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Bedson Aug 9, 2011

Hi all,

I'm in need of some kind of directions or suggestions.
Here is my story:

I've been a church goer since the age of 9, where I went along to the local Pente. Church because it was a family that I never had. I got baptized because it was the thing to do, and I served and was a good member but had no clue about where I stood in relation to God and eternity.
Fast forward 10 years later, and I left home and moved in with some fellow young Christians. I went along to their church, and promptly encountered God and finally got washed and received the inner witness and assurance. I was healed of emotional hurts from my childhood, I started excelling in everything I did and got numerous promotions at work (was youngest and newest in my office, but the favour was unbelieveable). I was also healed of a recurring collapsed lung; my point is that I was in a place where the life of God was everywhere, I had the Holy Ghost like crazy, and I would encounter miracles very often. It was definitely the fulfillment of 3 prophecies I had as a young kid.
Now I want to further expound on this church I was a part of; The pastor is fairly well-known in certain circles, and the church was aligned with the likes of Benny Hinn, Jesus Culture, etc etc. Pretty much the newly emerging 'holy ghost rollers' with great emphasis on physical healing. The church is mostly extremely exuberant and 'know-it-all' under 30's.
I somehow came across Ravenhill, Tozer, Reidhead, and many others, and was hungry for so much of those sermons. I brought old books and devoured them, even purchasing a $300 copy of a John Wesley Redfield biography from the USA. At this stage I was growing very fast, and felt this path of teaching was God-inspired. However, I was the only one in the church using this material.

Basically what happened was, the church would jump from one currently popular anointed christian worship leader/group, and I would struggle to keep up with the culture and feel condemned. There was a definite anointing and much movement of the spirit, but I didn't really want to be moving here or there for the latest global movement. Some of my peers and leaders were making comments about how I should do this, or do that, or less of that, or don't do that. So many conflicting pressures, and I was eventually labelled as rebellious. All this lead to much hurt, anger and honestly, bitterness toward a few people.
I stopped attending because my spiritual life and walk with God just fell apart, and I was having to see a psychiatrist for a few months. I took a break to figure out who I am and to reflect. I prayed, and released those who I felt hurt me. During this time I totally shut myself off from the church, because anyone trying to contact me would bring up a terrible sorrow of the 'death' of my faith.

My dilemma is that I want to be right with God, however since I left the church He has totally gone silent (with exception for a few touches from the Spirit) and my appetite for anything spiritual is virtually nil. I can't pretend that He isn't who He is, and I know that I am to serve in some capacity in the future. I used to wake up in the mornings with the warmth of the Holy Spirit on my shoulders (like walking under a heater), and I greatly miss that companionship and rich personal fellowship. I yearn to walk into building again, and just meet with God, with no condemnation from people. I don't want to go back, because I don't want to be part of a 'zealously spiritual expansionist' movement. But I also know there is a correlation between me leaving the church, and the severing of the spirit from my life.

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MyVeryHeart Aug 9, 2011

Hello,

I don't know very much about God, or how to meet God.

I met with him on a mountain and we have been walking together ever since. I just listened to a sister share about the work amongst the heroine addicts in Hong Kong. Like her, I just want to love Jesus and other people. That's all it is to me now. I know he is coming back soon, and that his Spirit is working mightily among the poor and destitute, like myself, my brothers, and sisters around the world. This brings me much peace and joy, because Jesus is getting the love that he deserves, and my brothers and sisters are rejoicing with the angels in heaven as the lost are found.

I posted a link below about that sister's testimony about how God uses the foolish things. I will pray for you. Peace in Christ.

Travis

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=18861&commentView=itemComments

sermonindex Aug 9, 2011

Bedson,

Brother put away Ravenhill, Wesley, etc. There is only one book you need, the New Testament. Get alone with God. You ask him to meet you in the pages of his word. Then start reading in Mathews and go all the way through to Revelation. If you have not met Christ somewhere in the pages of his word then read it again and again until he shows up. The promise of scripture is come near to me and I will come near to you. Also those that seek God must believe that he exist and he rewards those who seek him.

Will keep you on prayer. God speed to you.

Blaine

sermonindex Aug 9, 2011

Bedson your story sounds somewhat familiar to mine. That is, I too have had the Holy Spirit in my life His tender touch for over 30 years. He may have worked somewhat different in my life. But the Lord lead me and spoke things to me and revealed things to me. I had a great intercessory prayer ministry. But one day about 18 months ago, I woke up and the Holy Spirit had moved far away from me. Why? SIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was a long standing sin problem and eventually the Lord just said, "enough". My life has been very painful ever since. For several months I wanted to die and commit suicide.

