but it is only to say that he will never love the God he is ultimately looking for. Such that when God manifests Himself in some way to the seeker is not satisfied; so, instead of turning to glorify God, the man turns aside for something else. For the man, without the grace of God and without a love for the truth he receives, will never value and cherish the things of God. For those are spiritually appraised and he is yet carnally minded (his affections are set upon the things of the earth: those things which perish and are passing away). Thus, things the natural man regards as foolishness are often revealed to be the riches and wisdom of God in Christ.

Now, if you might please clarify your question a bit. You say you are trying to find God but what exactly are you looking for? Or, perhaps more precisely, what evidences are you considering for determining God's existence or for who He is?

And, when you consider such things, what are your expectations? Are you waiting for some kind of divine confirmation (e.g., a burning in your bosom, liver shivers, to be struck by lightning, writing in the sky or some such)? Often people will speak of a great weight being lifted off of their shoulders or a deep sense of peace and assurance when first being found of God (yes, I said, when God finds them, not vice versa — it would be wise for you to consider the implications of that). But none of these expectations are evidences for knowing when one is born again of the Spirit of God or for when one has had a "supernatural experience" (as some excitable persons claim). A side note on that, my point is to emphasize that many persons will often be induced into various altered states of consciousness and ignorantly assume that the sensate experiences of chemical intoxication is evidence for the presence of God or angels. And their reasoning on the matter is no more profound than because it felt good. An unfortunate state of affairs.

To put it simply, there are quite frankly no sensations, no signs, no physical or emotional feelings or such evidences that will guarantee or confirm to any man the existence of God or who He is. These things may certainly be assurances (for they are certainly not contrary to it) but ultimately they are not guarantees. That is the nature of spirit. In theology this is often called the Hiddenness of God. For it seems as if, even with all of our greatest and sincerest efforts, God is completely unattainable and unknowable. (As I said, when God finds us, not vice versa. This is also an extension of the doctrine of total depravity.)

I will leave you with these things to consider, for now. Please let me know your thoughts and, if you would answer some of the questions presented, then, I will do my best to dialogue with you.

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strawrifle Mar 22, 2011

Hi thks for the replies..

Firstly i directed the question to one group because i thought it was more their doctrine, and secondly i didnt want the thread to become a debate between the two groups..

Your reply as been very helpful, this section most helpful


(((((It should also be pointed out that it appears you have misunderstood the meaning of total depravity. If I am following you correctly, the implication is that if you are totally depraved then thoughts and concerns about God should be non-existent. That is not accurate. Total depravity is merely the doctrine that man in his natural sinful state (as distinguished from his original state in the garden prior to the Fall) is entirely incapable of justifying himself before a Holy God. Moreover, prior to the renewing and enlightening of God's Spirit man's heart is stubbornly spiteful of the righteousness and mercy of God. This does not mean that man will never seek for God, even as he seeks for wisdom, but it is only to say that he will never love the God he is ultimately looking for. Such that when God manifests Himself in some way to the seeker is not satisfied; so, instead of turning to glorify God, the man turns aside for something else. For the man, without the grace of God and without a love for the truth he receives, will never value and cherish the things of God. For those are spiritually appraised and he is yet carnally minded (his affections are set upon the things of the earth: those things which perish and are passing away). Thus, things the natural man regards as foolishness are often revealed to be the riches and wisdom of God in Christ.))))

I guess the simple question is, does total depravity mean all my efforts to get saved won't move God, if so, what do u do when u cant do anything :p...

How do u make God find u?? Cornelius seemed to move God before he was saved...

What do i want? I want to KNOW God and i want to KNOW that i'm saved...

andy

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Areadymind Mar 22, 2011

Do you believe he died and rose again? Do you believe that he took your place on Calvary and stayed the mighty hand of God's wrath against you? Do you believe Jesus can save you? Call out to him for salvation. Do you believe He is the source of eternal life? Ask that he would birth you in the spirit. Have you asked him to save you? Have you placed your faith in Christ? Do you believe Jesus is the way the truth and the life and that no man can come to the Father but by His son?

