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Of publicans and harlots

sermonindex Jun 18, 2011

Matt 21:31…Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Saving faith trusts Christ more than self. The religionist trusts his overcoming, his perseverance, his separation, his obedience, his Bible knowledge, his reasoning, his persecution, his humility, his good name, his walking a narrow path, his hanging on to salvation that he does not lose it, his profession of faith, his [Insert: any other thing that lifts him up]. He has so much trust in self and deeds of self that to trust Christ more than self is well-nigh impossible for him. Alternately, the open and vile sinner has little or nothing in self to trust so even the tiniest trust of Christ saves him. This is why the harlot and the publican will enter heaven before the upstanding religionist.


OJ

sermonindex Jun 18, 2011


Brother Joe, I think this is the hardest of all doctrines to keep balanced on and I've never thought I've ever had the proper balance for myself. It seems easy to help others, situation by situation, with this balance but all-in-all, I think this is the toughest of all to get balanced as a whole and consistently.
I love discussing doctrine, but this is the toughest to live out. The other doctrines are not so much ones that we have to "live out" but this one definitely is.
Where we stand with GOD is a fearful thing or can be.
Some seem to stay so sure of themselves or of their salvation and others swing the opposite direction and stay unsure.
Phew! I don't desire to get into whether any of us believe OSAS or any of that - just to reach a Biblical Balance between our part of Obedience - of working out our own salvation with fear and trembling and the part where "the work that He began, He will finish".
My faith in HIM for WHO HE IS is high, but I can't claim to have that enormous amount of faith in eternal "security".
I don't lack faith in His Keeping Power - but struggle with doubts at times about whether I'm saved at times.
I've seen the extremes of both sides. I've seen folks living in sin and claiming "OSAS" and then there's folks like me that are far from consistently feeling eternally secure. Two extremes!
Trying to get a handle on it and asked a very dear and Godly Saint yesterday to continue to pray for me to see clearly on this one doctrine. She's not of the osas camp but seems to have gotten hold of the balance - that we must remember that we'll never get There by our own righteousness and I felt the 'Amen' in my spirit but then I can come up with tons of verses that speak of our part in this walk.
I think of the fear of failing Him.

For every verse you post of "His part" in our salvation - I can give you twice as many for "our part" and that's the thing about the balance.

Don't know if you can understand where I'm coming from, as they say, but I'm trying to express a battle.
I know I have no righteousness of my own. I know that in my flesh dwelleth no good thing -- I am Very cognizant of these facts but I wonder, how do we see how imperfect we are and yet have confidence in our salvation?
When some folks try to answer that - I see the other extreme of "we don't have to do a thing - HE does it all" and here comes that truck load of Scriptures that speak of our part in this Relationship. Sigh! Trying to find a balance that gets eyes off of self somehow.

Thanks for hearing me out. Thanks for posting again.

Jesus 'is' GOD!

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White_Stone Jun 18, 2011

Jesus 'is' God said:

For every verse you post of "His part" in our salvation - I can give you twice as many for "our part" and that's the thing about the balance.

The way I see things is this: We could not 'do' *Our Part* without Him giving it to us to do.

You said

Thanks for hearing me out. Thanks for posting again.

I agree, I am grateful for the presence of Old Joe here, as well.

white stone

sermonindex Jun 18, 2011

For every verse you post of "His part" in our salvation - I can give you twice as many for "our part" and that's the thing about the balance.

Good of you to bring this one up WS.

I daresay that it is not possible to give me twice as many verses on "our part" of our salvation other than "believing or trusting", any other verse that would be quoted would deal not with justification, but rather with sanctification. Salvation is DONE, it is sanctification that is DO.

But that would be a whole other thread.


OJ

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White_Stone Jun 18, 2011

Dear OJ,

Salvation is DONE, it is sanctification that is DO.

Does that mean Salvation is DONE,
it is sanctification that is 'to' DO.??

It seems a word is missing. Or is it my misunderstanding?

