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Do you really love Jesus? American "Christianity"

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tedlock Dec 16, 2004

A new website has popped up questioning whether most american "christians" base their salvation on "Hearing, knowing and following" the Jesus of the Bible or the American Jesus preached from many pulpits; which produces "converts" that in no way resembles the form of Christianity found in the New Testament.Here is the link: http://gospel.ne1.net/Real revival requires the real Jesus2 Cor 11:4

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tedlock Dec 17, 2004

For if one comes and preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted, you bear this beautifully.

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SteveL Dec 18, 2004

It is my understanding from the Spirit that the jesus being preached and accepted in a great many "churches" today is not the Scriptural Jesus, Yeshua, the Son of God, at all but is an imposter whose name is pronounced the same as the Name of the True One. It is also my understanding that much of what is called "church" today is not the ecclesia that Jesus said that He would build but is instead a part of the Strong Delusion that God has sent to trick those who would not receive the "..love of the truth.."

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adonaisarmy Dec 19, 2004

I would have to agree with your statement Stephen. The Christianity that is being displayed in America today for the most part is not the christianity of the bible, but it is quite the opposite. Such is preached:Remission of sins is preached without REPENTENCE, let alone true repentence!Salvation without a COST! Salvation without TRUST IN THE MERITS OF CHRIST!Salvation by works!Grace without FAITH!Favor and blessing without OBEDIENCE!Greater stress on storing up teasures on earth than in HEAVEN!Prosperity to those who are Lovers of money, and a formula to manipulate God to get it! ie " Prayer of Jabez, ie preacher says you give "sow" to his sinful lust and God bless you to your sinful lust for money.THE BIBLE THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES (CANON) ARE NO LONGER LOOKED UPON AS: the word of God, that they are God breathed. That men were full of the holy ghost led by the holy ghost in writing, that they are not the opinions of men but the very words of God.2 Peter 1:20 20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.That Holy scriptures are profitable for reprof for instruction in righteousness. 2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"That it is our manual for living a Godly life. The old and new testaments are one Book! Meaning they are both the word of God and are equally authorative in our lives.Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. One may say that the old testament doesnt really apply to me because its for those who were in the old covenant and im in the new covenant so the new testament is all i have to read and be in submission to. 2Ti 3:16 This scripture Is referring to the OLD COVENANT SCRIPTURES, when Paul was writing that he was not refering to much of the new testament that wasnt written but to the old covenant scriptures. Because in vs 15 he says 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. Not olny that but Old covenant and new covenant or testaments are not the name of these books of scriptures, these are names put on these many different books,epistles, and so forth, Showing that these writings are writings during the old covenant and these during the new, but the writings themselves are not the old and new covenant. But the bible is look on as mens opinions, just stories, boring. Only theologians study the bible, the word Theologian is one who studys God. in 2 Tim 2:15 15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."Are we not all commanded to be STUDIERS? showing our selves approved unto God, are we not to be a WORKMAN? One that need not be ashamed but who does RIGHTLY DIVIDE THE WORD OF TRUTH?Will working in a blacksmith shop once or twice a week for 15 min or 30, make you a true workman, one who need not be ashamed and who can Really make a work of art, who knows is tools like the back of his hand? Will training 15 min a day once or twice a week prepare a runner to win a race?Im preaching to my self.John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might KNOW thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."That word know is relationship, as a Husband knows his wife. It is intamicy.How can you really know someone only spending so little time with them?Most supposed "christians" go to a building on "sun-day" sit and listen, and watch for an hour and then go home, and that is there extent of there relationship with Jesus. They believe if they go to a congregation, pay my tithes, be a good person, that Im saved, and Im doing good.But none of those things give you Salvation, none of them make you good, none of them mean your doing good. Jas 1:27 "Pure RELIGION and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world."There are so many that just make a descion for Christ but never truly heard the gospel message. They are told Just believe and you are saved, that is true statment but that is not the entirety of what scripture says about how one must be saved nore is it the entirety of the gospel message. To display or tell on that if they just believe on jesus and they shall be saved yet tell them nothing else is only telling them a half truth, and displaying that half truth as if it were the whole truth this is decepetive.If sin is not discussed how will one know what is he being saved from, or what he is confessing and turning from?I think Paris Reidhead in his sermon "ten shekels and a shirt" from Judges 17 depicts the present day crisis in Chrisitianity and one of the key reasons for it. Humanism. Which goes all the way back to when satan told Eve you can be God. Humanism says the end of all being is the happiness of man. Everything is about making man happy.I Believe we truly need to get back to our roots of our faith. We also need to study the history of the church what has gone on in the past 2000 years, I think when we study this we find and truly see why christianity today looks like the way it does. We truly must be willing to give up all for Him, I think many of us are going to be shocked what we have believed for so long was ok was not, Our Lord is calling us to Wake up! and chose this day whome were going to serve.Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.Satan has placed many things in our society today to distract us away from our first love. Phil 4:8 is a great scripture to ask ourselves is what i look at and meditate every day any of those things if it isnt i shouldnt be looking at it. ie video games, sec movies & tv. Things that seem helpless or harmless, yet are deadly.Does your Pastor, Elder, Bishop, whom your submiting yourself under do they fill the description in1Ti 3:1-13 on those positions; If they dont come close to that they shouldnt be in that position, and you should not be under them.Those is the requirements to be in that position. 1 Tim 4:1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth."One cannot depart from the faith unless he is in the faith, so some whom are of the Faith, They will speak lies as, saying that they are the truth. Satan has worked on searing many minds, and seducing many souls, many are delousioned, and decieved 2 Peter 2:1-22 Peter warns of such, And our Lord Mth 24:24 "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."We are warned they they WILL show GREAT SIGNS and WONDERS, and if possible they shall decieve the very elect. Satan has been working on decensistizing the church so when such rise up that the messege they preach will be identical to what those in the faith believe. They will be all ready to be sifted. They will be Wolves in sheeps clothings, and they were Pauls lifetime already, and they are in ours this day! 2 Cor 11:14-15 "And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."How will we spot and now these, we must have the knowledge of the truth, firstly.Many say doctrine is not important anymore, many say unity and peace is more important than doctrine, I say without doctrine stood upon and revered there cannot be true doctrine nor true peace but only a superfical peace and unity. Lets see what the bible says: These are all scriptures talking about Jesus Christ's Doctrine:Mt 7:28, Mt 16:12,Mt 22:33,Mr 1:22,Mr 1:27,Mr 4:2 ,Mr 11:18,Mr 12:38,Lu 4:32,Joh 7:16,Joh 7:17 ,Joh 18:19 , REV 2:14,15,24.Ac 2:42 "And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ DOCTRINE and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."Ac 13:12,Ac 17:19 , Ro 6:17 "But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of DOCTRINE which was DELIVERED you."1Co 14:6 "Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I PROFIT you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by DOCTRINE?", 1Ti 1:3 "As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach NO OTHER DOCTRINE,"1Ti 1:10 "For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to SOUND DOCTRINE;"1Ti 4:13 "Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, TO DOCTRINE."1Ti 4:16 "TAKE HEED unto thyself, AND UNTO THE DOCTRINE; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both SAVE THYSELF, AND THEM THAT HEAR THEE." 1 Tim 6:3 " 3 IF ANY MAN TEACH OTHERWISE, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the DOCTRINE which is according to godliness;4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,"2Ti 4:3 "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;"!!2Jo 1:9 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the DOCTRINE of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son", 2Jo 1:10 "If there come any unto you, and BRING NOT THIS DOCTRINE, RECIEVE HIM NOT into your house, neither bid him God speed:"Brothers and sisters we have a great stewardship in these last days, let us be seekers of the truth, let us be the true bride without spot or wrinkle, let us be a holy priest hood, let us be a true light in this world. Let us seek to have true unity and peace, let us Warn those who are being decieved and remember Ezekiel and his commission Ezekiel 1:1-, I would like to give the address to a site that has many good awakening teachings, and refererneces www.crosstv.comBlessings joshua

