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The whole world is DECEIVED! why? Rev 12:9

sermonindex Nov 5, 2011

Why do Christians all over the world insist on worshiping the creator on Sunday instead of Saturday the 7th day according to the Bible & the 10 Commandments? Why? Read Daniel 7:25

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Who changed the laws and times of Yahweh our creator? the Roman Catholic Church openly admits to changing the times. This is no secret, it has been recorded in many of their literature including The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1946)Peter Geiermann

...It was far from the intentions of the apostles to establish a divine command in this respect; far from them, and from the early apostolic church, to transfer the laws of the Sabbath to Sunday. The History of the Christian Religion and Church by Augustus Neander (Lutheran), page 186.

...The reasons why we keep the first day of the week holy instead of the seventh is for the same reason that we observe many other things, not because of the Bible, but the Church has enjoined it. Plain Sermons on Catechism by Isaac Williams (Anglican, and from which came the Methodists, Wesleyans, and Pentecostals), Volume 1, pages 334 and 336.

...The Catechismus Romanus was commanded by the Council
of Trent and published by the Vatican Press by order of Pope
14 Pius V, in 1566. This catechism for priests says: “It pleased the church of God, that the religious celebration of the Sabbath day should be transferred to ‘the Lord’s day’.” Catechism of the Council of Trent (Donovan’s translation, 1867), part 3, chap. 4, pg.345. The same, in a slightly different wording, is in the McHugh and Callan translation (1937 ed), pg. 402.

There are literally hundreds of quotes from the Catholics themselves that prove this fact. Repent from breaking the 4th commandment, it's not too late.

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Sree Nov 5, 2011

Do you know why we Christians don't keep sabbath?

sermonindex Nov 5, 2011

No I don't know why, please enlighten me.

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Solomon101 Nov 5, 2011

I do have a question then. When Paul received input from the Jewish Christian counsel in Jerusalem for what laws were required to be kept by the new gentile believers they made no mention of a specific worship day.

The only requirements were as follows- from Acts 15.

23. The apostles and elders, your brothers,
To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia:
Greetings.28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements: 29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.
Farewell.
Acts 15:28-29

It appears that the "apostles and elders" listed in verse 23 had no belief at all that the gentiles should be entreated to follow a one day emphasis on Saturday worship. In fact we find later that Paul tells the churches to regard ALL days as unto the Lord... not just one. It seems that an undue emphasis on Saturday worship limits ones ability to focus on and enjoy God the other six days. Worship and commune with Him every day..not just Saturday... or Sunday for that matter!

Blessings.

sermonindex Nov 5, 2011

Here is the correct translation of Acts 15:28

(28)for it was judged right by the Holy Spirit, and us, to put on you no more requirements, than those which are required in the Law of Yahweh;

It is easy to misunderstand a verse due to a translation error which the King James version has thousands. Paul never said anything about Saturday or Sunday worship in that passage because the Law had already established the Sabbath, he was emphasizing on the issues that new believers were having problems with overcoming. ie sexual immorality, sacrifices to idols (god worship)...

Also, keep in mind that they didn't have the New Testament to confuse them, they only had the teachings from the Old Testament (Torah)which all the Apostles including the Messiah knew very well and taught. Paul wasn't confused and was not teaching anything that contradicts the teachings of the Messiah or the Apostles.

May Yahweh continue to bless your understanding.

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Solomon101 Nov 5, 2011

Uh.....yeah. Well.....I don't know what to say......I am not "confused" nor did I give you the King James translation.

In fact I, or a great many of people on these forums, can give it a direct translation from the Greek ourselves. I am not sure why you think that translation you used is the "correct" English rendering except that it is one you have found to back your point. What translation is that exactly?

I can say of a certainty that your information on this is inaccurate. Those verses in the original writings do not say at all what you are insinuating. They just simply don't. If you are still wanting to maintain your position then I might humbly suggest taking some Greek classes. It is important that we make certain we are understanding what the Holy Spirit's original intent was in the words. It is not important that those words fit into our preconceived theologies.

Blessings as you pursue that end.

sermonindex Nov 5, 2011

Well said Solomon, my position is not carved in stone, I am also learning daily. At the end of the day who's word will you take, the Commandments issued by Yahweh our creator, or Paul. In a nutshell, what you are saying is Paul's words (even though it's mistranslated) supersedes that of the Almighty Creator. Yahweh. It just doesn't add up.

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Creation7 Nov 5, 2011

In a nutshell, what you are saying is Paul's words (even though it's mistranslated) supersedes that of the Almighty Creator. Yahweh. It just doesn't add up.


Hmmm...Supersedes? You seem to think they contradict one another. Do really believe Scripture is contradictory?

sermonindex Nov 5, 2011

Not at all, scripture is not contradictory, that's what I was trying to explain to Solomon in the previous post.