WS

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ginnyrose Jun 18, 2011

OJ,

In my experience the out 'n out sinners are more open, more likely to be honest with you concerning the state of their soul.

The person who has abandoned the faith or is an apostate will be given to arguing, much like the scribes and Pharisees.

I used to say I would much rather witness, share with a sinner then with a church goer who has mere head knowledge who knows little or nothing what it means to walk with the LORD. They have theology down pat but little else. (We had in our town an atheist who knew the Bible well and loved to debate it with anyone who cared to challenge him. I never did hear that he came to the LORD - don't even know what happened to him. It has been said he was a part of military intelligence during WW2 and this impacted his faith, or the lack of it.)

My two cents...

sermonindex Jun 19, 2011

In my experience the out 'n out sinners are more open, more likely to be honest with you concerning the state of their soul.

Yes, that is nearly always the case, it's because they have little or nothing to hide behind.

The atheist you know of is as bound in his religion as any religionist, and would have hid behind intellectualism.

OJ


sermonindex Jun 19, 2011

WS

That is pretty well what it means, it was meant to be a play on the do/done salvation terminology.

Sorry about that.

OJ

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White_Stone Jun 19, 2011

Hi OJ,

Glad I understood it right. :)

You have nothing to be sorry for, thanks for confirming my understanding.

Kindest regards,
white stone

sermonindex Jun 19, 2011

Brother Joe, I think this is the hardest of all doctrines to keep balanced on and I've never thought I've ever had the proper balance for myself. It seems easy to help others, situation by situation, with this balance but all-in-all, I think this is the toughest of all to get balanced as a whole and consistently. I love discussing doctrine, but this is the toughest to live out. The other doctrines are not so much ones that we have to "live out" but this one definitely is. Where we stand with GOD is a fearful thing or can be. Some seem to stay so sure of themselves or of their salvation and others swing the opposite direction and stay unsure.

So true.

that we must remember that we'll never get There by our own righteousness and I felt the 'Amen' in my spirit but then I can come up with tons of verses that speak of our part in this walk. I think of the fear of failing Him. For every verse you post of "His part" in our salvation - I can give you twice as many for "our part" and that's the thing about the balance. Don't know if you can understand where I'm coming from, as they say, but I'm trying to express a battle. I know I have no righteousness of my own.

I hear ya! You are expressing my own thoughts.

sermonindex Jun 19, 2011


Have been very blessed by a PM I received and so glad to feel the freedom to bring these things up here. I need to ruminate on some Scripture given and realize that many of the Authors of old that we read on this Website have gone through similar struggles - working out the finer points of salvation within their understanding, that come at us from two different camps.

And that the line between LEGALISTS and REPROBATES is down the middle. Neither, on either side are saved by grace through faith. But Loving GOD with all of our heart, mind, soul and strength will bring on many a battle with the enemy of our souls, who would love to get us to one of those capitalized extremes or the other - both of which are "flesh" and 'pride'.

Thank you!

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savannah Jun 19, 2011


"Once the Devil was walking along with one of his cohorts. They saw a man ahead of them pick up something shiny. 'What did he find?' asked the cohort. 'A piece of the truth,' the Devil replied. 'Doesn't it bother you that he found a piece of the truth?' asked the cohort. 'No,' said the Devil, I will see to it that he makes a religion out of it.'"
K. Snodgras

Just over four hundred years ago, in late October, a young Augustinian monk, professor of theology and pastor in Whittenburg, Germany, in the fire of his zeal for Christian truth, nailed 95 thesis to the door of the Castle Church. He had left the study of law and entered the priesthood, seeking to be justified before God. His name was Martin Luther. As a result of studying the Scriptures, he discovered biblical truths that had long been covered and obscured by the ritual and rubble of Rome. One of the great truths then restored to the Church was justification by faith alone.