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dohzman Dec 23, 2004

--I agree some what , but here's what I see first hand and have to fight against everywhere I speak. Jesus is the messiah and The messiah is God. That's one of the things. God has called us to be disciples but the DISCIPLES were call-ed by the world, christians -- they reconized us as little christs or thoughs set apart for Christ, a reflection of his personage. Peter talks about thoughs who run greedily after gain like Baalim(who by the way was refered to by God as a prophet).Baalim actually caused 2 things to happen and you see it in the church today---- 1) These preachers have to invent doctrine to get money, thats the greed part, as a result they teach thoughs who don't know any better how to lust or be greedy for again. 2) Baalim told balak how to get the children of Isreal- out of the will and favor of God(intermarriage---which is an example of making other covenants) , we see this played out in the church with many believing that gain is godliness and really whats happening is they love the world(John said if you love the world or its things the love Of God is not in you, and also that love of the world puts you as an enemy of God)This moves the church away from the plans and purposes of God, and causes the love of many to wax cold---keeping in place with Jesus' prophesy about the end time conditions of the hearts. True faith is expressed by love and so it has become a battle ground of sound doctrine verses false doctrine in the church.I believe the strong delusion you speak of is that form of godilness but denying the power there of---in other words, lack of holiness and overcoming sins and this world,thats because of lack of power because the church has become worldily and lost its love for the truth and Jesus.Evidence is Jesus' statement where he asked"when the son of man returns will he find faith on earth?"

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rocklife Dec 28, 2004

Here's a kind of poem my mom made describing her thoughts on the way Jesus Christ's true love to God is being ignored and made into superficial churchianity.According to American churches you are not loving if you tell the whole truth. (Jesus told the whole truth.) According to American churches you are not loving if you don’t know how to talk without offending anybody. (Jesus offended many people.) According to American churches if you don’t know how to be superficial you are not loving. (Jesus is not superficial.) According to American churches if you expose evil deeds you are not loving. (Jesus exposed evil deeds.) In conclusion, according to them Jesus Christ is not loving. No wonder American churches are not fruitful. They don’t believe His Way is the right way. They have their own idea of being loving. “Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple.” God cannot be mocked!

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Gideons Dec 28, 2004

The modern church in America has distorted who Jesus is and has a "cotton candy" (i.e. sentimental) view of Jesus. That's why many people feel threatened when convicted of sin and gloss over huge sections of scripture. What do you mean I have to repent? I have to carry a cross daily? I have to lay everything down to follow you?I pray that this erroneous view of our Lord and Saviour be destroyed. Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. I pray that we see Jesus for who He is and not how the church has commonly portrayed Him, at least here in the U.S.

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