Seventh-day Adventist??

Hello, I am trying to find out some information on the Seventh-day Adventists. I can't find a spot to search so I am hoping someone here will have some insight..

There is a website called "CARM" and if I remember correct there was some decent information there.

Just do a Google search on the word 'exadventist', you will find some help...

In Christ,

Ron

Dawn10379 wrote,

"Hello, I am trying to find out some information on the Seventh-day Adventists."

For some information go to the following website:

http://www.lifeassuranceministries.com
http://www.lifeassuranceministries.com/Dalebio.html

You may also be interested in: Seventh-day Adventism: The Spirit Behind the Church (DVD) Click the following link:

http://www.monergismbooks.com/Seventh-day-Adventism-The-Spirit-Behind-the-Church-DVD-p-16715.html

I hope you'll find some insight on Seventh Day Adventism at the above links.

Thank you all so much! I will check all of those now.

Hello all. I would like to post an article by Dr. Michael Brown regarding Christians and the observance of the Sabbath for all who are interested. I don't mean to stir anything up but my husband and I have been confronted by a co-worker of his about this issue and it has prompted me to dig for Biblical answers to his accusations.

Should Christians Observe the Seventh Day Sabbath?

Are followers of Jesus—speaking in particular of Gentile followers of the Lord—required to keep the Sabbath? And if so, should it be on Saturday, as originally given, or on Sunday, as it has been observed through much of church history? Is it more scriptural simply to set aside any one day as holy to the Lord, a day to rest from normal work? Or is this a completely wrong approach to the Sabbath question for a Christian, since in Jesus, every day is holy to the Lord and we have already entered into rest from our labors?

Here are some key points for consideration:

(1) The seventh-day Sabbath was sanctified at creation and, according to the prophetic Scriptures, it will be part of the future age. Normally, when we think of the Sabbath, we think of the Ten Commandments, but in reality, the Sabbath was sanctified at creation (see Genesis 2:2-3), although there is no command associated with it at that time, and the creation account forms the basis for the command to observe the Sabbath in Exodus 20:11: “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.”

But these words in Exodus 20, spoken by the Lord at Mount Sinai, do not represent the first time that God spoke to Israel about the Sabbath. This took place in Exodus 16, before the Israelites arrived at Sinai, when God commanded His people not to gather manna on the seventh day (see Exodus 16:22-26).

So then, the Sabbath was established at creation and then given to the Israelites before Sinai, then commanded again at Sinai, and, according to Isaiah, it appears that the Sabbath will continue in the world to come:

“As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord, “so will your name and descendants endure. From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,” says the Lord (Isaiah 66:22-23).

In any case, it can be stated clearly that in the Hebrew Bible, the Sabbath precedes Mount Sinai and continues into the age to come.

(2) The seventh-day Sabbath was given as a special sign between God and Israel. According to Exodus 31:17, God said that the Sabbath was to be “a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested.” He reiterated this centuries later through the prophet Ezekiel: “I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us. . . . Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us” (Ezekiel 20:12, 20).

God did not call any other nation to observe the Sabbath, although he did open the door for Gentiles to join themselves to His covenant with Israel in Isaiah 56:4-7, which is addressed to “the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths.” So, the door was open for the Gentiles to enter into Israel’s covenant, but the specific covenantal, seventh-day Sabbath sign was given exclusively to the people of Israel.

(3) In the New Testament, Gentile believers are never called or required to observe the seventh-day Sabbath, and they become full-citizens along with Israel without having to observe the full requirements of the Law.

It is true that many of the first Gentile believers were actually “God-fearers” who heard the message of the Gospel in synagogues (see Acts 13:26; 17:4, 17), and they would have been familiar with the seventh-day Sabbath. In fact, they would have heard Paul preaching on the Sabbath. Nonetheless, the verdict of Acts 15 was clear: Gentile believers were not required to observe all the Torah laws.

(4) There is no biblical support for the view that after the resurrection of Jesus, the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. There is some evidence that as early as the late first or early second century, believers gathered before or after work on Sundays to celebrate the Lord’s resurrection, but this was not related to the concept of the Sabbath, and strong arguments can be made against the Sabbath being changed to Sunday within the New Testament itself. It was not until the fourth century that the church formally declared that the Sabbath had been moved to Sunday, with the question begging to be asked, “By what authority did you do this?”