Simply believe. Put your trust and faith in him to save you from your sin. I could think of no greater tragedy in all Christian history than someone being denied entrance into the heavenly city because they could not settle a theological debate of chicken and egg while in this life.

"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out." -John 6:36

Come to Jesus, seek his face for salvation...ask him to save you. He will in no wise cast you out. Unto the merciful He will show himself merciful.

"Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, and brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house." -Acts 16:29-31

"But as many as received him, to them he gave the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name." -John 1:12

"Verily verily I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven." -John 3:5

"As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only son of God." -John 3:14-18

"And when he (the Holy Spirit) is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they believe not on me..." -John 16:8-9

Is the Spirit reproving you because of unbelief? What then should be your response?

Praying for you.

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strawrifle Mar 22, 2011

(((could think of no greater tragedy in all Christian history than someone being denied entrance into the heavenly city because they could not settle a theological debate of chicken and egg while in this life. )))

One point the theological debate to this question isnt why im not saved , i was just wondering if it was the reason God never responded,,i wasnt worried about total depravity at 8 :p...


Honestly ive asked God over and over to save me in the last 30 years..Most nights i spend time pleading with God to do something, and everytime i still feel dead and unchanged, and yes full of unbelief but 30 years of asking and no reponse will do that to you..

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Areadymind Mar 22, 2011

One point the theological debate to this question isn't why I'm not saved , I was just wondering if it was the reason God never responded,

I could never claim to speak to the specificity of your situation Strawrifle. All I have to stand on is what the word says. If Jesus tells me he will not cast me out for coming to him, all I can do is believe that.

One more thing to consider...

Romans 6:11 "Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ your Lord."

30 years of asking and no response will do that to you..

Again though, you still did not answer the rest of my questions, please forgive my directness. Do you in fact believe all the things I asked you?

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jimp Mar 22, 2011

hi, if you can believe romans 9:10,11 you can be saved . if you do not have the faith to believe what God says in the bible you will not be saved. it is simple. God put the cookies on the bottom shelf.children can reach them but religious folks ignore them.jimp

sermonindex Mar 22, 2011

God put the cookies on the bottom shelf.children can reach them but religious folks ignore them.jimp

Haha. I like that one. Well said.

sermonindex Mar 22, 2011

oh my dear brother, unseen yet beloved by me, and seen and beloved by God;

i'm with you, not in body, but in spirit, and i testify to you this:

of course you can and you WILL find God, and whats more, you know this, deep in your heart.

forget the Calvin, Armianian thing, no offense to anybody, but Andy, if God the Holy Ghost can take a Jew like me, and speak to me in a lonely mountain hut, and remake me, refurbish me and enable me to APPREHEND Jesus as Messiah, then He can do it for you. (just the fact that you're on this website, indicates your God Hunger...amen?)

i heard a story once, a girl comes up to the pastor and says, i find it so hard to love Jesus, the pastor replys, when your on your knees, driving your car, going to and fro, just say in heart, "Jesus loves me"...over and over, relish that heart thought, those Words, like hard candy.

Jesus loves me, Jesus loves me, Jesus loves me.

week later, eyes brimming with tears the wee lass comes back and exclaims, "Oh, How i love Jesus!"

so if you want Andy, get on your knees, or with a cuppa, and roll those words in your heart, "Jesus loves me"....

Coz He does Andy, you and i both know it, i smile at you with love, HIS love (and a hearty dash o mine) neil

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Josef83 Mar 22, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEOqxibhCxU

here you have a calvinist preaching

sermonindex Mar 22, 2011

i was speaking to Andy, not you, so why pin up a Paul Washer sermon? arent there quite a few Filipino's out your door that need the Gospel taught and demonstrated to them, so what you doing here pecking away on the computer?

sermonindex Mar 22, 2011

Hello Andy,

I know a man who has also sought to be saved also for 30 plus years and still admittedly isn't. One thing I know about him (because he says so) is that he has a sin that he will not give up (I'm not judging him, I know this certainly from talking to him). It is not a sinful action, but an affection in his mind that he admittedly won't let go of. He'll agree with 99 percent of Bible passages, but he argues with the ones related to this particular sin which he takes pleasure in. So in his case it is no wonder that he hasn't been saved yet and is still frustrated.

