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Napoleon Bonaparte vs. Christ

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Creation7 Oct 29, 2011

"Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and myself founded empires; but what foundation did we rest the creations of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded an empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him."
-Napoleon Bonaparte

Wow, powerful words from this man who looking back, saw the waste he had made of his supposed great life, and was only then beginning to realize what was truly great.

"Only one life, 'twill soon be past-- only what's done for Christ will last."

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StarofG0D Oct 29, 2011

This quote makes me so much think of what is going on in the Occupy Wallstreet...on both sides.

Though their may be some truth in it..It's still not the peace of Christ.

Thanks for the quote.

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Creation7 Oct 29, 2011

Exactly, great point. Not to mention that it's just a Godless socialist and communist group of people (at least the leaders and many of the people), and we know both those forms of government clearly violate Biblical principles. It just comes down to the fact that they are looking for reform without adressing the root issue... personal and national SIN.

God bless!

sermonindex Oct 29, 2011

Only through Jesus Christ ruling in the heart can there be change. One woukd only hope that Napoleon did find redemption and solace in Jesus in those final years in Elbe.

Blaine

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Creation7 Oct 29, 2011

Well said, Blaine. Is there any evidence that did happen?

sermonindex Oct 29, 2011

I don't know. I would only hope upon the basis of this quote he did. Will Google and find out.

Blaine

sermonindex Oct 29, 2011

I am a little hazy as to which island Napoleon was finally imprisoned on. I know be was imprisoned on Elbe and St. Hellana. St. hellana may have been his final imprisonment. If so then there are some interesting things he writes reflecting upon the reality of Jesus Christ. Having read the article it made me wonder if he might have embraced Jesus in his heart

I am sorry I do not know how to copy the article over to SI. But I found the article searching under, 'Did Napoleon Follow Jesus Christ'.

One can hope during those last few years that maybe he did find ultimate rest in Jesus. Only eternity will tell.

Blaine

sermonindex Oct 29, 2011

Not to mention that it's just a Godless socialist and communist group of people (at least the leaders and many of the people), and we know both those forms of government clearly violate Biblical principles.

was God the Holy Spirit in control of your heart and mind, when your fingers typed the above statement?

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Creation7 Oct 30, 2011

This is kind of a loaded question. I believe He was. I assume you think He was not. If so, could you please explain? Are you coming to this issue with the idea that if something does not tickle the ears, it is somehow unloving or unChrist-like? Truth is often not very pleasant or palatable, yet that does not change the fact that it is truth. Let me give you some examples.


"Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye.Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:.." (Acts 7:51-52)


"Then Saul, (who also [is called] Paul,) FILLED WITH THE HOLY GHOST set his eyes on him, And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, [thou] child of the devil, [thou] enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? And now, behold, the hand of the Lord [is] upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand."

And there are so many more examples (See Matthew 23, etc., etc., etc.).

Doesn't sound very "loving", yet it is the TRUTH, and these people were FILLED with the Holy Ghost when they said these things. Facts are stubborn things, and they don't always appeal to our flesh; nevertheless, we need to hear them.

sermonindex Oct 30, 2011

"loaded"?.....no it was a simple question. dont assume anything, including any desire of mine to have my ears tickled. if you try and tickle them, you might lose your hand, Kind of like in "The Book of Eli"...the movie.

and this is just me, but i'm very hesistant to start misappropriating Scripture to fit in, to my judgements.

the first Scripture you reference, is Jesus laying it down to the pharisees and religionists in that time, fleshlings that RELISH the opportunity to cast scorn on WHOEVER doesnt meet the external requirements of there cozy little religious GAME. and it was a face to face encounter.

the second verse was another face to face encounter, where Paul read the riot act to a child of darkness who was trying to dissaude a man from following Jesus...and how that all ties up with the post you wrote prior, about the "godless communists and socialists" , i do not know.

But what i do know is if you want to start hurling judgement around, its going to start with you, fore you support communism, you line the pockets of godless communists with money....and you might exclaim, "WHAT?!?"

in your house are innumerable household goods and clothes that all say one thing on the the tag or sticker, "Made In China", lets be precise, "The PEOPLES Reuplic of China", so in essence, YOU support this godless communist nation with your money, which makes you a communist sympathizer.

hows that feel? of course, its not true, because you're just buying the implements you need to maintain a household, and since all these titles, communist, socialist, capitalist are just the devils way to keep people divided and fighting, scorching folks on the internet, you never met, or were in relation with, is just playing RIGHT INTO THE devils hands, so to attribute your prior post as "Spirit Led", might not be accurate.

i'm hoping you'll reflect on this, coz Hope goes right along with Faith and Charity and Love....not scorn. Jesus' scorn was ALWAYS reserved for the "religious" pharisees and other hate filled hypocrites during His Earthly Ministry, never the heavily laden poor in spirit so deseperate for a Savior. He who has ears to hear....