The issue before us today is not a denial of justification by faith alone, but rather a perversion of that doctrine. Present-day preaching often excludes the possibility of spurious (or non saving) faith; however, religious deception is the worst kind of deception because of it's eternal consequences. We must distinguish properly between justifying faith, and a spurious or counterfeit faith.

The Bible very clearly warns against spurious faith; therefore, I wish to direct attention to it's warnings and note some differences between spurious and true believers. I intend to cite biblical cases of spurious faith, showing that the Scriptures teach the existence of belief which is not saving faith. I propose also to to define true faith and give some biblical examples of that faith which savingly joins one to Jesus Christ for all eternity.

Spurious or Counterfeit Faith

The Bible teaches that there is spurious faith. In the parable of the sower, Jesus spoke of temporary faith. "They on the rock are they, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away" (Luke 8:13). These believers recieved the word with joy and believed for a season; but in the time of trial, they fell away. They lacked "root and fruit" and they did not continue.

Paul spoke of "Believing in vain" (Cor. 15:2). This is non-saving faith. Though it has many marks of true saving faith, the evidence of temporary faith soon appears. It lacks the following characteristics of saving faith: (1) continuance in trusting Christ, and in devotion to Him and His service; (2) desire to be useful in Christ's church; (3) attendance to Christian duty; (4) love of prayer and the Word of God and of assembling with God's people in worship; (5) devotion to loving the people of God as such; (6) progress in knowledge of self, sin, and the Savior; (7) progress in loving holiness and hating sin, with increased conviction of and humility concerning personal sinfulness.

A very vivid example of spurious faith is the case of Simon Magus. Of him it is written, "Then Simon himself believed also; and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip" (Acts 8:13) as far as Paul had. Although Paul believed all the Scripture before his conversion, his faith was not saving faith. Note also Agrippa. "King Agrippa, do you believe the prophets? I know that you do believe" (Acts 26:27). But this faith did not save him.

James speaks of dead faith (James 2:17, 26), the giving of mere mental assent to certain historical facts. He also speaks of devils' faith (James 2:19). This is a religious appropriation of these facts. The demons have a sound confession. They believe in the person ("Jesus, thou Son of God") and the power ("art thou come to torment us?") of Christ (Matt. 8:29).

It is indeed searching and solemn to discover how much the Bible speaks of unsaved people having faith in the Lord. Though it seems incredible, there are those willing to have Christ as their Savior, yet who are most reluctant to submit to Him as their Lord, to be at His command, and to be governed by His laws. But more shocking still, there are unregenerate persons who profess Christ as Lord, and yet are not in possession of saving faith. The scriptural proof of this assertion is found in Matthew 7:22, 23: "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!" Here is a large class (many) who profess subjection to Christ as Lord, who do many mighty works in His name, and thus can even show you their faith by their works, and yet theirs is not saving faith. "Depart form Me," said Jesus.

It is impossible to say how far non-saving faith may go or how close it may resemble true saving faith. Saving faith has Christ as its object; so has spurious faith. "Many believed in His name when they saw the signs which He did. But Jesus did not commit Himself to them, because He knew all men," (John 2:23, 24). Saving faith is wrought by the Holy Spirit; so also spurious faith has an apparent spirituality and may even partake to some degree of illuminating grace (Hebrews 6:4). Saving faith is a receiving of the Word of God so also is spurious faith. "But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately received it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles." (Matt. 13:20, 21). Saving faith will cause a man to prepare for the coming of the Lord; so will spurious faith. Both the foolish and the wise virgins had the lamp of profession--they all trimmed their lamps and said "Lord, Lord"--but half heard the answer, "I know you not" (Matt. 25:1-13). Saving faith is accompanied with joy; so is spurious faith. "they on the rock....receive the word with joy (Luke 8:13).

