Controversy surrounds Mormonism comments by Fuller exec.

According to articles published in the Deseret News and Salt Lake Tribune as well as transcript of the speech provided by Mouw, he apologized at the event for evangelical Christians' misrepresentation of the Mormon beliefs.Do you know where we can get a copy of this speech transcript? I wonder how biased the media was in Utah since I belive 80% of people living in Utah are Mormons. Mormons are deceived and I would not doubt if this is biased in a negative way towards evangelical Christians.Grace,Doug

Thanks for letting us know. Two questions.First, what exactly did Mr.Mouw say, with as much context as is reasonable and possible?Second, does Standing Together Ministries and/or Mr. Zacharias approve of Mr. Mouw's comments?

According to articles published in the Deseret News and Salt Lake Tribune as well as transcript of the speech provided by Mouw, he apologized at the event for evangelical Christians' misrepresentation of the Mormon beliefs.I am convinced that Mormonism's roots and some current practice is demonic. I, also, would like to know what Mr Mouw has 'apologized for'.

Just found this from Ravi's site:http://www.rzim.org/faqs/newstext.php?id=62Another link at the end of the article...

Sorry, multitasking... here is another:http://www.rzim.org/faqs/newstext.php?id=63

There are a few more details on the Christianity Today website.

The full comments are not available (for free, at least), but the CT article did have a few quotes (from Mr. Mouw, I believe) :"Let me state it clearly. We evangelicals have sinned against you.""We've often seriously misrepresented the beliefs and practices of members of the LDS faith.""It's a terrible thing to bear false witness. … We've told you what you believe without first asking you.""I'm not being melodramatic when I say this is an historic occasion.""I remain convinced there are serious issues of difference that are of eternal consequence, but now we can discuss them as friends."I can agree with all 5 statements (though I'll have to take his word for it on the 4th, but that's not a particularly controversial one), and I'm glad he said the 5th, at least making somewhat clear that he isn't receiving the Mormon's as brethren in the sense that he thinks their going to heaven or anything like that.We have, no doubt, misrepresented the doctrine of the Mormons to some extent, particularly since there are two branches of that group. If Mr. Zacharias and the others thought that this kind of meeting and the kind of statements they made to be in line with the will of God in the matter, I won't necessarily say they were incorrect. Humbling oneself in repentance before an enemy that one has wronged is certainly in accordance with Scripture, my only concern is that the newfound friendliness not be misconstrued as support to the false idea that Mormons and Evangelicals are both right with God (one group or the other is deadly wrong, my position is that it's the Mormons).Lord, guide us as we tread the minefield...

Well said.My sentiments as well.

My instinct is to trust Ravi Zacharias' spirit in this enounter. He is a wonderfully able communicator and his work on post-modernism is very valuable. SIers unfamiliar with his organisation can find more at RZIMI am always uncomfortable when people claim to make statements or apologies on my behalf so I am much less comfortable with Mouw's contribution. I would need to have much more specific information for an apology than vague comments about misrepresentation of the Mormon position.

My instinct is to trust Ravi Zacharias' spirit in this enounter. He is a wonderfully able communicator and his work on post-modernism is very valuable. I can think of no one I would rather see speak at the even than Ravi Zacharias. The thing that glares at me is how little the 'average Mormon' understands about their doctrine. I live a few blocks from the RLDS (Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of latter Day Saints) World Headquarters. I once attended an RLDS funeral in which the minister gave a call to trust Christ that sounded so evangelical that I would not have known that he was RLDS. Yet, there are two 'temples' that sit side by side and one of them looks like the Tower of Babel, or a Ziggurat. It's the strangest looking building I have ever seen. Cars drive around in our area with Book of Mormon bumper stickers that tell people to pray and ask God if the words therein are true. I said that all to say this, there are people who are seriously deceived in the Mormon church who are really searching for God. This event could have been used by God to reach many of them. Yet, as brother Keith pointed out it is a minefield. We need to seriously pray about this and those who are involved in speaking with these people. There is so much compromise in the Church right now that just about anything crazy is possible.I have a cousin in law who is a LDS (the Salt Lake City sect) who was one of the most Christ-like acting individuals I have ever met. Yet, the mixture of truth and lies is absolutely deadly. I agree with Bro. Ron that the stuff seems to be highly demonic. And it is not wonderful, for Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. It is no great thing therefore if his ministers also transform themselves as ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. (II Corinthians 11:14,15 Darby) We need God's Divine Intervention!God Bless,-Robert

Re: Well said.My sentiments as well You can make a snake a pet but don't trust it,it'll still bite you given the chance.Mr. Mouw wants too say some thing I wish he would own HIS words and not speak for me.

Hi Raven,Think that's where this can get all off track. Just in the same sense that I wouldn't particualrly want the WOF camp speaking on my behalf, my sense was that 'often'(his word) is not a reach nor would I expect that to apply to all of us. As was alluded, we don't have the full comments and just as surely they have 'often' misrepresented 'us' I am sure...and no, I am not speaking for you either brother ;-)Ravi is not one I would find being to chummy with all this and you can bet he left them with plenty to think about.

"Ravi is not one I would find being to chummy with all this and you can bet he left them with plenty to think about."Yes indeed I like Ravi, I believe he speaks the truth.I was speaking about the other speaker, just wish some(HE) would own his words and not generalize and say we, but say Me,I or myself.