(5) On the other hand, since God never commanded Gentile believers to observe the seventh-day Sabbath—it is simply not stated in the New Testament—there is no reason why they cannot set Sunday aside as a special day of rest and worship for the Lord, thereby incorporating the principle of Sabbath into their lives. To the extent that Christians feel led to set aside Sunday as their Sabbath, there is nothing wrong with doing so, as long as they realize that they cannot judge others who do not share this conviction (see especially Romans 14).

(6) The Sabbath should be set aside as a day of delight in the Lord. This was clearly stated by the Lord in Isaiah 58:13-14, and Jesus also taught that “the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27). This means that however this day is observed, it should be done with joy and gladness, truly honoring the Lord and truly bringing liberation to others. In keeping with this, Jesus frequently healed the sick on the Sabbath.

(7) Our ultimate rest is found in a Person, not a day, so Sabbath observance should be both spiritual and practical. It is clear that God set up a system of weekly renewal in which we would rest from our daily labors and focus on Him. On a certain level, through the work of the Messiah, we have entered into a perpetual rest from our own labors (see Matthew 11:28-30; Romans 4:4-5; Hebrews 4:9-11). On another level, the demands and distractions of this life are ever upon us, so it is good to slow down and turn aside from these things every week, at the same time directing our attention to the Lord to find renewal in Him.

Some of these same principles apply to Jewish believers, but we must remember that the seventh-day Sabbath was given as a special sign to Israel, and in keeping with that, it is especially appropriate for Messianic Jews to observe the seventh-day Sabbath, also worshiping as congregations on that day as well. Nonetheless, as we have stressed, this is a matter of conviction and calling, and other Jewish believers may sense a different calling and responsibility in the Lord, part of their being all things to all men so as to save some (1 Corinthians 9:20-22) and part of their liberty in the Lord. In that respect, we must always remember that, with the coming of the Messiah into the world, our relationship to the Torah was radically changed as well, and that includes our relationship to the Sabbath.

http://askdrbrown.org/ask-dr-brown/35-ask-dr-brown/76-should-christians-observe-the-seventh-day-sabbath

Hope this comes as some use and encouragement!

Blessings!

This is a very adversarial subject. But, I could not let this one go.

Quote; """, it is especially appropriate for Messianic Jews to observe the seventh-day Sabbath, also worshiping"""

I thought there was no Jew or Gentile in Christ, you might be called a Messianic Jew in this world by man, there is no such thing in Christ, ones worldly birth place has nothing to do with those that are in Christ Jesus, in whom now He is the one and only true Sabbath and Rest we can enter. Our only Rest. Hebrews 4:5-12 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

This dividing asunder the soul and spirit is the complete answer to who the Sabbath is; The Spirit is our complete Rest, for that is who we are born again into, this dividing of soul and spirit shows that we are perfect in Christs Spirit and His Cross, "It is finished" as God finished His work on the seventh day, so do we enter His rest in Christ Jesus when His work was finished, whom is now our Sabbath, remember: "Do this in remembrance of me", the Bread of Life and life saving Blood by faith in Spirit. We were not saved in our soul and body, we were only saved in spirit By the Spirit of Christ being given us at the moment of salvation. John 3:4-8 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Joh 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Our Soul/mind is being renewed to this truth and the Mind of Christ and in our minds is where the war is, and where our love affair with God is being worked on, "We love Him because He first loved us" and gave His body and soul that we might be saved by His Spirit and being saved by His promised Holy Spirit teaching us these truths and will be saved in body on resurrection day, by it from death of the body or changing in the twinkling of an eye, Then complete, Saved in Christ, Spirit, Soul and Body, the complete new creature, which we are now only part of, in Spirit, by His Spirit that dwelleth in us, we are perfect before the Father, whom will not trust in me to complete so great a salvation, but depend upon the only One who has proven that He can accomplish and finish my salvation.