When we realize how far spurious faith can go in its counterfeits, we are prone to say, "All this is very unsettling and confusing." Yes, it is distressing! But, if we value our souls or care for the souls of others, we will not dismiss this subject lightly. Since the Bible teaches that there is a faith in Christ which does not save and that it is easy to be deceived, we must earnestly seek the help of the Spirit. The Spirit Himself cautions us at this very point, "A deceived heart has turned him aside" (Isa. 44:20). "The pride of your heart has deceived you" (Obad. 3). "Take heed that you are not deceived" (Luke 21:8).

Satan uses his cunning and power most tenaciously and successfully in convincing people that they have saving faith when they do not. He deceives more souls by this stratagem than by all other devices combined. How many Satan-blinded souls will read this and say, "It does not apply to me; I know that my faith is genuine." Satan dissuades many from heeding that most salutary exhortation: "Examine yourselves, whether you are in the faith; prove your own selves" (Cor. 13:5). We will consider this text later.

Our Lord's parables show that He continually warned against self-deception. Spiritual houses often look the same until the storm of God's judgement comes (Matt. 7:24-27). Then it is revealed that one house is spurious (built on sand) and one is genuine (built on rock). Wheat and tares look so much alike that only the Lord Himself can separate them (Matt. 13:24-30).

Failure to recognize the Bible's teaching on counterfeit faith has led to other errors. The tendency is to treat spurious believers as saved but not consecrated or filled with the Spirit. The folly is often compounded by calling those who give no Bible evidence of saving faith carnal Christians, since they do not act like Christians. The solution to this unbiblical dilemma is sought in some kinds of second experience or second work of grace. Thus there is constant appeal to the carnal Christian, who in reality is a spurious believer, to finally surrender to Christ's lordship and be filled with (even baptized in) the Spirit.

The great theologians of the past recognized that the Bible distinguishes between spurious faith and saving faith. Charles Hodge speaks of historical or speculative faith, temporary faith and saving faith (Systematic Theology 3:67-68). James P. Boyce, one of the greatest Southern Baptist theologians and principal founder of their first seminary, speaks of implicit faith, historical faith, temporary or delusive faith, and saving faith (Abstract of Systematic Theology, pp. 389-94). With these great men of God, we hold tenaciously to that great hopeful and liberating truth of the Bible--justification by faith alone. But we also recognize that faith which is alone is not the faith which justifies.

True Saving Faith Described

Regeneration is inseparable from its effects, one of which is saving faith. Without regeneration it is morally and spiritually impossible to savingly believe in Christ. Except a man be born again, he cannot see, he cannot understand, he cannot come to Christ (John 3:3; 6:37, 44; 1 Cor. 2:14). Regeneration is the renewing of the heart and mind; and the renewed heart and mind must act according to their nature.

Regeneration is the act of God alone. But faith is not the act of God. It is not God who believes in Christ for salvation; it is the sinner. Although it is by God's grace alone that a person is able to believe, faith is an activity of the person alone. In saving faith we receive and rest upon Christ alone for salvation. True, this is a strange, and to some extent, undefinable mixture. but this is precisely what the Bible teaches. This is God's way of salvation, expressing His supreme wisdom, power, and grace.

The Acting of True Saving Faith

True justifying faith is, in the Lord's deep wisdom and condescension, variously expressed in Scripture according to its different actings toward God and its outgoings after Him. True faith is sometimes spoken of as a desire for union with God in Christ--as a willing. And the Spirit and the bride say, "Come!" And let him who hears say, "Come!" And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely. (Rev. 22:17). Scripture also speaks of looking to Him. "Look unto me and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth" (Isa. 45:22; this text was used of God in Spurgeon's conversion). This may be the weakest act of faith. True faith is also expressed as hungering and thirsting after righteousness" (Matt. 5:6).

True faith sometimes goes out in the act of leaning on the Lord; the soul taking up Christ as a resting-stone because God has so offered Christ. Though He may be a stumbling-stone and a rock of offense to others, true faith is not ashamed of Him (Rom. 9:33). The acting of true faith is sometimes expressed in Scripture as

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White_Stone Jun 19, 2011

Dear savannah,

all those words, my eyes, my eyes, have pity on my old eyes, can't you summarize in one or two paragraphs? Preferably Scripture and not man's words?

white stone

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twayneb Jun 19, 2011

Matt 21:31…Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. Saving faith trusts Christ more than self. The religionist trusts his.....

