'Philadelphia 11' fighting PA "hate crimes" law

sermonindex Dec 2, 2004

Attorneys for 11 Philadelphia-area Christians arrested and charged with felonies after protesting at a homosexual event will announce new developments in the case tomorrow and will show a videotape of the controversial arrests.As WorldNetDaily reported, on October 10, the group was "preaching God's Word" to the crowd of people attending the outdoor Philadelphia OutFest event and displaying banners with biblical messages.After a confrontation with a group called the Pink Angels, which was described by protesters as "a militant mob of homosexuals," the eleven Christians were arrested and spent a night in jail.Eight charges were filed against them, including three felonies and five misdemeanors. The charges were: criminal conspiracy, possession of instruments of crime, reckless endangerment of another person, ethnic intimidation, riot, failure to disperse, disorderly conduct, and obstructing highways.The ethnic intimidation charge stems from Pennsylvania's "hate crimes" law – to which the newest "victim" category of "sexual orientation" was recently added. The protesters say a Philadelphia police officer told them that because they were on a public sidewalk they were permitted to move freely through the event. A few minutes later, however, they were arrested and removed.

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RobbieMcGee Dec 2, 2004

It is getting rough. A local pastor here got put on one of the homosexuals lists that they keep of so-called "hatemongers" preachers. He seems to think that the list only serves the purpose that if and when they set a federal banning speaking against homosexuals, they can go to the churchs and start arresting Christians for "hate crimes". Its getting bad, I was talking about it to an older friend from my B.C.(before Christ) days and I did not know that the girl he had married was a "bisexual" and she just about tore into me calling me a homophobe and whatnots. I stood my ground though and it come out that my friend agreed with me on the fact of it being an abomination. She didnt have much to say after that. Has anyone seen the program called "A Nation Adrift?" Its a really good program on the christian basis and heritage of USA and towards the end it shows actualy video clips of a homosexual organization rioting and trying to tear into a church that had spoke out against homosexuality. They were assaulting people who were trying to come to the church for the morning service and for the ones who were locked inside the church the group started screaming and chanting "WE WANT YOUR CHILDREN, GIVE US YOUR CHILDREN!" Yes its getting bad.

sermonindex Dec 2, 2004

In all due respect, no sir! Its just getting good.Think about this, to get tossed in the clink for Jesus? To suffer for the Name?"well Neil, you wouldn't be rejoicing when they were fingerprinting you". Probably not, but I would be praying in the Spirit that He'd fill me so full of the Spirit, that at midnight I'd be singing, "Here I am to worship" in that cell..

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KeithLaMothe Dec 2, 2004

I'd probably have a kind of joy while being fingerprinted if I knew that I was being arrested for serving the Lord (rather than doing something that deserved being arrested).In some ways, the faster all this falls down, the better. It'll be a chaotic period, but eventually (if it's not the very end) the Church will rise from the ashes and, by God's grace, reestablish order, if that's what God wants.But it would grieve me very much if our nation(s) finally proved incapable of properly using and being thankful for the myriad gifts that God has given us, that we could not simply live obediantly as children of God in this near-Paradise that He's given us (Paradise because that's what it would be if we obeyed Him, near because there would still be lingering problems). If we're really headed that way, soon, then I cannot morally try to raise a family, what would I be getting them into? Woe unto them that are bearing or nursing children in those days...We'll see if maybe God has restored some moral sanity to (some of) the people of the U.S., or if we're in our final decline.May the Lord have mercy upon us all... and may His will be done.

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dougkristen Dec 2, 2004

We need to pray for one of people who were arrested.Beverly Murch, a mother of 9 children who has a family evangelism ministry. Her daughter was also arrested as well.Go to:http://www.fullquivermission.com/She was recently diagnosed with Cancer.Grace,Doug

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dohzman Dec 3, 2004

Gen 19:10-11 And they smote the men that were ta the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door. There's something very big God about to do in the land, time to look up.

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Denny Dec 4, 2004

Small correction....Beverly Murch was not arrested but her daughter Lauren was.I was one of the group also.Life and Liberty Ministries

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Denny Dec 5, 2004

Read the Emergency Complaint that was just filed in Federal Courthttp://www.repentamerica.com/images/OutFest.PDF

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dougkristen Dec 5, 2004

Denny,What can we do to support you? Would you like us to come support you at the trial? Grace,Doug

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Gideons Dec 5, 2004

Brother Denny,Yes, please let us know. I will be in Philadelphia from Monday until Thursday morning. Not sure if you'll be there or in VA but feel free to ask and I'll certainly do what I csn.I won't have email access during the trip though so if there's something feel free to ask, just ask quickly. :-)

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RobbieMcGee Dec 5, 2004

Neilgin1 wrote:In all due respect, no sir! Its just getting good.Think about this, to get tossed in the clink for Jesus? To suffer for the Name?"well Neil, you wouldn't be rejoicing when they were fingerprinting you". Probably not, but I would be praying in the Spirit that He'd fill me so full of the Spirit, that at midnight I'd be singing, "Here I am to worship" in that cell..Neil, I totally agree with you. I guess what I was getting at is the decline in America is getting rough, the times are getting bad as they are prophecied to. I agree and I think things are only gonna get worse. I am running into Christians every day who are comforming to this new "prophetic" move of how soon God is gonna move and he's gonna give everything over to the Christians, He's gonna hand over the television airwaves to Christian majority(I know this cause I work for Christian TV station that have a belief that they are gonna have their Christian youth shows airing on MTV among other things). People saying God is gonna give the radio stations over to Christians. Basically there is a belief that God is unleashing a "prosperity" among his people and that he seeks to beautify the church. I talked to a guy the other day who sent me what was suppossed to be an inspirational message but ended up being very disturbing. He stated that the "former rain" was just to reach out to the lost and the "latter rain" is to beautify the church. In this said "beautifying" process it would glorify the Christians and the church so much that in so THAT would be what wins the masses to Jesus, THAT would be the reasoning for people wanting to join the kingdom of God. I think I may be getting into a whole other topic here and Im actually writing an article about it so Im gonna try to cut this part short. Anyhow, I believe Christians have much more opposition and persecution to come here in America, I know some Christians I have tried to share this with and they have treated me as if I was a doom and gloom theorist and that I was mislead in God's word because I havnt comformed to the modern "prophetic" movements and the prophecies that come out of these movements that are just Heretical to biblical teachings. I am having disagreements with people I love that are very close and dear to me and Im being told that I am to analytical in everything. They tell me that I analyze things right away too much, as I hear things. Correct me if Im wrong but I thought that is basic discernment. If one goes about their walk with God as to listening and hearing people preach messages but yet they never have their gaurd up and never check it out and see if it lines up with the word of God then they are gonna be decieved in no time at all. Want to talk Prophecy fulfillment?.. There is a great deception in the world of Christianity today that even the very elect are being fooled.Am I wrong? If so PLEASE rebuke me!!Am I right? If so please pray for me.I am looking for a church in my area with more Christians who are passionate in the truths of God's word.

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Denny Dec 5, 2004

"by dougkristen on 2004/12/4 22:19:52Denny,What can we do to support you? Would you like us to come support you at the trial? Grace,Doug"Honestly, I would ask that you pray that Judge Bradley Moss who will hear this case will judge righteously. The next preliminary hearing is on Dec. 14. We don't know yet when the trial will be. Having a presence at the trial is great but prayer from wherever you are is better. If you go to www.repentamerica.comRepent America you can find the contact information for the Philadelphia Police to speak out on our behalf.www.lifeandlibertyministries.com