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Creation7 Oct 31, 2011

"loaded"?.....no it was a simple question. dont assume anything,

Okay, I just thought maybe it was...

including any desire of mine to have my ears tickled..

I didn't assume this, I simply asked.

if you try and tickle them, you might lose your hand, Kind of like in "The Book of Eli"...the movie.

I haven't seen "The Book of Eli" :)

and this is just me, but i'm very hesistant to start misappropriating Scripture to fit in, to my judgements.

So am I.

the first Scripture you reference, is Jesus laying it down to the pharisees and religionists in that time, fleshlings that RELISH the opportunity to cast scorn on WHOEVER doesnt meet the external requirements of there cozy little religious GAME. and it was a face to face encounter.

I suppose you mean the third reference; yes, what you describe happening is a true description. And yes, it was a face to face encounter. Are you saying that I shouldn't say what I said, because I'm not face to face with them? I don't have the money for a plane ticket to go to them, and besides, I'm not saying anything I wouldn't say face to face with them.

the second verse was another face to face encounter, where Paul read the riot act to a child of darkness who was trying to dissaude a man from following Jesus

Correct...

and how that all ties up with the post you wrote prior, about the "godless communists and socialists" , i do not know.

It ties up because I'm showing you that: "Truth is often not very pleasant or palatable, [as it was not in these circumstances] yet that does not change the fact that it is truth."

But what i do know is if you want to start hurling judgement around,

Judgement? When does something move from the realm of fact into the realm of "judgement"?

fore you support communism, you line the pockets of godless communists with money....and you might exclaim, "WHAT?!?"

I wouldn't exclaim "WHAT?!?", for the simple reason that it is a known fact (if you're using that definition of the word "support"), and there's nothing you can do about it.

in your house are innumerable household goods and clothes that all say one thing on the the tag or sticker, "Made In China", lets be precise, "The PEOPLES Reuplic of China",

Yes, and...

so in essence, YOU support this godless communist nation with your money, which makes you a communist sympathizer.

What you're doing here is committing the fallacy of equivocation, which is to change the meaning of the word as we normally use it or as the context uses it, in the middle of an argument. If I wanted to play around with words like you are, I could say, "Jesus was supporting empire building, war, crucifixions, ANY kind of sin people in the government committed, by paying taxes. In essence, Jesus was commanding us to sin by commanding us to pay taxes." You see how this kind of folly can get you nowhere fast. It's the same silly, old, worn-out argument, "Do you pay taxes? Oh, you must believe in abortion, then. Otherwise you wouldn't support it."

hows that feel? of course, its not true, because you're just buying the implements you need to maintain a household, and since all these titles, communist, socialist, capitalist are just the devils way to keep people divided and fighting,

No, they're not. It's simply a name for a set of beliefs.

scorching folks on the internet,

Scorch: "to afflict painfully with censure or sarcasm; to cause mental anguish..." I think it's safe to say that you are exaggerating.

you never met, or were in relation with,

Am I to suppose it's better to scorch folks on the internet if you met them or were related to them, than it it is if you hadn't met them or weren't related to them?

is just playing RIGHT INTO THE devils hands, so to attribute your prior post as "Spirit Led", might not be accurate.

I'm sorry; as I said, the terms "socialist", "communist", etc. is simply a name for a set of beliefs, so I can't agree that it's "playing right into the devil's hand".
If someone asks, "What political system does that person believe in?", you can go on a ten minute long dissertation, or you can simply say, "That person believes in Communism." Real simple. Therefore, I still don't see how the fact I stated is somehow not "Spirit lead".

i'm hoping you'll reflect on this, coz Hope goes right along with Faith and Charity and Love....not scorn.

Scorn: "to reject, refuse, or ignore with contempt or disdain" So... how was I rejecting, refusing, contemptuously ignoring or disdaining them?

Jesus' scorn was ALWAYS reserved for the "religious" pharisees and other hate filled hypocrites during His Earthly Ministry, never the heavily laden poor in spirit so deseperate for a Savior.

I agree you should not scorn them. But are you saying these "Occupy" protestors are "heavily laden poor in spirit" people?

In short, I don't see why you're making such a huge deal out of this. Do you just not like how I refferd to them as "Godless"? Godless simply means, "refusing to acknowledge God" which is what they are doing. It's not a strong, hateful, or scornful word.

