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WLP Jan 3, 2005

Dear Mac user, I just discovered this site and wonder how best to download files, so as to save them on my computer to listen to again. I have a Mac iBook computer and use system 9.2 software. I also have an iTunes player on my computer that apparently uses the MP3 format. I also have a quicktime player. Can you help me get started? Thanks!

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KeithLaMothe Jan 3, 2005

I'd help, but I know very little about using Macs. Does right clicking the download link not bring up a little menu with "Save As..."? ... Oh, if I recall correctly, Mac mice only have 1 button, so no right clicking ;-)How do you normally download things from the internet? Or is that the question?Here's a test direct download link:Ten Shekels and a ShirtOr the url itself:https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=282

sermonindex Jan 3, 2005

I'd help, but I know very little about using Macs. Does right clicking the download link not bring up a little menu with "Save As..."? ... Oh, if I recall correctly, Mac mice only have 1 button, so no right clickinI am actually using an mac computer now (ibook 12" with Mac OSx operating system). I am using an microsoft mouse with the computer so I have both right and left click. I think if you have a one-click mouse you hold down the apple key or option or ctrl to get the contextual menu.What I do is simply right click on the link and choose the option "Download Linked File As...." then that gives me a visit.php file in the popup but I jsut change it to the sermon name and it works.

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WLP Jan 3, 2005

Thanks for answering my question. Here’s the results of my attempt to do what you suggested.\tBy using the control key and the mouse I was able to open a pop up window, giving me several options. The one I chose was “download link to disc.” \tAs you suggested, a “save as” box appeared and I too saved the file by sermon name.\tThe file was then downloaded onto my desk.\tBut here’s the problem. As I double click on the file on my desk, an error message comes up stating, “could not find the application program that created the document.” So I could not play the sermon file.\tDo you have any other suggestions? Or clarifications? Because clearly you’re able to play files on your Mac.\tThanks again! I appreciate your help greatly!

sermonindex Jan 3, 2005

Just open a music playing application and then browse for the file to open it.Or do an info on the file and then choose the appropriate music player application to be associated with it.

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RobertW Jan 4, 2005

I am actually using an mac computer now (ibook 12" with Mac OSx operating system). :-o OSX? Wow, I thought I was the only Mac user around here. ;-)

sermonindex Jan 4, 2005

OSX? Wow, I thought I was the only Mac user around here.hehe yea I have somewhat converted.. well the email I use gives it away now also: sermonindex@mac.comI still use PC Computers but the 12" ibook is very small and will be very comfortable to use at bible school and was the cheapest laptop for its size available. SermonIndex is not as mac friendly as it should be but we have to remember how many mac users actually use the site (I would guess below 2%).

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WLP Jan 4, 2005

Thanks for your answer!I attempted to carry out both suggestions but was not successful in either. I may not be clear on how to do so.First I opened a music playing application, iTunes. Looking at the menu options of iTunes, I did not find a browse feature. I did find an “add to library option” under the file menu. I selected the downloaded file in this way--but the sermon wasn’t added to the iTunes library, though I attempted to open it within the iTunes application. Also under the advanced menu file of iTunes there is a “convert to MP3” option. I selected the download file in this way as well and attempted to convert it to my iTunes player. A window came up, saying that it was unable to convert the file. The only other browser option I could think of was Sherlock, and I wasn’t clear how this would apply to opening the file--so as to play it. I did open the file within Sherlock, but again received the message: “Could not find the application program that created the document.”I also tried to open the document with my QuickTime Player and was not successful in doing so. QuickTime wouldn’t even read the file, so as to select it for opening.On the second suggestion, I did get info on the sermon file, using the “get info” option from the file menu. It listed the file type as a document file rather than a MP3 file. I’m unsure how to choose the appropriate music player to be associated with this document file.Can you be more specific about how to carry these steps out. How do I get iTunes to open this document up and play it?Again, thanks for your help Greg--or any of the other Mac users!Maybe this dialogue will help others in the future as well. Let's hope so!Glad to hear of your desire and plans to attend Bible College.

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KeithLaMothe Jan 4, 2005

Might I propose the judicious application of an aluminum baseball bat? :-)Barring that, try downloading it again and see if there's any kind of option related to the file type, and make sure you save it as an mp3.If it's an mp3 (which most of the sermons here are, including the one I listed above) it should play in iTunes.

sermonindex Jan 4, 2005

Might I propose the judicious application of an aluminum baseball bat?lol... I like the feel of wood ones myself :-P but seriously brother when you downloaded the file I think you have to rename it as an mp3.... so it will first appear as an visit.php file but then you need to rename it to shekels.mp3 or something like that.Also you might want to download a package called: "igetter" I know one brother that uses that for this site that has a mac. keep us posted.

