Does anybody have a testimony of overcoming the spiritual/soulish/fleshly causes of having this condition? Or any opinion or revelation on it? Was there a previous post on this topic?
Blessings
Regeneration.
Krispy
Krispy ....
Very true! That is the answer to every single post on this forum. But it does not really make me feel blessed, encouraged, or helped in this matter..... Only corrected in a blunt, insensitive, shallow way.
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Jochbaptist
One of boys struggled with these kinds of issues when he was younger. He had a difficult time concentrating and this would lead to bouts of anger for him. It has taken a lot of prayer and patience working with him and helping him to see that in all things even in this he had to turn it over to the LORD. My husband and I did not go the medicine route with our son because I home schooled and I felt that was not what the LORD would have us do. Also little boys on average tend to be a bit unfocused and I think that doctors can run to pills when they are not needed. I can tell you that there were days when I just sat and cried for my son because I was sure he was never going to be able to get his emotions or his anger under control.(under GODS authority and control) For him his lack of being able to focus made him feel stupid or like he was a failure. These feelings of failure are what lead to the anger he struggled with. He is grown now but there are still days when he has a hard time staying focused, he still struggles with feelings of inadequacies so he spends a lot of time in prayer. He said it has helped him to see that he needed to relinquish everything to the LORD, even his feelings of frustration and anger, to realize that he could not do anything on his own. He also said it helped learning to mediate on the things of the LORD, this helped calm his mind and enable him to focus on task he had.
Not sure if any of this helps but I will pray for you.
God Bless
maryjane
Edit to hopefully be a little more clear.
Very true! That is the answer to every single post on this forum. But it does not really make me feel blessed, encouraged, or helped in this matter..... Only corrected in a blunt, insensitive, shallow way.
Ditto!
I was actually going to go somewhere with my "regeneration" response... but I was expecting a different response. So nevermind.
Krispy
MaryJane-
It helps a lot, thank you. And it is perfectly clear.
Blessings
Many researchers are finding this is also a "dietary" problem. Our food is not what it was 50 yrs ago.
Krispy
I am sorry about that last sentence, it was unnecessary and reactionary. Please accept my appology.
Where were you planning to go with this?
Joch
Apology accepted, friend.
When God regenerates a heart He recreates it. All things are made new. This means our desires change too. It does not mean that we dont go thru dry spells because we all do.
Now, in regards to ADHD please keep in mind that I am not a doctor and have no business giving medical advise.
Schools are very quick to label a child (the vast majority of which are boys) as ADHD. It's not that they actually have some sort of problem... it's that the schools are geared for girls, and boys are not girls... and they behave differently. It is not normal for an 8 year old boy to sit still behind a desk all day. Hey, I'm a 44 yr old man and I cant sit still for that long!
So what passes for ADHD is not really ADHD. It's society (and parents) not wanting to deal with an active boy.
Now, discipline comes into play here too... and thats where the regeneration part comes into play. God can take an unruly and rebellious human being with no desire to be disciplined or display any amount of self control... and He can change them.
Once a person is truly saved (and I emphasize "truly") God then begins to do a work in that person's life. Some people grow at an accelerated pace, others not so much. But God does grow them spiritually. Thats called "sanctification". Out of the process of sanctification that child of God will begin to show the fruits of the Spirit in his or her life.
What are the fruits of the Spirit? Galations 5:22,23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, SELF-CONTROL; against such things there is no law."
Another word for self-control is self-discipline. That should be one of the results that will eventually show itself in the life of a truly regenerated Christian. And this is not something that will magically take place... we put some effort into it as well. The difference maker is that the Holy Spirit ENABLES us to do this.
And thats what it takes for someone who has trouble focussing or whatever the issue is: self discipline.
Actually, for a lot of children the cure for so-called "ADHD" is not only the Lord... but also some good old fashioned (and Biblical) parental discipline! The parents need to step up and discipline and punish the child. Too many are not.
So... thats where I was going with this. I am NOT saying there is no such thing as ADHD! Please do not misunderstand me. But what I am saying is that my opinion is that most people classified with ADHD do not seriously have some sort of medical disorder. They have a self-discipline problem, and tho they can learn to be more self-discplined without God... true godly self-discipline comes from the Holy Spirit thru regeneration.
Krispy
I had ADHD as a child and my mother has later said, “If there was a pill for what you had, I would’ve put you on it.” About 20 years I was going down a list of 100 statements to find if a person was ADHD, I found that I could have said yes to 96 of them but in reading through them I saw where the Lord had helped me with about 1/3 of them.
As an adult woman, has it gone away magically? No, and the Holy Spirit is still helping me with the rest of them. Though, you need to know that I would not take back being ADHD for anything. But I do know my ex-husband would take back my having ADHD; but I wouldn’t take it back, not even for him. I say that because the things he fell in love with about me... in the end were the same things he absolutely hated about me (but that was his cross to bear and learn to submit them to the Lord).
