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The Martyrdom of Polycarp: Alternate Ending

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KingJimmy Dec 23, 2011

The Martyrdom of Polycarp: Alternate Ending

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Jimmy Humphrey

Polycarp, the pastor of the First Church of Smyrna, made his way to the front of the church to shake the hands of parishioners on their way out the door. He had preached a particularly moving message that morning, one he knew would liberate many to live the life of Christ. Pastor Polycarp explained how by turning the other cheek, praying for your enemies, and not looking out for your own rights, one would embrace the cross of Jesus Christ. And by embracing the cross, one would find true and everlasting life.

One by one members of his church stopped to thank him for being so bold and truthful in the pulpit. One woman thanked him for the message, and rejoiced over the new found freedom she had in the Savior. No longer would she be shackled by the past, and the family that had mistreated her as a child. Instead of looking at her father in hatred for the abuse she suffered at his hands, she would look at him in love, forgiving him not only as an act of her will, but as an act that extended out of the depths of her heart. A heart that had been changed once and for all.

Pastor Polycarp was touched by this testimony. He was an aged man-- eighty-six years old. And though he had seen Christ touch the lives of many over the years, and had heard dozens of such testimonies similar to this woman, he never ceased to be blessed every time somebody stopped to tell him what Christ had done for them. He was excited to be a participant of the new creation God was forming, and he listened to each story as if it were the first time he had ever heard such a thing. It never failed to move him to tears.

Pastor Polycarp slowly made his way home after Sunday morning service. It was a beautiful day. So much so that one could almost forget that the times one was living in were dangerous times. The Roman government had recently started cracking down on Christians. Gathering together was becoming more and more difficult. It was not uncommon for Christians to be harassed by small mobs in the streets. A few of the members of the First Church of Smyrna had nearly died in one recent incident. The entire church was on alert.

Finally making it home, pastor Polycarp and his extended family settled in for the day. Carefully looking behind him, Polycarp closed the door and locked it. He was a little worried after seeing a few Roman soldiers patrolling the street. He is pretty sure that he heard a small child point him out to one of the soldiers. "That's Polycarp right there!"

Rome had become particularly interested in who the leaders of the churches were in recent times. They identified them as part of the "sect" that was causing trouble throughout the Empire. After consulting some of the oracles, many in the government believed that if they could undermine the leadership of the church, that they would appease the gods and restore Rome to the glory she once knew. Life and liberty would be theirs again!

As Polycarp and his family quietly ate dinner, they heard a commotion outside. It was the sound of hoofs beating against the cobblestone road outside. There were voices shouting back and forth at one another. Everything became quiet. Then a pounding was heard.

"Polycarp, bishop of Smyrna, in the name of Caesar, we command you to open up your door!"

Polycarp thought this day might come. He understood the times he was living in, and paid very close attention to the news. Rome had finally come for him! Everybody stood up at the table, as Polycarp made his way to the door. He carefully opened it.

"Are you Polycarp, leader of the local Christian sect?"

"Why, yes I am. How can I help you?"

"Polycarp, you are under arrest! You are being tried with treason, and disturbing the peace of Rome!"

Finally, the day he had long dreaded was here. A cold chill went down his spine. Looking the Roman soldier in the eye, Polycarp calmly replied, "One moment sir. Please allow me to gather my things." The soldier nodded, and Polycarp turned around and made his way for his bedroom. Polycarp knew what he must do.

As he walked across the hallway, Polycarp stopped, and kissed his wife on the head. "My love!" He bent over and gave one of his grand children a warm hug. Everybody in the room began to weep. Tearing up himself, with a deep emotion clearly in his voice, he said to everybody, "Don't worry. It will be ok."

As Polycarp made his way up the stairs, the cold chill that had rushed down his spine now became a white heat burning in his heart. His eyes went from being sad with tears to being mad with anger. He began to mutter whispers under his breath.

"This cannot happen to me!"