The Bible is clear that to be saved we must receive the love of the truth (2 Thessalonians 2:10) and that pleasure in unrighteousness will keep us from believing (committing to, obeying) the truth (2 Thess. 2:12). Jesus made it clear that evil deeds keep one from coming to the light and believing on him (John 3:18-20) To receive Jesus he must be received as Lord/King as well as Savior, because that's who he is. Those offices cannot be separated. He has a right to rule over us by his word. If you read Acts 2:36-38 you'll see that Peter clearly told his audience that they needed to repent of rejecting Jesus as "Lord and Christ."

I'm not judging you, but I'm hoping you'll consider this and examine yourself. Those who are saved are given the witness of the Spirit (Romans 8:16) and the Holy Spirit is given to those who obey Christ (Acts 5:32). We do need to obey him, and that is a yielding to him rather than a work (Hebrews 5:9). We can resist though (Acts 7:51), and that could simply come in the form of neglecting to really lay down a sinful area that the Holy Spirit has put His finger on. Again, I'm not judging you, but there is a reason you're not getting peace and it certainly is not because God won't save you. 1 Timothy 2:4 makes it clear that God wills for all to be saved. And the gospel's commands/promises are certainly given to all people also. So don't stop seeking Christ and don't try to do good works to earn his favor, rather seek him on the terms laid out in scripture. Reading the New Testament frequently with that in mind will help you to understand those terms very clearly. I'll just leave you a few scriptures that deal with that. Notice that Jesus gives these to everyone. He must be given control; we must die to living for self to have his eternal life.

Luke 14:25-27:

25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,
26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Mark 8:34-35:

34 And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

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boG Mar 22, 2011

Strawrifle, you said

Honestly ive asked God over and over to save me in the last 30 years..Most nights i spend time pleading with God to do something, and everytime i still feel dead and unchanged, and yes full of unbelief but 30 years of asking and no response will do that to you..

Again, you are expecting some kind of response, some kind of sign or confirmation. And, it would appear, you are judging yourself to be full of unbelief because you still feel dead and unchanged; that is, because there was no confirmation, that you are aware of, to evidence God took notice of your earnest pleas. You are putting the cart before the horse, my friend.

Others here have kindly provided you with some sermons or doctrines about certain beliefs that true believers have. Although there still remains the problem that you seem to be struggling with. For merely assenting to such Christian truths, such as those Areadymind mentioned, does not guarantee one's salvation. The reason for this goes back to what I said about not merely having the truth but much more having a love for the truth that you might be saved (2 Thessalonians 2:10). As it is, I think it is safe to assume that after some 30 years of searching, your problem is not whether you have heard or understand the Gospel. Perhaps you even acknowledge it to be true that Jesus, the Christ, died to save you from your sins as an atoning sacrifice, etc. If you did not I would find it strange that you should be so concerned about crying out to God. So it seems to me that the root of your struggle is in recognizing what faith actually is, what faith is grounded in, and how to exercise it.

There are many out there who speak foolishly about the nature of faith. They say faith is "blind." Do not listen to those people. Faith and reason are neither enemies nor mutually exclusive. But faith does extend beyond what human reasoning can grasp. You might imagine this like an arrow that extends upward and points far into the unfathomable depths of the universe beyond our skies. This arrow is the straight and narrow path of all human comprehension and understanding of what is true and reasonable (this would include the knowledge of God in accordance to the general revelation; this is sometimes referred to as intuitive knowledge; see Romans 1:16ff). But the mind cannot extend itself beyond it's natural bounds: it cannot grasp the heavens or tear away the veil to peer into the higher mysteries. This is likewise the limitation and weakness of the branches of philosophy. When we consider such tantalizing questions as what caused the universe (e.g., the Kalam cosmological argument taken together with the ontological argument for God's existence) we find that reason and intuition agree that it seems undeniable that there must be more to everything than brute empirical facts. No doubt to the chagrin of many atheists who fervently wish God would simply vanish in a puff of logic. Yet for all the rationality and for all the compelling arguments for God's existence and that He has revealed Himself through the Christian Bible and in His only begotten Son, none of these testimonies can bring us to that absolute 100% conclusion. In point, only the witness of the Holy Spirit can truly evidence that full assurance; although, even that can be often forgotten or neglected. Such is the nature of sin to dull and harden the hearts of men to the loving-kindness of their Creator.