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philologos Jan 4, 2005

lol... I like the feel of wood ones myselfsad! how these denominational differences keep surfacing!

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crsschk Jan 5, 2005

Hehe...It's not supposed to go 'tink' when you make contact.Strictly wood-acostal. :knockedout:

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WLP Jan 5, 2005

Thanks again for your help! And by the way I'm a tradionalist. No metal bats for me. Thankfully too, Christ has been living in me to be my patience during this process--by grace through faith. So I've not needed a bat at all.The saving of the file as a document does seem to be the problem. It's not saving the sermon as an MP3 file but a document file. And I can't find an option that allows this--or don't know where to look to find one.On the Internet Explorer version I have for my iBook I can press down my control key and my mouse to reveal a pop up window. If I choose the option "open link in a new window", a new window opens and loads the sermon somehow--without using my download manager. When the loading is complete, a internet explorer player appears and I can play the sermon. So that's great news!But here's my further problem. With this internet explorer player open, I can go to my file menu and choose "save as." The computer saves a copy as a QuickTime movie to my desktop.As I select the get info option to learn about the file, it shows the size to be ONLY 24K!! Where did the original 8 MB get saved to?Were they saved somewhere in internet explorer? I can't find them--nor can Sherlock.But the result is, I can't seem to save the sermons to replay them.Any thoughts about where these files might be located--and how to save the sermon for further use?I checked on the iGetter. Good suggestion--but it only works for system 10. I use system 9.2 still.Thanks again.

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KeithLaMothe Jan 5, 2005

On further thought, I realized that an aluminum bat would probably be conductive enough to make it dangerous as an instrument of computer discipline; monitors have a lot of voltage going into that CRT.Just goes to show that those new-fangled doctrines tend to be dangerous ;-)As for the file saving the wrong way... I think, due to the much smaller size, that what you're actually downloading is just some kind of document that encapsulates the link to the mp3, or something like that (24K is a good bit bigger than most html though, no?). In any case, that would make it no surprise that it's just a "document" instead of an mp3.You could try bringing it up to play and (while it's being played) hunting through your "Temporary Internet Files" directory for a suspiciously 8 Megabyte-ish (or however big it should be) looking file, copying it to some other directory as another filename, then stopping the mp3 playback, and trying to open the copy (IE should be able to run it if you go to the File Menu in the browser, click open, then browse to the file; alternatively you could put the local path in the url bar).Computers don't cooperate easily, you have to trick them.

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philologos Jan 5, 2005

btw are these the same Apple users who keep telling us DOS/windows folk that their operating system is intuitive? (I have a son who works for Apple in the UK and is slowly converting the family!!)I suspect this,now old fashioned, list was compiled by Apple users... 1. Cannot find REALITY.SYS. Universe halted. 2. COFFEE.EXE Missing - Insert Cup and Press Any Key 3. Buy a Pentium 586/90 so you can reboot faster. 4. 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2. 5. Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes. 6. Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. 7. My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. 8. C:\\WINDOWS C:\\WINDOWS\\GO C:\\PC\\CRAWL 9. C:\\DOS C:\\DOS\\RUN RUN\\DOS\\RUN 10. The information went data way -------- 11. Best file compression around: "DEL ." = 100% compression 12. The Definition of an Upgrade: Take old bugs out, put new ones in. 13. BREAKFAST.COM Halted...Cereal Port Not Responding 14. The name is Baud......, James Baud. 15. BUFFERS=20 FILES=15 2nd down, 4th quarter, 5 yards to go! 16. Access denied-nah nah na nah nah! 17. C:\\ Bad command or file name! Go stand in the corner. 18. Bad command. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaay.. 19. Why doesn't DOS ever say "EXCELLENT command or filename!" 20. As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing. 21. Southern DOS: Y'all reckon? (Yep/Nope) 22. Backups? We don' NEED no steenking backups. 23. E Pluribus Modem 24. ... File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N) 25. Ethernet (n): something used to catch the Etherbunny 26. A mainframe: The biggest PC peripheral available. 27. An error? Impossible! My modem is error correcting. 28. CONGRESS.SYS Corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C. (Y/N)? 29. Does fuzzy logic tickle? 30. A computer's attention span is as long as its power cord. 31. 11th commandment - Covet not thy neighbor's Pentium. 32. 24 hours in a day...24 Cokes in a case...coincidence? 33. Disinformation is not as good as datinformation. 34. Windows: Just another pane in the glass. 35. SENILE.COM found . . . Out Of Memory ... 36. Who's General Failure & why is he reading my disk? 37. Ultimate office automation: networked coffee. 38. RAM disk is not an installation procedure. 39. Shell to DOS...Come in DOS, do you copy? Shell to DOS... 40. All computers wait at the same speed. 41. DEFINITION: Computer - A device designed to speed and automate errors. 42. Go ahead, make my data! 43. Smash forehead on keyboard to continue..... 44. Enter any 11-digit prime number to continue... 45. ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI! 46. E-mail returned to sender-insufficient voltage. 47. Help! I'm modeming... and I can't hang up!!! 48. All wiyht. Rho sritched mg kegtops awound? 49. Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue. 50. "640K ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates, 1981 51. DOS Tip #17: Add DEVICE=FNGRCROS.SYS to CONFIG.SYS 52. Hidden DOS secret: add BUGS=OFF to your CONFIG.SYS 53. Press any key to continue or any other key to quit... 54. Press any key...... no, No, NO!! Not THAT one! 55. Press -- to continue ...

