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Must art be evangelistic/specifically Christian?

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hoohoou Mar 23, 2011

I asked this question in one of the music threads. The thread was a little heated and I don't think anyone paid any attention to my question. Does art, be it music, painting, poetry have to be evangelistic or clearly Christian to be godly. By that I mean, can a Christian write music about an experience that is not directly related to God and it still be godly? Can a Christian painter paint a field in bloom and it be considered godly? Can a poet write about the atrocities taking place in Libya right now without directly invoking the name of God and it still be considered godly?

What does it take for anything to be godly?

I hope you all feel led to respond. I'm not writing with an agenda, though I do have my opinion on the topic. I'm trying to move from opinion to conviction on this. So, if you feel led, tell me what you think about this. It's an interesting question to me.

sermonindex Mar 23, 2011

thats a really good question.

just curious, are you an artist, my brother?

i am. the last play i wrote, was about a very powerful politician who was a daily communicant in the roman faith.

he was Irish, so thats where he went, and this devotion to Jesus was one of the Things that drew me to him, and i opened the play with portions of the actual mass, EDITED out all references to popery or mary idolatry, etc...it sounded like something any Protestant pastor would say.

the reason i put this at the opening was very specific, and that reason is private. well okay, my reason is, that i wanted to lift up Jesus right from the opening curtain

What i'm writing right now are the "found memoirs" of an Imperial Japanese Navy Admiral, who so happenned to be a "closet" Christian. i'm not going to say what these memoirs are about, i hope you understand, but i read my 15 year old son the first 15 pages (at his request) and boy o boy, did that engender a fight between us.

in the opening pages, the since deceased Admiral confesses what he was, a secret Christian, and takes two enormous swings at the twin pillars of the Japanese military class, emperor worship and the shrine at Yasakuni, where its believed the war dead congregate.

my son was aghast, "why does he have to be Christian?"

i shrugged, "because he is, this character is very real to me, and now i'm going to dig out his "memoirs".

He countered, "but dont you realize you're going to offend the Japanese,which is your audience, you'll never get a publisher because of the offensive nature of the book, and nobody will read it".

he was very vehement, adament, took me by surprise, in fact i had to fight the urge to get equally intense, but i just told him, "when i write, i dont worry about publishers, i dont worry about offending people, all i worry about is this: is it boring?....and then i just write and be really ruthless as an editor, meaning that if i write a passage and it doesnt 'sing' when i re-read it. when its done, then i start to be concerned about commercial aspects".

My son then asked me a question that there was a spiritual component to his ire, "is there going to be a lot more Christianity in it"?

i was starting to get irritated, but turned down the meter with a question in return, "if a painter, a great artist, showed, you a half completed work, would you dare ask him, if he was going to put 'more blue' in it? furthermore these are the wartime memoirs of a fighting adniral, not a theological tretise".


Saints, i was truly in uncharted waters, because i was being challenged on not only an artistical level by my beloved son, but also on a Faith level, and it was all rather unnerving, because i do not know what is going on in this lad's soul. He loves Jesus, but he's also very intelligent, and aware, to wit, he too sees much of the hypocrisy and pharaiscism of the church in America, the pro forma "worship", the negative pull of the 'culture wars' and at 15, there are many negative pullings at the child spirit in this culture, whether it be in the secular world, or in the church world, and this young man is at great risk, which has me in constant prayer for him, as there are only so many things i can control in his life.

He then said, "well, i wouldnt make him a Christian"...to which i responded, "well, then write your own book, i have plenty of blank hard cover journals and it would be my pleasure to gift you with one".

This went on for a bit, talking in circles, and i finally said, "Sweetheart, you know me, i only write things i am called to write, God gave me the idea for this book, and if the calling is true, it will be successful, just like the play was, albeit through health concerns i cant perform on stage anymore. Furthermore, dont you think i know full and well, what i'm writing will cause great controversy among the Japanese, but it is controversy that draws people to the book, to read and see what the brou haha is all about?"

i then explained to him, Japanese people have a secret fascination with what is forbidden, which might give the book added allure, God willing. And Christianity in Japan is forbiddden and scorned, and the thought that one of their hero's, albeit a fictional hero is Christian, might draw a few to interest in Jesus.