May God bless you!

sermonindex Oct 31, 2011

bud, we're done here. you had the last word.

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Creation7 Oct 31, 2011

Oh, come on. Disagreeing, and then not answering anyone's objections, is hardly being open-minded. Or do you just not have an answer? That question might sound unloving, but someone needs to point out that simply dismissing the issue is an extremely poor way to deal with someone's objections. What if I had said to you, "bud, we're done here. you had the last word" when you first objected? I don't think you would have enjoyed that.

sermonindex Nov 1, 2011

i AM being loving by saying, "bud we're done here", by showing mercy. Done are the days for me on this forum, where i waste time by engaging in endless cyber palaber, with those cemented in their judgements, by the flesh, in the flesh.

frightened and scared people, in need of a Savior dismissed as "godless socialists and communists" indicates to me, a person not facile in the Spirit, unable or unwilling to see the WHOLE of the Great Commission, and i will not even attempt to reason with you, when reasoning seems impossible.....so, bud we are NOW done here.

take care in the future choice of your wording.

sermonindex Nov 1, 2011

you been on my heart, soul, spirit and prayers all evening and this morning. brother, my name is neil, and i do beg your forgiveness, in what might seem harsh callous and unloving in Messiah Jesus.

i respond as such, because something in my spirit, as led by the Holy Spirit, sees something in these folks that "occupy", and i totally resist any sort of labeling, ie these "ism's" or "ists". what i'm seeing are helpless and harrassed "sheep" in need of a Sheperd.

these people are just terrified and angry, feeling that various "systems of the world" have let them down, and these systems HAVE let them down, because anything of man WILL let one down, its just another idol, and God is most severe regarding man worshipping anything other than Him.

oh yes brother, we are most definitely told to led quiet lives, patient in the Hope of our Salvation. These protests dont follow in this mold, but my spirit leads me to believe when folks are so pressed, so frightened, that IS THE MOMENT, as God gives, some can be saved, by turning from this fear, into the Knowledge and Apprehension of a Savior, Jesus. i only WISH i could be among them to be a son of the Light, witnessing what God has done for me.

no excuses, but i'm in a desolate (rural) land, far from these cauldrons of confusion, led up here BY the Holy Spirit, and must attend to the business of getting this land, ready for my family...besides God has NOT given me the Call to go among them. i yearn, with the Passion of Christ for their souls, that was why i responded as i did.

my unseemingly curt response, "we're done" is that i've been embroiled in too many divisive "arguments" on this forum, and i cant do that anymore. The time is short, but you dont deserve that, you deserve me explaining the path of my heart, which is that i judge not these little ones, who just walk in the darkness of their fear and their flesh.

what i do judge and disdain are the herodians and babylonians and romans that have come to rule the land, and the world. To me, they are the epitome of anti christ, fore what they lust for, is their golden calf, their money, their worldy power gained only thru the tip of the sword...and when they seek covering thru systems of religion, my zealouness for the Ministry of the Gospel, that is, the Way, the Simple Faith in the Son of God, sometimes overwhelms me with Jesus' Grief....Jesus always went to the poor, whether poor in food, or poor in spirit. To the rulers of the day, when they subjected the Lord to their "questioning", He kept SILENT, He had NOTHING to say to them. Herod, the high priests were all interlopers to Jesus.

How i would LOVE to see these "occupiers" washing each others feet! Confessing Jesus. How i would love to see some saint with the Glory of God about him or her, stand up and proclaim the Beatitudes in the midst of all that confusion.........so please, forgive my seeming harsh words to you...its not YOU, i direct that to....how i LONG for the day, when the "god of this age" is CAST into the lake of fire. Softly i say, please recognize that a fire is burning in my very bones, and i love you in the Lord, though i do not know you in the flesh, chastened and humbled, neil

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ginnyrose Nov 1, 2011

Neil,

I am glad to see you back - posting. I love your perspective of the 'Holy Ghost'- most Gentiles will say 'Holy Spirit'.

I would urge you to reconsidering in leaving SI...you will likely be back, again, won't you? You have done it several times...

Neil, we need your input, your perspective...I love to hear you talk about the Jewish people, your blood and heritage. If we have Jewish blood flowing in our veins, we are unaware of it, but you know you do.

I love to hear how you speak of the Messiah Jesus, your anticipation of his second coming. Your faith and trust in Him. You are growing and at times it is a very painful process, I know from personal experience. People will hurt you whether intentional or not, it will happen. Sometimes these incidents are essential because it reveals to you who is a part of the body of Christ.

Please reconsider and God bless.

ginnyrose

sermonindex Nov 1, 2011

I would urge you to reconsidering in leaving SI...you will likely be back, again, won't you?