"My family is in danger... I must protect them!"

"How dare Rome violate my rights... I'm a citizen! I've done nothing wrong!"

"This is a grave injustice!"

"I must do something!"

As Polycarp made his way into the bedroom, he knelt at his bedside. Then, he stuck his hand under the mattress, and began to feel around. There it is. He found it. A long blade he could conceal under his cloak.

Making his way back down the stairs, he reassured his family that everything would be ok. He told them not to worry. God would look out after him. He made his way over to the Roman soldier who was impatiently waiting for him.

"Are you ready to go?" the soldier asked.

Polycarp nodded.

The soldier grabbed him by the arm, and led him outside. Polycarp's family lamented in anguish as they saw their beloved led away to the slaughter.

Polycarp kept his eyes wide open. Because of his age, he knew if he were to be successful, he must take advantage of the most opportune moment. He knew he would only get one chance.

And finally, the time came. The soldier became careless in his handling of Polycarp. As he secured Polycarp to his chariot, his eye caught a local temple prostitute as she made her way down the street. Briefly turning his back to Polycarp, the pastor saw his opportunity had finally come.

Reaching into his cloak, Polycarp grabbed his sword and quickly pushed the point of it through the exposed back side of the solider. Air quickly left the lungs of the unsuspecting man, as he fell over into a heap on the ground.

Before the other Roman soldiers could notice, Polycarp quickly ducked into a dark alley next to his house. He called out to his family through a window. Quickly, they all snuck out the back door, and fled to the catacombs.

There for the next several weeks, Polycarp gathered members of his congregation for secret meetings in which they plotted the overthrow of the oppressive Roman government.

"For the past few decades, our presence as Christians has been rapidly growing. And the more we grow, the more Rome tries to oppress us and to trample on our rights. But as citizens of the Republic, we cannot allow this to happen. Rome will not deny us of our God given rights. We have the right to assemble and worship God as we see fit. We have the freedom of speech. We have the right to bear arms! And wherever an oppressive dictator exists, God demands we throw off the chains of our oppression, and fight for our freedom."

And as Polycarp thundered from his make-shift pulpit under the streets of Rome, an arrow suddenly pierced his heart as hundreds of soldiers quickly descended upon the assembly. After the clamor had settled, a search was made for the body of Polycarp. Finding it, they brought it above the streets, and set it on fire in a public square for all to see.

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sermonindex Dec 24, 2011

There is something very disturbing about todays church in this parable.

Blaine

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KingJimmy Dec 24, 2011

Amen. I'm glad you see it.

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Jeremy221 Dec 24, 2011

I know several people who hold the same hypocritical views and would turn against Christ in a heartbeat if their 'rights' were violated. I think we will see the fruit of the rebellion and hatred that founded our nation coming to bear to the shame of many who take the Name of Christ publicly.

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dietolive Dec 24, 2011

Hi Brother Jimmy,

You have well written this. I myself have read the Martyrdom of Polycarp, and your alternative ending seems very odd, and unbiblical, as I am sure you intended. I assume you are trying to implicate the American Christians, since the time of independence from the Empire of Great Britain in the 18th Century.

However, your comparison is "apples to oranges", because the early Church lived as disarmed political slaves in a conquered and occupied military police-state. Americans on the other hand, (like the ancient Israelites under their Republic), are freemen, "de jure".

Dear Brother, I am still considering this very matter myself... How would you conclude this alternative, alternative ending:

...The governor of Asia minor, a convert to the Faith of Jesus Christ, suddenly declared the province to be FREE and INDEPENDENT from Roman domination. He institutes reforms, allowing freedom of religion and speech, and the freedom to buy and sell without the Roman fascist interventions into the economy that had so long plagued and stymied the commerce of the Empire before. Instead of constantly debasing the currency, for instance, (as the Empire constantly did to pay for its excess and wars), the governor instituted gold and silver money with no theft through inflation allowed. He reminded the people what the Lord had said:

