Praising Jesus for that 39 page KJV thread

Dear WS and all,

I believe we are living in the age of the Diminishing of the Absolute.

When I was saved in the 70s, it was glorious. I took one step of faith and found myself in a dimension that I never knew existed. Old things passed away... I was a new creation in Christ. And it was always only one step away from me. The "Word is nigh thee".

Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

I never knew anything about Christianity or God's Word, but when I believed in my early 20s, I entered the Promise Land. And I was taught by the Lord that His Word is perfect. Not the ancient manuscripts, but the Word I held in my hand and read everyday. His Word to my heart.

I had never known about the KJV controversy until my 30th year in the Lord. To be specific, I never concerned myself with it. I always read and loved the KJV. I was given a Scofield Bible when I first got saved and chucked it a few years later because of all of his "notes" and got myself another KJV. I also had an NIV, NASB, LB and Amplified.

Someone sent me Gail Riplinger's book, New Age Bible Versions, and after reading it, the veil was pulled back and I realized what the controversy that I stayed away from was all about. Imperfect as Gail is (and we all are) she sounded a clarion call and red alert about something that was taking place that many of us knew nothing about.

I was astounded. I guess I always just trusted too many voices way too much. Anyway, I won't get into that because the KJV thread that WS talks about covers the bases.

But, just wanted to say, that when I found out the importance of YE and Thee, I fell in love with the God's Word in the KJV all over again. I realized then, how very special the KJV was. It is unlike any other. To be sure, my love is for the Lord and I am not a word idolater, a phrase that some have coined. I can understand why.

But, just wanted to share that for the bulk of my walk with the Lord, I was pretty much oblivious to this heated subject. New Age Bible Versions was was the first one I read and since then have done a lot of research and a lot of reading.

This is a little of my testimony on this subject, and it is not meant to turn into another debate. You can't really debate a testimony and you are more than free to disagree with my opinion.

Bless you all,
777

P.S. The Diminishing of the Absolute is happening on many different levels in Christendom, not just with God's Word.

Here you go, Wayneman. This will help.
http://www.sovereignword.org/index.php/will-kinneys-king-james-bible-defense-articles/145-why-qthouq-and-qyeq-are-more-accurate-and-should-be-retained

Don't mind at all, WS. I just matched the links.

777

Whitestone

Remember Ye is just a plural form of address, you must also read it in context. The message was given to the Smyrna church. The "Ye" of

Do not fear what Ye are about to suffer Rev 2:10

makes clear that although the message was addressed to "the angel of the church in Smyrna" Rev 2:8 (a singular person), the message applies to the (the plural persons) of the Smyrna church.

Correct me if I am wrong, WS, but isn't what Andie says, your point, also?

Anonymous777

If you read Whitestones post you can see that she indicated "Ye" meant "all saints" in Rev 2:10.

What I have said is that she has not put the "Ye" into context. In context it means "the Smyrna church" not "the worldwide church throughout history".

Are you able to see the distinction now anonymous?

To make any sense of Jesus Christ's instruction to John to 'write' to these churches, it has to be understood that 'angel' means MESSENGER. In this case, the letter would be most likely addressed to a recognised elder, so he would be included in the 'ye' of the text.

This is, I believe, important to understand. The elder would not have been exempt from the exhortations to repent and return to a former condition of heart. Where the correction of individuals was required, he and the other elders would be the ones to try to bring it about if possible.

The only other explanation of 'messenger', is the possibility that the person who delivered the letter would also read it to the assembly. (We know that John was in exile at the time, so he could not have delivered them personally.) In this way also, the elders would be included as equally eligible to be corrected by the message.

I have no idea if this [Edit] second thought [end edit] is likely, but I also wonder whether John would have dictated the words to a scribe, whom we could sure (therefore) would also be able to read.

it means "the Smyrna church" not "the worldwide church throughout history".

However, parts of all the letters to the seven churches could become relevant to different individual churches down through church history. For instance, the message to the church at Laodicea is most relevant in respect of materialism today.

Alive to God,

It is a separate issue. I an simply saying that "Ye" is used to address more than than one person. Nothing more and nothing less.

Hi andie,

I'm guessing that your post to me was in respect of my first post in the thread. There I was addressing your post from p1, where you distinguished the singular from the plural.

Remember Ye is just a plural form of address, you must also read it in context. The message was given to the Smyrna church. The "Ye" of Do not fear what Ye are about to suffer Rev 2:10 makes clear that although the message was addressed to "the angel of the church in Smyrna" Rev 2:8 (a singular person), the message applies to the (the plural persons) of the Smyrna church.

My second post addressed the relevance of the letters to the church worldwide. Indeed there is an historical, factual truth about what Jesus asked John to communicate, but, the eternal Spirit - the I AM - is always in the present tense, and this is what White_Stone has experienced in the present tense. Amen.

Exactly, AtG.

The Spirit (God), speaks to all men for all ages.

It's not a "history" book.

777

P.S. I don't think anyone is attacking, just trying to understand and AtG assisted very nicely. God's Words are eternal words for all men in all ages, therefore the Holy Spirit personalized His Word to us.

Another example how a small change can take the Living Word and turn it into a history book.

I also believe Gods word speaks to all people in all ages.

quote anonymous777...another example of how a small change can take the Living Word and turn it into a history book.

Anonymous777 the word Ye and thou refer to either a plural or singular address respectfully. Can you please explain to me how the modern versions have altered the meaning of the passage Whitestone quoted at the start of this thread and turned the living word into a history book as you have quoted.

It would help if you stick to the above mentioned passage and were specific.

Hi White_Stone,

I can see my original post was not as crystal clear to others as it was to me.

What I meant is (as it wasn't as clear as I thought at the time I wrote it), is: 'to the angel', includes 'the angel' as one also hearing the message, being a member of the assembly to whom it was addressed.

I hope that's clearer. I fully accept the basic thee/thou - you/ye singular - plural.

Alive to God and Whitestone,

I do understand what you are trying to say, how the word of God relates in some way to all of us.

I just strongly oppose Anonymous777 theory that the KJB has special properties that make it the only acceptable bible.

On the particular issue of addressing in the singular versus the plural, in Hebrew of course this is done, and I have found it interesting to note the significance of it when I studied Genesis. When God spoke to ONE person but used a plural form of 'you' (I noticed this using a Hebrew/ English interlinear bible).

The fact is though is not all languages are the same, and in modern english, we don't this distinction. The translators work faithfully to convey the meaning accurately in many languages, and I for one commend them for their efforts. Each version has strengths and weaknesses. As someone who speaks English only, I am just thankful for the choice of versions we have.