In Christ, thank God: Phillip

Dear Dawn,

I recently posted a similar question-see Revival and Church History. I received many interesting and thought provoking answers to my question about the Fourth Commandment. I didn't realize there was such controversy about one of God's commandments. What I decided is that I had to shut off all external voices(those of men) and seek the Lord in His word, on my knees and ask the Holy Spirit to speak to me and to lead me into all truth. I have my own convictions on where I stand now which I won't share here(I totally avoid controversy). I don't think it accomplishes anything except grieving the Holy Spirit. I agree with Monnkz, don't search for truth in a denomination. Search the scriptures. God bless you dear sister. May the Lord lead you into all truth and may you abound more and more in His love, Lori

Dear Saints,

Satan's servants are still masquerading as "servants of righteousness" and we need to be aware of how subtly effective their objective is.

The objective of Satan who is using them is to blind the minds of the unbeliever so as not to see the glory of God in the face of Christ. One of the most effective means of accomplishing this is to appear to men as "ministers of righteousness", but a righteousness based upon THE LAW, rather than in the LIFE of CHRIST.

There are those who are advocating that Christ was the means to fulfill the ultimate purpose of God - HIS LAW. This is directly opposite of what Paul taught. Paul taught that "the end of the Law is CHRIST." The entire goal of God was not the Covenant of Sinai, which was merely temporarily put into effect until the promise Seed of Abraham should come. That Law had no life, but merely carnal ordinances put into effect until the time of the reformation. It was temporary in its design, so to attempt to make it permanent is a grave error.

Our Lord, knowing this, declared "for all the Law and the prophets were UNTIL John, since that time the Kingdom of Heaven is being declared." The Law of Sinai's only purpose was to bridge the time between Abraham and his Seed, who is Christ. These false apostles are turning the gospel upside down by making Christ the bridge to fulfilling the Law. They glory in the commandments, rather than the Life of God in Christ Jesus.

Carefull reading will show you that those who are adamant about establishing the Law see that Christ was not the Goal, but the means. In this, Satan has blinded their eyes using the Law as the veil to block the view of the glory of God which is seen not in the Law but in the LORD.

I encourage everyone to read II Corinthians 10 and 11 and you will see that the false apostles, the deceitful workmen, were JEWS attempting to establish the Law as God's goal rather than Christ. Read the passages carefully and you will recognize why Paul refers to "are they Hebrews?" "Are they Israelites?" "Are they the seed of Abraham?" These are the false apostles, the deceitful workmen. What do Hebrews, Israelites, and decendents of Abraham pursue with a zeal without knowledge - righteouesness based upon THE LAW!

No one should be mistaken, the Law is powerless to produce God's ultimate goal - RIGHTEOUSNESS. The Law did not contain LIFE. It takes the LIFE of God to produce RIGTHEOUSNESS. The Law has power to make SIN manifest. Christ has LIFE to make the FATHER manifest. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus did not come to enable us to keep certain feasts days, which were mere shadows of things to come. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus came to enable us to become like God, to partake of His divine nature. To think as He thinks, to love as He loves, to do as He does.

The people advocating that the LAW was the goal and Christ is the means have become some of Satan's most effective servants. They are zealous for righteousness, but they are ignorant of the only means by which it will ever be established. Their goal is to establish righteousness through the Law, and Satan has in them one of the most effective means to lead them away from the simplicity of devotion to Christ. Like Paul said, they have missed the aim entirely - the bullseye of the Law is CHRIST!!!!!!!
Once faith in Christ has come, the tutor is no longer needed, the SPIRIT OF ADOPTION can cry out ABBA Father and we no longer need to be under the supervision of the Law.

Beware of those who are giving GLORY to the LAW, and a pat on the back to Jesus for making it possible for us to live by law. They are sincere in their efforts and zealous about it as well, but they are false apostles, deceitful workmen.

makrothumia

Very well put. Thank you Alan!

He won't answer the Scriptures.

The readers must be warned, that they fall not over the precipice with him.

Thank you for doing so, so well as you have done Brother Alan.

Rejoicing with you in the Lord for His amazing grace, dear Brother.

Be well,
Doug

Dear Monnkz,

Please do not think that I refer to anything other than those Paul was warning about. Please read these verses carefully and understand that this is the concern Paul is addressing. Paul is waring about men who are wanting to be teachers of the Law.