God gave me this idea several months ago, well before the tragic tsunami, and i'm in my research phase, which means though i have a solid grounding in Japanese culture and history, i'm reading everything about the Imperial Japanese Military, so that the book reads as "non fiction".

Now my failing with my son on that night, which by the way ended in love and hugs, followed by a nice Chinese meal, might have been that i did not tell him, that my work as a writer, even spinning a tale of a fictional memoir, has to be Christ-centric, God honoring and evangelical, but i do it in such a way, the people are drawn into the character, and dont realize they are being shown how Jesus brings Life and Life more abundantly....to prick their hearts without pounding a seeming "Western religion" down there throats.
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When i have more pages done, and we are of one accord, i will explain to my son, that all my art, my work HAS to be done for the Glory of God, otherwise its just straw, hay and vapors.

God bless you for allowing me the chance to testify, and may the God of Peace and Messiah Jesus bring forth Grace and Mercy to all your families, dear saints, i remain your brother in Christ, neil

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JB1968 Mar 23, 2011

Interesting and a good question. Paul said, "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God." This can be done creatively and in many different ways. May we not bring dishonor to His name.

sermonindex Mar 23, 2011

Hello Hoohoou,

Approaching this question, I think it's helpful to think of three points of interpretative authority (I take these from literary criticism, though they are applicable to all art, I would think):

1 - the artist
2 - the work
3 - the audience

Within the arts, there are critical methods that privilege any of these points of authority over the others. The answer to the ostensible "Christianity" of art rests in which point one finds most important. For example, if one privileges the (1) artist, one is concerned with his/her lifestyle, theology, intentions, and intimacy with God. These issues will define whether the art that he/she produces is "Christian". Should one privilege (2) the work as the point of interpretation, one is more concerned with the potential message of the work... does it illustrate biblical truths? Is it doctrinally sound? How far does it deviate from orthodoxy? How far is too far? If (3) the audience is privileged, the intention and character of the artist, as well as the message and and doctrine of the work, are less important than the value the audience gives to his/her reaction to the work. Is it moving? Do I feel closer to God as a result? Do I find it edifying, despite objectionable material? Is there a balance between ostensible worldliness and the potential value one ascribes to the work?

Of course, these three categories blend together and no reading of a work is based entirely upon a single point of authority, but anytime we cast our gaze upon a piece of art, one of these will be prioritized over the others.

To address your question more directly, using the ideas above, I would suggest that artists and audiences can be Christian or godly, but a work of art cannot. It may illustrate spiritual truths, or edify the audience, or express the artist's close relationship with God, but the work itself is an object that requires interpretation. Thus, it seems to me that the artist is freed from the burden of conforming to exterior notions of what "godly" art should be, allowing him/her to produce a work that, to the best of his/her ability, pleases God. The subject matter cannot be dictated. This is not license for ungodliness, but if one is truly seeking to please God, it seems that one can follow one's conscience in the creative endeavour.

[As an aside, more Christians who are artists should explore this freedom of theme and subject matter. The common tropes of "Christian" "art" (at least that which is marketable) are so tired and flat as to inhibit all originality and authenticity of statement. But I'll say no more for fear of causing offense.]

Neil's story illustrates the differences in the points of authority. He writes to glorify God, showing the artist's authority. If I am interpreting his book by privileging the artist, I will read it reading for his intention and aware of his life. My judgment of the book as good/bad or successful/unsuccessful will be based on such criteria. His son reacted with an interpretation that privileges the authority of the audience: "you're going to offend the Japanese, which is your audience, you'll never get a publisher because of the offensive nature of the book, and nobody will read it". There is validity to this interpretation. If I read this book aware of the offense it may cause, I will read it reading for the content that provokes reaction. [Incidentally, Neil can/will/may fashion his text with such a reaction in mind, which complicates the interpretation somewhat. Similarly, the plot of any thriller with a cliffhanger moment of suspense depends on the audience reacting in a certain way.] My judgment of it will be based on my response and that of the larger audience.