Mother, i AM back, and would to God, He use my words, my heart, my soul, this keyboard with His Love, salted with Grace and Mercy, devoid of ego and pride, and all the muck and junk inherent in this jar of clay.

isnt it obvious, i am back, God in His Good Pleasure saw fit to first crush me, i wont bore you with that testimony, then in His Love He allowed me to flee Jerusalem and come into the land. come into the desolate places, where i live now, moved up here to the wild wood on 21 may, and then to put me in a cave, and then lead me to give study and prayer to those Giants of the Faith, the major Prophets, the minor Prophets, over and over, searching, asking, "Father God, show me your Attributes, show me the Messiah's Attributes, show me the Heart of the Prophets, show me the Heart of the followers of Jesus Messiah!!", and then God the Holy Ghost led me Back into the Gospel Accounts, eating of This Logos...and then one day, i read of a man, excoriating my precious brother Michael Compton, who i love, and i could hold my tongue and keyboard no further, and rebuked this poor man, who i beg God to bless with a Fresh Touch of Jesus.

Mother Ginny, how God loves me your son!!!! His Mercies and His Goodness are all around, a fire burns in my bones. Mother, he has GIVEN me a beautiful cabin on ridge, 2,00o feet in altitude, He has given me barns, barns i so desprately long to gather my brothers and sisters in to pray, He has given me poor land, which must be refurbished, with wisdom....He salted me with Love, meaning the ridge i live on, has neighboring farms, filled with dear souls who have harbored hate for one another, i introduced myself to them all, and each one of them detailed this hate, and i said to them this, "if i ever do anything to offend you, or make you angry, i beg you in Jesus, just come to me, tell me my offense, and you will hear these words from my mouth, 'i'm so sorry, please forgive me, how can i make this right'...and i told them, i CANNOT play into the hate, because i have nothing but Love for you'........you should have seen their faces, they didnt expect THAT. coz THAT is Jesus' Love...not mine, fore "God is love, He who lives in Love, lives in God and God IN him"....God IN him, you, us, the Church.

God told me, "start here, preach the Gospel with love HERE, on this ridge, then go out, into the towns, WHEN I tell you to, and only then. That outward Call i have yet to recieve, but i'm tarrying and i'm HAPPY in God!

Yet i have a thorn in my flesh, but i rest in Him. i have grief in my soul, on this account, my dear son and his mother, who divorced me, are 2,000 miles away, how i long for these two dear people. (i'm crying right now) thats why i never endevoured for an "office" in the Church.....i'm a divorced man. i havent had any doings with a woman since she divorced me. i was the one that made a hash out of this marriage, it was my fault, and i miss her so much, she was not only my wife, but my dearest friend, and still is, as we talk many times during the week.....and she actually extended an invite to me to fly to central coast california to spend Thanksgiving with them, which fills my heart with joy. i cant say anymore on that, except to say, i beg God to give me this marriage back, IF it is His Will, otherwise, i shall never seek another...i CANT...Bless you all for giving me the courage to testify my failings, for they are many.

many of you know, for years, my tent making was in the entertainment industry, such labor, i loathe. i have three books burning in my soul...all books of the Faith...different though. (dont worry! no "shacks"! LOL) but one book is a about a Japanese warrior, a man who changed history, his "memoirs", where he finally reveals to a nation, that he was not what he seemed, he was a Christian....hidden, but its belief that ONE man can change history....another book, i desire to write of the Attributes and the Heart, of both God, Messiah, the prophets and his followers, ONLY as the Lord leads....

But Mother, i AM back, and my prayer is that i be a blessing, however weak and small, in this tent of flesh, i have little time left, and must make the most of it, for Jesus, Whom i love, our Precious Messiah, Whom we all love, and follow, neil

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Creation7 Nov 1, 2011

Thanks for sharing your heart here, Bro. Neil. Please understand, when I reffered to them as "godless socialists and communists", I in no way said that to dismiss them. They are just in that much more need of salvation. You say, "what i'm seeing are helpless and harrassed "sheep" in need of a Sheperd...How i would LOVE to see these "occupiers" washing each others feet! Confessing Jesus. How i would love to see some saint with the Glory of God about him or her, stand up and proclaim the Beatitudes in the midst of all that confusion..." As would I! It's just that many people seem to think that they will bring about such great good by continuing what they're doing, when in fact they are pawns in the hands of Satan and rulers of this world, desperately in need of the Shepherd, as you said.
I think it's great that you don't want to get embroiled in useless arguing. We all could learn from that example. Thanks for coming back on the forum!

In Christ,
Creation7

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