You say at the very end, "But I also know there is a correlation between me leaving the church and the severing of the spirit from my life"

Sorry, brother but it has nothing to do with it in a relgious sense. I believe the only reason the Holy Spirit may have moved away from you is because of sin in your own life. I don't know the details of that. But if I was in your position I would say forget ministry, forget prosperity ministry, forget healing ministry, just Lord Jesus what have I done to offend you, and what can I do to have you back in my life with your close touch and your anointing again? Who the heck cares about anything else?

Thanks.

sermonindex Aug 9, 2011

Get back to the Bible. Period.

Go one step further than martyr suggested, I recommend the entire Bible... not just the New Testament.

The last poster may or may not be right. There does not necessarily have to be some deep rooted sin in your life. Thats really bad theology. Sometimes we go thru the desert because God takes us thru the desert... and He has His reasons. The last poster sounds just like Job's friends.

Maybe there is sin, and if so... deal with it. But I think God is simply stripping all the fluff away from you and getting you down to the core of things. I went thru a similar thing. Glad I did!

Get back to the Word and nothing else.

Krispy

sermonindex Aug 9, 2011

"But I also know there is a correlation between me leaving the church, and the severing of the spirit from my life."

In your concluding statement there you really talk about where the rubber meets the road. But, you're kind of short on details there. I just know in my own life the Holy Spirit didn't leave because I changed churches.

But your post in spite of how long it is is also vague about a lot of things. What do you mean the Holy Spirit severed? You mean you lost the anoiting for miracles? Do you mean you didn't have His soft touch when you would pray? Do you mean He just moved away from you in all areas of your life?

Were you trying to live a spiritual life in the power of the flesh? Satan will always come to collect if you do this. Sorry brother, but I still don't understand why the Holy Spirit moved away from you. I honestly don't think it had anything to do with you leaving that church. But I have heard stories of the Holy Spirit leaving men who embraced some kind of false teaching and didn't repent of it. I think you are going to have to be more forthcoming about what is going on in your life. Here's a good read on grieving or quenching the Holy Spirit:

http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0278.htm

Quote from Spurgeon below:

"Hearken to me for a moment, and God bless the words. Brother, stay not a moment in a condition so perilous; be not easy for a single second in the absence of the Holy Ghost. I beseech you use every means by which that Spirit may be brought back to you. Once more, let me tell you distinctly what the means are. Search out for the sin that has grieved the Spirit, give it up, slay that sin upon the spot; repent with tears and sighs; continue in prayer, and never rest satisfied until the Holy Ghost comes back to you. Frequent an earnest ministry, get much with earnest saints, but above all, be much in prayer to God, and let your daily cry be, "Return, return, O Holy Spirit return, and dwell in my soul." Oh, I beseech you be not content till that prayer is heard, for you have become weak as water, and faint and empty while the Spirit has been away from you."

And here's another good link on the subject, and it is a lot shorter:

http://jameslau88.com/a_christian_is_one_who_has_the_holy_spirit_in_him.html

sermonindex Aug 9, 2011

Endzone... I just want to let you know my comment was not meant as a slam. I just disagree that it what he is going thru is necessarily cause by a sin. It could be, but may not be. Since we do not know this gentleman we need to be careful not to draw hard line conclusions.

Krispy

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Bedson Aug 10, 2011

I'm very appreciative of the replies, and there are some valid points raised.
I am an extremely honest, open and transparent person. If it was sin, I would probably know about it. Prior to the bad season, I was going through a great season with lots of blessings and visions etc. I want to also point out that I wasn't involved in ministry or leadership; I just attended church and helped in any way that I could.
I can't identify anything that the Lord was pinpointing in me, so I am at a loss as to what happened.
The Holy Spirit was my most valued and treasured companion; I respected Him, loved Him, tried my hardest to listen and follow him with the most sincere heart possible.
I was also very guarded and jealous with my relationship with God. I was open to input from people, but I would dismiss anything that I thought was not for me. I would weigh it up with the Holy Spirit and prayer.

I am certainly happier and much more peaceful than I was at the church; constantly struggling with intense scrutiny I perceived from others, and also coupled with my own personal high standards.

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InTheLight Aug 10, 2011

"Above all, taking the shield of faith..."

What doth this "above all" point to? There is variety among interpreters about it. Jerome reads it, in all things taking the shield of faith; i.e. in all duties, enterprises, temptations or afflictions - in whatever you are called to do or suffer, take faith. "Without faith it is impossible to please God. And how can the Christian ever please himself in that wherein he doth not please his God?