I say all of these things to make a point. In the end, reason can no more bring us to God than it can motivate us to trust our dearest friend. It can lead us very far and point the way beyond but it cannot provide the reason or the motivation for why we ought to go beyond. Thus faith is entirely reasonable and yet it is more: it is trust. Not the kind of trust a gambler may have. It is the kind of trust found in any good and healthy relationship, such as, a husband who trusts that his wife genuinely loves him and will not betray him, and that trust is mutual. And, indeed, when we speak of Christian faith, we are speaking of a personal relation to a personal God.

So I ask, what manner of sign ought the husband expect from his wife that while she is beyond his immediate perception that she will abide, even abound, in her love for him and remain loyal to their marriage covenant? I dare say he asks for none, much more, he needs none. Why then do we require any more from God who has already given us His Son and all things? Take God at His word. He is faithful and true; He cannot lie. When He says that whosoever believes and trusts in Jesus of Nazareth, the Son of God, who knew no sin and was made "to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him" and thereby be reconciled unto God (2 Corinthians 5:20-21), He means it.

This most profound of truths is not to be found in fuzzy sensation or tingly fingers or heart palpitations; it is not to be found in the blatantly miraculous; it is not to be found in mere mental assent or an emotion. It is only found in a personal and sincere trust between one person and another. Therefore if you can trust God to do what He said He would do then take courage in the words of Christ, who says,

John 14:21. "He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose (reveal) Myself to him."

John 15:10. "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love."
12. "This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you."
14. "You are My friends if you do what I command you."
17. "This I command you, that you love one another."

And John would go on to later write, in First John, chapter 4,

We are from God; he who knows God listens to us; he who is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error. Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God. The one who does not love does not know God, for God is love. By this the love of God was manifested in us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us. By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. We have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world. Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God. We have come to know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and the one who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. By this, love is perfected with us, so that we may have confidence in the day of judgment; because as He is, so also are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves punishment, and the one who fears is not perfected in love. We love, because He first loved us. If someone says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have from Him, that the one who loves God should love his brother also.

Matthew 22:36-40
"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?"
And He said to him, " 'you shall love the Lord you God with all of your heart, and with all of your soul, and with all of your mind.' This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'you shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets."

I would also strongly recommend you to consider the Epistle of Second Peter, which declares unto us, that it is only by God's "divine power [that He] has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and virtue. For by these [His own glory and virtue] He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust."

And Peter goes on to say, "for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you."

What then do all of these Scriptures mean? They are the marks of a truly born-again Christian or, as John puts it, one who is born of God. There is much that can be said for why this is the case (it has to do with the nature of man's dependence upon God as the giver of life) but for now it is enough to say that if we love God and love our neighbor with unfeigned hearts and this love is grounded in the Gospel of Jesus Christ (that is, even as Christ so loved us) then we have assurance that God has forgiven our sins, even as He cleanses us from all unrighteousness, and that He has given unto us eternal life in His Son.

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jimp Mar 22, 2011

hi, if one could stop sinning then he would not need Jesus. repenting is turning the rule of your life over to Christ. the Holy Spirit is the comforter(cum forte)with strength that works within the christian in his sanctifiation as he looks to the finished work of the cross.repent, beieve,confess,receive for JESUS paid the whole price and it is finished.jimp quit confessing a weak redeemer for He is able to save to the uttermost and it has very little to do with you

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KingJimmy Mar 22, 2011

Jesus Christ was raised from the dead. If you will really believe this amazing thing, and abandon yourself to Him as Lord, you will be saved. In spite of all your seeking you have yet to find Him because you have yet to abandon yourself to Him and follow Him. Start following Him and you will be saved.

If you wait around for some profound mystical experience of what you imagine "getting saved" is like, you will never find the salvation you say you long for. If you wish to find life, pickup your cross and begin to follow. Whoever would lose their life for Him will find it.