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KeithLaMothe Jan 5, 2005

Ah, ol' DOS, this brings back memories; the days when a program could freely overwrite the OS's memory... well, the days when the OS writers were honest about that little feature ;-)21. Southern DOS: Y'all reckon? (Yep/Nope)We down here in the South have entered the GUI age:

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WLP Jan 8, 2005

Again, thanks for your help--those of you who are giving computer counsel.As to the Mac comments, don’t look negatively upon the Mac based on my inexperience. Keep in mind SermonIndex, according to my understanding, has been designed for PC users. The fact that we Mac users can keep up at all is pretty remarkable. We have a PC that my kids use, a new one. It’s always freezing up and running into problems. My Macs over the years (I’ve had four) have been smooth running and breakdown free. I wouldn’t trade my Mac in for anything else--irrespective of needing to adapt in a case like this with SermonIndex. Here’s an update on my progress...I was able to locate the Microsoft cache and did indeed find a file with a 10 MB size that had just been downloaded. But I couldn’t figure out how to save it. I did drag it into my iTunes Music folder, where the other music files are located for iTunes to read. Didn’t help. The sermon still wasn’t saved for replay.After listening to a sermon the first time around, if I close my Internet Explorer program, the sermon won’t replay--even though I’ve saved the link from the Microsoft Player to my desk top (which I’ve then dragged to my iTunes player for play there.)So saving the Internet Explorer File seems to be the need at hand. Any other suggestions to this end?Perhaps I need to contact Microsoft to see what they say.IF YOU WANT TO HEAR A TREMENDOUS AND POTENTIALLY LIFE CHANGING SERMON, CHECK OUT MANLEY BEASLEY ON HEBREWS 11!Thanks again for your help!! I’m trusting Him for a solution! It would be great to play some of these sermons over and over again. Faith does come by hearing!

sermonindex Jan 8, 2005

Thanks again for your help!! I’m trusting Him for a solution! It would be great to play some of these sermons over and over again.Brother there are many ways to do this.. you need to slow down and stick with one and get it to work. As I said before:1) load safari browswer.2) Put your mouse over the sermon link and get the right click menu.. ie hold down control and click.3) choose "download linked file as"4) choose your desktop and press save5) open itunes and add the file to your library.try it with this file below:Ten Shekels and a Shirt by Paris Reidhead

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jouko Jan 8, 2005

A friend of mine gave this advice,(I'll blame him if it doesn't work) and he ONLY uses Apple.Click import on file.Download to desktop.Go to iTunes.Import into iTunes from desktop by clicking file.or.....??go to preferences in iTunesimport as mp3 into iTunes.or...import as aiff files instead of mp3.Hope it helps, if not, I'll supply his e-mail and I'm on holidays.jouko

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crsschk Jan 8, 2005

IF YOU WANT TO HEAR A TREMENDOUS AND POTENTIALLY LIFE CHANGING SERMON, CHECK OUT MANLEY BEASLEY ON HEBREWS 11! Hebrews 11by Manley BeasleyThanks for the heads up WLP, always appreciate recommended messages being that there are so many to choose from here. It's what can produce'discoveries' like Keith Daniel, who, though his messages were here in part suddenly came to many's attention from just a suggestion.

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