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flameoffire Nov 5, 2011

Colossians 2:16-17
English Standard Version (ESV)
Let No One Disqualify You

16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon OR A SABBATH. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Colossians 2:16-17
New King James Version (NKJV)
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon OR SABBATHS, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

This verse is clear that it is not which about which day you set aside and furthermore that we should not tolerate being judged on such issues. The church calendar and the Jewish calendar vary and have had jump starts and errors through the dark and middle ages, so we can't be sure that Saturday is really Saturday and Sunday is really Sunday.

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lindi1208 Nov 5, 2011

Brothers and sisters in Christ the answer to any question is found in the Word of God. There are plenty of scriptures in the new testament which guide believers and teach us that the certain of our worship is Christ Jesus our Lord. The day each believer chooses to do so wether it is on on a sabatth or a Sunday is acceptable to the One who we worship. He searches our hearts and minds when we worship. True the sabbath is commanded in the ten commandments , in Matt 12 v 8 Jesus tells the pharisees that He is Lord even over the Sabbath. In Colossians 2 v 16- 17 Paul says we should not judge each other regarding festivals,food,drink and sabbaths which are a shadow of things to come but let the SUBSTANCE IS CHRIST JESUS. The main goal for us a believers is to Love the Lord Our God with all our hearts and to love one another.Love does not seeks it's own but rejoices in truth and loves endures all things. When we look down on other believers who whole heartedly worship God on a Sunday, or Wednesday we who choose to worship on a sabbath are we saying that Christ did not lay down His life for that brother or sister? The word of God says what each of us believes should not cause another brother to stumble so by trying to endorse all believers to worship on a sabbath are we not causing those brothers and sisters to doubt their worship of Our Father on their chosen day. I believe we should worship our Lord Jesus Christ 24/7 hence for myself an actual day is irrelevant. The centre of Our Worship is Christ Jesus not the day of worship and He alone is worthy to be worshipped every single day be it a sabbath or a Sunday .Revelation 4 v 8 the living creatures do not rest day or night saying Holy, Holy, Holy Lord God Almighty, Who was and is and is to come! Hallelujah Our Lord Jesus Christ is worshipped forever and ever day and night!

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Sree Nov 5, 2011

Brothers and Sisters,

Just to add to all these verses, I wanted to share the spiritual meaning of Sabbath. I as a Christian follow Sabbath. The true spirit of Sabbath is to rest with God and to do the will of God. This is what Jesus tried to say when he healed people which was God's will on Sabbath. But in Old Testament people were so busy with life that they did not have time to do the will of God in day today life. They had only Law with them which never guided them but only showed them what is Sin. So they observed one day not to do anything other than reading God's word.
Now in new Testament, God has given us Holy Spirit through which we are reconciled with God. Since we have the Holy Spirit, we have the law written in our hearts and we do God's will all the time. So it is no longer a day of a week that we observe as Sabbath but everyday is a Sabbath meaning we do the will of God everyday.
I go to Church to fellowship with other believers who do the will of God and to form the Body of Christ. I do not go to Church like how the Jews in old testament went to Synagogue, to do the will of God, because I do it all the time.

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Creation7 Nov 5, 2011

Colossians 2:16-17
English Standard Version (ESV)
Let No One Disqualify You

16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon OR A SABBATH. 17 These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ.

Colossians 2:16-17
New King James Version (NKJV)
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon OR SABBATHS, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

This verse is clear that it is not which about which day you set aside and furthermore that we should not tolerate being judged on such issues. The church calendar and the Jewish calendar vary and have had jump starts and errors through the dark and middle ages, so we can't be sure that Saturday is really Saturday and Sunday is really Sunday.


Well said, flameoffire. These verses are very clear.

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lylewise Nov 5, 2011

Great! Now comes the post after I have kindled a fire this morning to make my kids breakfast. Oh wait, does that count if the range is self lighting? One can get so confused making all the applications that come from this.

Christ seems to have shattered the efforts of men to keep such things as he expounds the depths of holiness and love. You say you don't commit adultery? What about the adultery you commit with your eyes and mind? You say you love your neighbor, then weigh it against a story I'm going to tell you about a certain Samaritan.

There are seven possibilities a week for worshipping and praising our Lord and Savior. May we take advantage of every one.

sermonindex Nov 6, 2011

Interesting! the replies to this thread proves my point.

Revelations 12:9 ...And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who DECEIVES THE WHOLE WORLD.

Exodus 20:8-11—
8 Remember the Sabbath Day, to keep it Holy.
9 Six days you shall labor and do all
your work,10 But the Seventh Day is the Sabbath
of Yahweh your Heavenly Father. In it you shall not do any of your work...

A simple command issued by our Heavenly Father whom we claim to love, yet Christians have made every excuse in the book to break it. It doesn't matter they say, then why do we do we work from Monday to Friday and congregate by the millions on Sunday to worship our creator. You really believe this crap?

The deception is deep, the ADVERSARY is robbing us of our reward. Brethren, we are being deceived to the utmost.

1 John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. KJV

Praise Yahweh.
May Yahweh continue to bless your understanding.

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