But it begins by believing so profoundly in Jesus Christ being alive that you follow Him for who He is: LORD!

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whyme Mar 22, 2011

Strawlife,

You may have just neglected to mention this but I don't see in any of your posts a repentant heart seeking mercy. I read that you are seeking God. Perhaps you haven't really reached the place of seeing your own sin and repenting before you seek to have God reveal Himself to you as Savior and Lord. Don't know this to be the case for sure though.

For the responders, the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. I can hear the apostle saying "knowing the terror of God I persuade men..."

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KingJimmy Mar 22, 2011

Jesus Christ was raised from the dead. If you will really believe this amazing thing, and abandon yourself to Him as Lord, you will be saved. In spite of all your seeking you have yet to find Him because you have yet to abandon yourself to Him and follow Him. Start following Him and you will be saved.

If you wait around for some profound mystical experience of what you imagine "getting saved" is like, you will never find the salvation you say you long for. If you wish to find life, pickup your cross and begin to follow. Whoever would lose their life for Him will find it.

But it begins by believing so profoundly in Jesus Christ being alive that you follow Him for who He is: LORD!

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strawrifle Mar 22, 2011

Hi thks very much for ur replies you have all been very kind..

I thought i would try and answer some more questions, and clarify some points..

Though through a very kind teacher i was first inspired to know about God at 8...The story really starts at 15, i had a RE teacher who though unsaved was intrigued by Nicky Cruz book, and would read it to us in lessons, i rushed out and bought that book and read it in one sitting that night to say it changed my life is a understatement (Though in someways it was just the begining of my frustrations, from the start i wanted what he got i wanted the experiances)...

Is there anything wrong to think when u meet God the experiance will be glorious? I think not, but to say i was disappointed is a understatement, i felt that getting saved would change me...

I became a member of a local church, which basically believed the "say this little prayer and ur in"...From the start i was rebelious due to being disappointed and never settled in church, i became the member with all the questions and doubts, which im sure wore them out..

Also beside this, i have to confess the start of my "christian life" was also the start of my "sinful behaviour"...I come from a totally unchristian family and friends, and led two lifes sin,drink,drugs,sex and then thinking of God on my pillow, and demanding why He didn't change me, i also out of frustration joint other faiths through this period from Bahai to Islam...

I have become very doubleminded and full of bitterness, and also full of questions, unfortuantly questions that can't be answered this side of heaven ( I am the boat on the waves he speaks about)...

So do i believe everything people have quoted?? On a good day i hope its all true, on a bad day just a million thoughts and grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..

Have i ever felt conviction of sin? Hmmmmmm no i have felt i hope i don't get caught, and the feeling that if i am not convicted thats Gods fault after all hes the person who made me like this and can change me..

Sorry to be blunt but just wanted to be clearer thks

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Elowel Mar 22, 2011

Is there anything wrong to think when u meet God the experiance will be glorious? I think not, but to say i was disappointed is a understatement, i felt that getting saved would change me...
Yes, when you meet God, the experience is life-changing and you're a new creature. You're right, getting saved DOES change you and I don't know a single person who wasn't emotionally struck with an outpouring of tears, but I don't think you weren't saved--not by praying the sinner's prayer:

I became a member of a local church, which basically believed the "say this little prayer and ur in"...From the start i was rebelious due to being disappointed and never settled in church, i became the member with all the questions and doubts, which im sure wore them out..

Also side this, i have to confess the start of my "christian life" was also the start of my "sinful behaviour"...I come from a totally unchristian family and friends and led two lifes sin,drink,drugs,sex and then thinking of God on my pillow, and demanding him why he didn't change me, i also out of frustration joint other faths through this period from Bahai to Islam...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZyzzSw0Log&feature=player_embedded

Praying a sinner's prayer does not save you. Occasionally, God WILL answer peoples' prayers and they ARE saved and changed into a new creature, but as Paul Washer said, that's in SPITE of this methodology, not because of it.

When you are saved, it is an indescribably significant moment, but don't waste time waiting for "that" day (I don't know I'm trying to get at), don't waste time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzMId-VgdAM

Repent of your sins. Go to your room, lock the door, and ask the Lord to come.

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