"Now the purpose of the commandment is love from a pure heart, from a good conscience, and from sincere faith, FROM which some, HAVING STRAYED, have turned aside to idle talk, DESIRING TO BE TEACHERS OF LAW, understanding neither what they say nor the things which they affirm."

I do not even know you, other than you believe strongly in keeping the Sabbath. That does not automatically make you what I believe Paul was warning about. A person can keep Sabbath unto the Lord and be approved because he keeps it by faith. I do not oppose the keeping of Sabbath, nor did Paul, he opposed and I with him, men who seek to place the yoke of Sinai upon the necks of the Gentiles. They do this blindly not realizing that they are perverting the very commandments they are promoting - By making them universal they overturn the very foundation of the special covenant relationship between Yahweh and Israel. Yahweh limited the commandments to "the sons of Israel." All who make them universal to all men are transgressing Yahweh's own boundaries, adding to His own words and He will prove them liars for doing so.

Please just read II Corinthians 10 and 11 carefully as I have encouraged you to do and you will see that false apostles, deceitful workers, were Jews. These were the ones who gave Paul the most trouble throughout his entire ministry. They were "ministers of Christ" who were insisting the covenant of Sinai was not temporary but eternal. They were preaching circumcision in order to bring Gentiles under the yoke of the Law. Their devotion to the Law and zeal to exalt it led them to go beyond God's own intent and purpose for it.

These deceitful workers goal for every gentile was "circumcision" in order to bring them into the covenant with Israel. They were very sincere and earnest about this, but they were deceived. Paul was so finished with such preaching that he wrote "If I still preach circumcision, then why am I still being persecuted."

Please face this honestly, You know that those who would preach Law must preach circumcision. No Gentile can evey partake of Passover without first circumcising himself and every male of his house. You know this and Paul and all the Apostles stood firm that this is not the will of God for the Gentiles.

Moonkz, you are welcome to email me privately and I am willing to go over the entire Torah and New Testament with you. I am not specifically accusing you of advocating that Gentiles must obey the Law of Moses, but I am calling anyone who would advocate this a false apostle and a deceitful worker. I learned this from the Hebrew of Hebrews himself, an Israelite from the tribe of Benmamin, circumcised the eighth day, more zealous about the Law than any of his contemporaries, a Pharisee by choice, and regarding the righteousness found in the Law - blameless.

I with him count it all dung compared to the surpassing greatness of knowing Chris Jesus my Lord.

makrothumia

monnkz wrote:
But I must mention that there are some on this forum that insist on suppressing those who believe otherwise. In my humble opinion, that's wrong.

If you want to post your own beliefs at your leisure then by all means create your own website and labor over that one; which is clearly the rational alternative to your dilemma.

Lisa

Christ is our Sabbath. Why did God give Israel the fourth commandment? To remember what God did in six days. Keep it Holy as a remembrance of creation and the Law God, waiting for the Seed, Jesus Christ promised to Abraham, even outside of the Law.

Who is our remembrance upon now? Lu 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

So we eat and drink to Jesus Christ, not to a day, be it Sat or Sunday, makes no difference in Christ, we are not remembering the creation and the Law, we are remembering a Person whom is our cup in the new testament in His Blood. If there is any Law, it is to eat and drink in remembrance of Him, Jesus Christ, our Sabbath Day Himself.

Also Alan, I agree that the old covenant in the Law is no more. Thank you for your appologetics in Grace and Truth by Faith.

This annuls the old 4th commandment. The new should be remember the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, The Person of our new creation of being Born Again by the Spirit of Him who gave Himself that we might live. Our new life is a Person not a day. This is our remembrance.

In Christ: Phillip

KrispyKrittr,

Thank you! I have already seen posts from that individual regarding this topic, hence why I decided to give no reply. I am not interested in passifying the unbiblical claims he is making any more than the person I have met (here in the "real" world). The reason I posted this topic was because prior to two months ago I knew nothing of the 7th day adventists. It wasn't until my husband started carpooling with one that I began doing research for him. I am sure that unless the Holy Spirit moves in this mans life, he will continue to have a hardened and deceived heart (from what I can tell all 7th day adventists seem to be confrontational). I know that we cannot convince him with our own words but we can do our best to be prepared when he throws his "choice scripture" at us.

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Thank you to all who replied!

Blessings.

Dawn