"A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight." Proverbs 11:1


Facing imminent invasion from the superior and overwhelming forces of the Roman Empire, he calls upon the people of Smyrna and elsewhere in Asia to prepare for the coming war, allowing them the freedom to fully arm themselves for the first time as freeman, saying:

"Be not ye afraid of them: remember the Lord, which is great and terrible, and fight for your brethren, your sons, and your daughters, your wives, and your houses." Nehemiah 4:14


Polycarp knew full-well that invasion was imminent. Should the governor's defensive forces fail, they all, to the last man woman and child would either be crucified alive, or sold as the lowest form of bond-slaves to the highest bidder.

He brought his congregation together, and said to them, "You know what the apostle Paul instructed us, concerning our rulers, when he wrote to the Romans saying:

"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake." Romans 13:1-5

"Our governor," Polycarp continued, "is a good man, and "the minister of God", that God has "ordained" over us. He has sought to render righteous judgment in his administration. Truly, and we all know this to be true ourselves, he has remembered the word of the Lord, which says:

"Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy." Psalm 82.3


Polycarp continued, "Yet even now, he seeks to break the chains of bondage that Rome has fastened around the feet of the people of this land. Yet what shall we, as Christians, do at such a time as this? I would never have believed that freedom in this life was even possible, yet the Lord has given it to us... What shall we do, my brothers? What says the Scriptures?

You will remember, my brothers, that John the Baptist taught the soldiers of Herod to refrain from lying about people to accuse them of crimes in order steal from them, even while he told them to continue to receive pay as soldiers. The blessed Luke tells us:

"And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages." Luke 3:14


"And we know", Polycarp went on, "that Jesus fully received the Roman centurion, giving this foreign soldier the highest praise in all Israel, and plainly implying that such a one as he would certainly be found in the eternal Kingdom of God. Matthew the apostle tells us:

"And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,
And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.
And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 8:5-11


"Yet, our Lord also said,"

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth:
But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. " Matthew 5:38-39

"And the blessed Paul said,"

"Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men." Romans 12:17

"Well, my Brothers,", Polycarp continued, after a long solemn pause, "what will the Lord have us to do in this matter? Shall we obey our governor that God has placed over us? Shall we help in the defense of this city and this new Republic? Or shall we do nothing? Or shall we go over to the unbelieving Romans?"

All eyes were fixed on Polycarp. He looked upon the people, and then he looked up, and raising his withered hands towards heaven, he prayed, "Oh Lord of Heaven and of Earth. Give us each wisdom to know Thy will in this matter..."

sermonindex Dec 24, 2011

I an reminded if a chapter in Richard Wormbrandt's book Tortured for Christ. He described when the Russian army came in to occupy Rumanian, the Christians gave them gospel tracts. The gospel must be our weapon to our enemies. That and a prayerful loving heart filled with Jesus. We would do well to read the words of the Master as found in the Sermon on the Mount then listen to the political rhetoric of our day.

Blaine Scogin

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KingJimmy Dec 24, 2011

Art Katz used to say, "We are far too American." My parable here, while covering the Revolutionary War and other wars, isn't meant as a critique of those activities as much as it is in exposing how worldly we can be in mind and spirit, and how quickly we yield to those things when push comes to shove. We live in warm and fuzzy world theologically, but lack real world application. We are hypocrites at the end of the day. Much of our faith is but make believe.

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KingJimmy Dec 24, 2011

That's a powerful illustration martyr. Thanks for sharing.

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Lysa Dec 24, 2011

kingjimmy wrote:
Reaching into his cloak, Polycarp grabbed his sword and quickly pushed the point of it through the exposed back side of the solider. Air quickly left the lungs of the unsuspecting man, as he fell over into a heap on the ground.