We all have things we must submit to the Lord with our spouses because every person ever created is not perfect in so many ways and learning to live with ANY one after the lovey dovey feelings are gone... therein lays the true test of love!
My final statement... do NOT put any child with ADHD on any type of medicine, please!
God bless,
Lisa
I was diagnosede with attention defecit disorder as a child and struggled in school a lot, comprehending things. But i will say this that when Christ first came in my life in 2003 the one thing that did change was that i could sit in the Bible and read it and comprehend it and i loved it and did not get bored of reading it. I noticed that in Christ i was made stronger from it, i think anything is possible with Christ, as i have said before i struggled with homosexual feelings before Christ when Christ came i believe he delivered me from it. Anything is possible with the Lord, lets not limit him.
It seems to me that the cases of ADHD are multiplying at a similar same rate as media/games and technology increases in speed. Of course more are diagnosed as awareness has increased and some are just active children who get a label pasted on them, but just look at the rate by which images change on the screen in movies, shows and games and compare it to ten, twenty, thirty years ago. This can not be good for your brain? Add to it the constant noise of music, cell phones, etc. How can a person, trained (brainwashed) like that from a young age concentrate on anything for any amount of time? Is it spiritual? It is hard to believe that there would not be a spiritual force behind this as much of it is ungodly and not drawing anyone closer to God but rather making it more difficult to study scripture, wait silently before God and to hear His voice. If my child was affected, my first action would be to create as calm an environment for him as possible while providing lots of excercise, play and outdoor activitites.
Yes, Keith Daniel's son Roy was diagnosed with this condition and through persistant prayer he got over it and is now mightily used by God. I do not know which sermon of his it was, must be one of those about home and family.
Keith Daniel's sermons are featured here.
Thank you Krispy
I'm realy glad I got your response!
I agree - out with the Ritalin, bring on Sanctification ... and Discipline.
Blessings
Joch
This is an interesting subject. I have a brother that was considered "hyperactive" and would have been considered today to have ADHD I believe. He was supposed to take medication but my mother was really into eating healthy and that made a difference for him. Honestly, I believe many of the children today who are considered to have ADHD are just full of energy and the way God made them. They need proper discipline and training, which is not always the same type or way as for the child that does not posess this kind of energy.
I find it interesting because although it was harder for my brother to sit still and "be good", it was and still is amazing to me how much he could get done when channelled in the right direction and way. In some ways, I would say he is blessed. As children, we would get some kind of piecework job and he would literally get three times as much done as I would, and I honestly felt like I was working hard. This was even true when we were in our late teens/early twenties. No matter how hard I worked, I could not get as much done as he could.
I know have five children, two which are very similar to my brother. We home-school, but if they were sent to public school, I think we would have been told they have ADHD. When the oldest one was a toddler, My aunt (who was an RN) told me she had never seen a child with as much energy as him. (We do not have a TV, video games etc. so it was not caused by those influences.)
I look at it that these children are blessed with energy and quick minds. If we can just figure out how to channel them in the right direction, they can be very successful both as Christians and as members of society. This can be a great strength and blessing instead of a detriment to the child.
Is there a spiritual part of it too. Undoubtedly in our society today, there is. If we set these more nervous, energetic children down in front of the TV, video games, nintento ect. for hours every day, or if there is strife, disharmony etc. in the home or if we do not help give these children healthy outlets for their energy, I have no question, the devil will take advantage of this area in the life. What could be turned to a blessing can also be the greatest weakness in that life. There is no question that the devil will try to look for weak areas in any life and exploit them for evil instead of good.
I am NOT by any means condemning someone who has a child with ADHD and whose child is not doing well. My children are not all grown up either and it is only by the grace of God that they will turn out following God and headed in the right direction. We must do our best to lead and guide, spend much time on our knees and trust God with the rest. My point is though that there is much hope. God can help the child with ADHD to be a blessing. The world can look upon it as something difficult and bad, but if God has created my child this way, I believe he has a great purpose in what He is doing.
Complex issue. My mother called it "Hyper" in the days before ADD or ADHD, and I was very "hyper". As an educator I deal with this subject quite a bit. I am in no way an expert, but having been a "hyper" child and having the propensity to be a hyper adult, I have my own perspective.
I do not really think that it is a spiritual condition other than the fact that I could attribute it to the fall of man. There are obviously exceptions to this statement, but for the most part that is where I fall. I do know that I had a great lack of self control as a child. I understand the temper issue because I also had a pretty short fuse.
Krispy said that regeneration was the cure. I know what he is saying. God has so changed me, but it has been a long process. My parents were also instrumental by giving me very consistent discipline all through my childhood.
I have found that in most cases of ADHD where the child is experiencing frequent problems with self control and behavior there is associated with it a lack of good, consistent discipline in the home. Obviously a hyper child will always be more of a challenge than one who is more calm, but that is par for the course.
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