Others read it, "Over all, take the shield of faith;" i.e. take it over all your graces, as that which will cover them. All other graces have their safety from faith; they lie secure under the shadow of faith, as an army lies safe under the protection and command of a strong castle, planted round with cannons.

But, we shall follow our translation, as being most comprehensive – "Above all, take," etc.; that is, among all the pieces of armour which you are to provide and wear for your defence, let this have the pre-eminence of your care to get, and having got, to keep.

Now, that the apostle meant to give a pre-eminency to faith above the other graces is seen —

First — By the piece of armour that he compares it to – the shield. This, of old, was prized above all other pieces by soldiers. They counted it greater shame to lose their shield, that to lose the field, and therefore when under the very foot of their enemy, they would not part with it, but esteemed it an honour to die with their shield in their hand. It was the charge that one laid upon her son, going into war, when she gave him a shield, that he should either bring his shield home with him, or be brought hope upon his shield.

Second — By the noble effect that is here ascribed to faith - "by which ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked." The other pieces are nakedly commended, "take the girdle of truth, breastplate of righteousness," and so on… yet, when Paul speaks of faith, he ascribes the whole victory to it. This quenched "all the fiery darts of the wicked." Every piece hath its necessary use in the Christian's warfare, but their efficacy and our benefit from them is in their conjunction with faith. "Above all, taking the shield of faith."

-William Gurnall.

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AbideinHim Aug 10, 2011

Brother,

You are in the minority and you are blessed to have been led out of all of the hype that so many Christians get caught up in.

Sin will keep you out of fellowship with God, but if we repent and cofess our sins to the Lord that fellowship will be restored.

There are dry seasons that we go to from time to time, but don't let that keep you from seeking God, because if you seek the Lord with all of your heart, then you will find Him.

You have a hunger for God and all those that hunger and thirst for righteousness shall be filled. The most important thing that you can do is to know God through the Word and the revelation of the Holy Spirit.

It is also important that you are in fellowship with other Christians. The Lord will lead you as you seek Him and ask Him for guidance.

The presence of the Lord will return to you as you seek the Lord and wait on Him, but remember that whether you feel God or not is no indication of how you are doing spiritually. Put your faith in the faithfulness of God and in His unchangeable Word regardless of your feelings. God will keep you in perfect peace if you set your mind on those things that are above. Good spiritual books are helpful as the Lord leads, but the bible should always be the primary book that you go to. Ask the Holy Spirit to lead and teach you in the reading of the Word.

Mike

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JB1968 Aug 10, 2011

"Trust in the LORD with all thine heart. Lean not to thine own understanding. In all thy way acknowledge Him and He shall direct thy paths" Prov. 3:5-6

Job was alone and did not "feel" God. However, inspite of his "comforters", God had not left Job. He was going through some dark tunnels, but he could finally say, "I know that my redeemer liveth"! God was faithful to Job, and Job was faithful to God.

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Giggles Aug 10, 2011

Good thread. Thanks for sharing Bedson and others for the replies.

sermonindex Aug 10, 2011

Thanks Krispy, I know you weren't trying to slam me.

Bedson, I'm trying to think of where that verse is that says, "He hath given the Holy Spirit to those that obey Him". You say there was no disobedience or sin in your life. OK, maybe you're right. But I just can't think of any examples in the Bible were the Holy Spirit was withdrawn that it was not preciptated by some type of sin or iniquity in a believer's life. But maybe I'm wrong about that too. I've sure been wrong before--haha. Well, I know there isn't anything more I can add to this thread. I guess the Lord will have to reveal it to you.

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StarofG0D Aug 10, 2011

"I posted a link below about that sister's testimony about how God uses the foolish things. I will pray for you. Peace in Christ.

Travis

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=18861&commentView=itemComments"

Amen BRother God bless you!

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rorichts Aug 10, 2011

very good advise Mike, the question is will you serve God for who He is even if for six months or six years there are no warm fuzzy's, opportunities to minister, or any other indications of the Holy Spirit. It is not about the Holy Spirit for it is Jesus who is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Will you serve with out any indications of His presence or just because of Who He is and what He did for you?

Your focus is on Him not on any evidence
Good advise on studying the Word this time ponder the verses about testings and sufferings of not only fellow believers but also of Jesus Himself.
robert

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MyVeryHeart Aug 10, 2011

HI Bedson,

I listened to Intimacy by that same sister I mentioned earlier in the thread. I was really encouraged. I will post the link below.

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=13232&commentView=itemComments

Peace in Christ

Travis

sermonindex Aug 10, 2011

Hi Bedson

Your story is familiar to those who seek the deeper things of God. It is natural to try to seek a reason, and indeed Job`s comforters will be there to point to sin, but the way you are going is not so simple. You should take comfort in the peace you feel from leaving the church - you are indeed blessed to have escaped.