Old_Joe: Very true brother. It is the difference between approaching God in my own righteousness, which is really that of the law, and hoping that God will approve and having the righteousness of Christ which is not of my own doing but rather of His grace and sacrifice. The man who does not have much to offer and realizes full well his own need to lean entirely on Christ is the man who most readily enters the kingdom. So are the publicans and harlots in Jesus' example.

I see the "His Part / My Part" discussion emerging. I might just leave a comment that could be helpful to that discussion.

There is a view that is, I believe, quite incomplete that says that we have simply to "accept" the sacrifice of Christ in our stead and believe in what He did to be born again. It is the "come forward, make the declaration, sign the response card, and go on about your business" approach. I believe when many who say, "we have a part as well" have criticism this is the view that they find fault with, and I believe rightfully so. The other extreme are those who see salvation as something that is received by some blend of grace and works. There are all sorts of shades of belief on this end, and all of them are, I believe, missing it as well.

Actually, we do best to simply hold to what scripture says plainly. We find that salvation is a free gift in that we can do nothing to earn it (pay to receive it so to speak). It is totally God's grace manifested in Jesus' sacrifice that opened the way for us to be found righteous in the sight of God. So we can now be found not having our own righteousness (which we all know is as filthy rags) but rather the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. But we also find that salvation costs us absolutely everything. Jesus said if any man would come after Me let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me. Paul makes it very plain in Romans 6 that to be born again means first to have died. It is only as I die to the self-life that I can have the God-life living in me. To be born again means that the old man must be crucified.

So do we have a part to play? Certainly. It is in coming to the end of ourselves and believing on Christ as our only hope of righteous relationship with God. Our part is to present ourselves a living sacrifice. Rebirth cannot occur without death. Everything subsequent to that, the work we refer to as sanctification, is an outflow of the God-life, of Christ living through us. We are empowered by His grace to live a life of sacrifice, a life of purity, a life of holiness. Remember that Paul said to Titus that it is the grace of God that teaches us that denying un-Godly lusts we should live righteously. The gift of God's grace empowers us to live holy, to live a sanctified life set apart unto God. Sure, we must determine to live this way. We must make that decision, but after the decision is made the power source is not of ourselves or we will certainly fail.

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mikey2 Jun 19, 2011

Amen Joe.

Psa 34:22 The LORD redeemeth the soul of his servants: and none of them that trust in him shall be desolate.

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Lou77 Jul 2, 2011

An example I like to remember was the tax collector and the Pharisee that Jesus gave of two men in the temple. One that stood off in the back of the temple and beat upon his breast unable to look upward in shame for his sin, and he asked god to have mercy on him a sinner.
The other man declared he was glad he was not like the other more sinful men who were robbers, evildoers, adulterers, that he fasted and tithed regularly.

Jesus stated the first went home justified and the other man not. Everyone who exalts himself will be humbled and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

It is hard to remember this at times. The proud shall be brought low. The balance is delicate and we have one to turn to when we stumble. For all have sinned and fallen short. Our fruits speak more about us than our words.

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menderofnets Jul 2, 2011

A wonderful thread and very encouraging. Thank you all for your comments.

Old Joe said: "Salvation is DONE, it is sanctification that is DO"

I hear you! Praise God for first and second - His work all of it, so we can't boast. Rather than boasting, when we think about it all we realise how little capacity we have for giving God what he requires all by ourselves. It takes God to do God's work in us.

The more I go on, the more I am grateful for ongoing grace, and more aware of how much my life depends absolutely on Him, and the need to be discerning as to whether I'm acting on my own opinions or on what God actually says.

Perpetual humility required...

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ceedub Jul 5, 2011

Joe, excellent initial thread. Well said.

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