Another example would be the reviews I've read of Neil's play. None mention the God-glorifying opener, though he has stated that such was his intention. Does one consider it godly, then, if he meant it but no one else got it?

As in most things, there is no easy answer here. I have, however, found these ways of thinking helpful in navigating such questions. There is also no absolute answer that will always be valid for even a single work. However, the greatest works are those that are most resilient to changing interpretations over time, still able to withstand the critic's attempt to reduce to a statement the artist's investment of effort, time, and self.

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hoohoou Mar 23, 2011

"just curious, are you an artist, my brother?"

Well, I write a little poetry and enjoy writing in general. I would hesitate to call myself an artist though. Your story is similar to my thought process when writing. I want to paint a picture of Christ without just coming right out and saying it. Whether I say the name Jesus, I want His principles and beauty and whatever attribute I'm shooting for to come through.

Aaron,

Wow. Very well written explanation. I think that's how people interpret whether it's intentional or not. I see that very often here on SI.

"[As an aside, more Christians who are artists should explore this freedom of theme and subject matter. The common tropes of "Christian" "art" (at least that which is marketable) are so tired and flat as to inhibit all originality and authenticity of statement. But I'll say no more for fear of causing offense.]"

I am of the same opinion that the art is neither Christian nor non-Christian (when done by a true believer). I've likened it to the beauty of God's creation. In and of itself a tree is just a tree. It is neither holy nor evil. One may look at it and worship while another sees the handiwork of God.

Your quote above is partially the outcome (IMHO) of the worry of whether or not the art is evangelistic enough, or godly enough. I think we delute our ability to "be original and authentic" in our faith.

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mguldner Mar 23, 2011

This is a very interesting question, I myself am a musician and while I have certain conviction about how I use music when it comes to writing music I generally try to write freely flowing. For me writing is an outlet of what's inside of me, and while I am not an outright evangelist I have written some songs that could likely be interpreted as such, however at times in my life my writing was simply an expression of my inner man. At times I was angry with God, at times I was joyously praising Him, at times I was hurting, and at times I was at Peace.

I will often use my music to tell my story of a Loving Father who cared for a wretch like me. One of my songs is called Coming Home I wrote it while coming back to the Lord and then I wrote a song called sweeter to your eyes which is my expression of God doing His will in my life.

Chorus goes...
Take my heart and change it to your liking
Take my will cause your love isn't worth fighting.
Take my strength because compared to you Im weaker.
Take my image and make it a little sweeter to your eyes.

Other times I would write songs with my friends who don't have the same convictions as I do in terms of how to praise God. We have written many songs that are just plain silly and just fun to sing and play. This again is just staying true to who I am and I certainly have a silly side, at the end of one of our songs I decided it would be a good idea to add the message that Christ is there for them, my band members seemed fine with it.

I have also written love songs for my wife that on the front aren't "godly" or have an in your face Evangelist message but they again aren't for evangelizing the masses but are meant to be sweet love songs to my dear wife each song I wrote for her has my heart in it and my desire to appreciate and bless her all the more.

As already stated though if you Love the Lord and are a believer you will find Christ Jesus just weaving in your art and messages and writting. I hope this helps :)

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enid Mar 23, 2011

I'm not an artist, musician or anything like that.

All I can do is refer you to a scripture. Its 2 Samuel 1 and in it is written the Song of the Bow, by David.

It is a tribute to Saul and his son Jonathan who were killed in battle.

David doesn't mention God in the song, he just refers to Saul and Jonathan.

This might or might not help, but its in scripture.

God bless.

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hoohoou Mar 23, 2011

"As already stated though if you Love the Lord and are a believer you will find Christ Jesus just weaving in your art and messages and writting."

That's pretty much it I think. If Christ is center a person will be writing what Christ is speaking in his soul.

Enid, that was a tremndous help. I wasn't aware of this passage in this context. I guess on that note there is the entire book of Esther. Thanks.

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