I pressume that you decided one day to give your all for Christ and this is the way of it. There are many disciplines and trials we must go though and losing the presence of God is involved and indeed is the worst part of it.

The advice to read scriptures alone is not one I would recommend though of course one should continue to read, but at times like this we need a little guidance from others unless the Lord has decreed that we are going to go it alone. I have found help from others who have travelled this path and it has been a great comfort to know that

a, it is normal
b, you have not gone astray
c, you are going to learn patience and walking by faith alone.

I pray that you will be lead to sources of encouragment and help.

Brenda

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AbideinHim Aug 10, 2011

"But I just can't think of any examples in the Bible were the Holy Spirit was withdrawn that it was not preciptated by some type of sin or iniquity in a believer's life."

Brother,

As for as a child of God is concerned we have the Word of the Lord that God will never leave us or forsake us. The Holy Spirit will abide with us forever. Yes, we can grieve the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God can be quenched, and through sin we can break our fellowship with God. If the Holy Spirit left us when we sinned, there would be no way for our fellowship to be restored for He is the one that convicts us of our sins. This is not to condemn us, that is the job of the accuser of the brethren, but He deals with us so that we will repent, move out of the darkness back into the light, and have our fellowship with God restored.

God has never promised us that we put be exempt from trials. At times the tangible presence of the Lord is withdrawn from us. It is easy to serve God and walk with God when you sense His presence and His anointing, but the Lord desires that we would love Him with all of our heart, not for what He can do for us, but just because of who He is . Our hearts are being tested when there is no outward evidence that God is with us, and we must learn to walk by faith and not by sight. Our faith is in the fact that we are in Christ and He is living in us. Our faith is not based on outward circumstances or feelings but on the great facts of what the Word says of who we are in Christ, and What Christ has done for us through the finished work of the cross.

Mike

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carters Aug 10, 2011
sermonindex Aug 11, 2011

God has never promised us that we put be exempt from trials. At times the tangible presence of the Lord is withdrawn from us. It is easy to serve God and walk with God when you sense His presence and His anointing, but the Lord desires that we would love Him with all of our heart, not for what He can do for us, but just because of who He is . Our hearts are being tested when there is no outward evidence that God is with us, and we must learn to walk by faith and not by sight. Our faith is in the fact that we are in Christ and He is living in us. Our faith is not based on outward circumstances or feelings but on the great facts of what the Word says of who we are in Christ, and What Christ has done for us through the finished work of the cross.

Mike I will tell you with complete honesty that this has not been my experience from 1981 to 2010 in my walk with the Lord Jesus Christ. Almost anytime I could go get on my knees beside my bed and ask the Lord for guidance and direction. Many times He would lead by His Holy Spirit right then and there. Sometimes the answer came a few days later. Always there was His tender touch and comfort. This never changed over a 30 year span, and I spent a lot of time in prayer.

Only last year did the Lord finally back away from me in judgment and anger after I refused to let go of this horrible sin problem in my life that was repeated over 500 times. I have not experienced those dry times or whatever they are that everybody else is talking about. The Holy Spirit never moved away from me for some kind of purpose you all are describing. I had a close relationship with the Lord. In 1995 I was sitting at the back of Calvary Cathedral International church in Ft. Worth, TX, and I prayed "Lord I wish a tornado would come through here and destroy all this". Well 5 years later a tornado did come through and ruin the building. Noone in the church was hurt! The finger of God was on that tornado and it touched down in spots where the Lord wanted it to. Another time I just went to the Lord in prayer and asked the Lord who it was that was doing the killings in Washington, DC by sniper rifle. The Lord spoke to me and said, "It's 2 black guys from the Tacoma, WA area and one is much older than the other, but they are both under 40. That is what the Lord said. In 2000 I was sitting in a Wendy's resturant in Bellevue, WA with my absentee ballot for president. This was in October. As I checked "Pat Buchanan" the HOly Spirit came over me in such a powerful way and He asked, "Are you sure you really want to do that"? Then the Spirit showed me that this race would be so close that we would not know who won for days and maybe weeks.

These are some of the poignant things I remember. But just about anytime I could ask the Lord things and He would usually speak. Sometimes the Lord would even reveal to me who was going to win college football games. You may not believe it, but I don't care. What I'm saying is over a 30 year span this did not change in my life. I never went through a dry time. I have gone through a horrible time the past 18 months as this precious touch of the HOly Spirit has moved far away from me, and the Lord doesn't speak to me like this anymore. The Lord finally said enough regarding this sin habit I had in my life. Thanks.

Craig

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