While reading this I thought of Peter cutting off the ear of one of the high priests servants (John 18) and how Jesus told him, “Put your sword into its sheath; shall I not drink the cup that the Father has given me?” And being not far removed from Jesus, I think that Polycarp would have known that he had to drink his own and yet the same cup that Jesus did and I do not think that kill a soldier would have been part of that cup. He is probably rolling over in his grave at your rendition of his “alternate ending.”

I sincerely ask, what was your point to changing the ending to his life to be less glorious than it actually was?

God bless,
Lisa

sermonindex Dec 24, 2011

Lisa I don't think Kingjimmy was trying to be disrespectful of Pokycarp. I think his parable was to convey a message to the worldly minded western church.

Blaine

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KingJimmy Dec 25, 2011


However, your comparison is "apples to oranges", because the early Church lived as disarmed political slaves in a conquered and occupied military police-state.

Sorry for not replying to this in more detail sooner. I've not been able to sit down to an actual computer to reply. All of my replies have been by means of my Kindle Fire, and don't like to type long detailed responses using a touch screen :-)

A comment like this concerns me, because in my opinion, it puts a Christian into a "situational" sort of ethical system. The ethics of whether or not one should participate in the sort of thing here should not be determined by the degree of political influence and position one has in a government.

Indeed, the horrifying situation you describe as an alternate alternate ending to the martyrdom of Polycarp isn't too far removed from first century Palestine that Josephus describes in the "War of the Jews." The Jewish people were tired of being oppressed by their Roman occupiers, and having their own political leadership and making claim to the covenant promises of God, and having a strong desire to live free, attempted 2 rebellions against Rome. Of which, they were utterly crushed by.

The attitude which led to this slaughter was the attitude alive and well in the Zealot party that existed during the earthly ministry of Christ, and there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that Jesus agreed with this ethic. Quite the opposite, he opposed it at every single turn.

Christ constantly preached that we should love our enemies and pray for them. If somebody violated your rights by forcing you to go one mile, you should go with them two. If they violated you by slapping you on one cheek, you should turn to them the other cheek also. If somebody sued you for your shirt, you were to give them your coat also. Instead of asserting your rights, you were to deny them.

And many Christians will agree with these statements when it comes to interpersonal conflicts. But when we start talking about the State or politics, the words of Christ take a back seat. The alternate ending you suggest implies that Polycarp only died a martyr's death because the Church had yet to gain enough political influence and power to do anything else. The alternate ending you suggest implies that had the balance of political power been tilted more in the favor of the Church, then an attempted political revolution and rebellion similar to that of the Wars of the Jews would have been preferred.

But the ways of Christ know nothing of the Jewish rebellion of the first century. Christ would not agree with us running around acting like William Wallace did in the movie Braveheart, or as we did in American in 1776. Such a mindset is entirely worldly.

While we as Christians have an obligation to submit ourselves to the law of the land and our political leaders, and while government does have a role to play in the administration of justice and the punishment of the wicked, the logic of this does not mean we as Christians are to use the power of the State to engage in rebellion, nor are we to participate in the State when she wages war. For as mentioned in the "War No More" thread, since the coming of Christ, the Lord has taught us that we are not to learn war anymore. For a bold alternative has been given to the waging of war by one nation against another. Peace is to be preached and pursued at all cost. Even if that means we and those we care about most must die in the process.

To submit ourselves to the wars of the State would be to directly violate the law of Christ, which according to Isaiah 2, is utterly against the idea of war. Jesus Christ is against war, and as the Lord of all creation, we must submit to His rule and reign before we submit to the State. The State has no authority to cause us to act contrary to the ways of Christ.


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KingJimmy Dec 25, 2011


I sincerely ask, what was your point to changing the ending to his life to be less glorious than it actually was?

This alternate ending is not by any means an attempt to diminish the actual martyrdom of Polycarp. Rather, by giving this alternate ending, I think I only actually reinforce how glorious his story actually is. For in providing this alternate ending, I show that if Polycarp would've been more like us in our mindset, the glorious story of his martyrdom would've actually been lost forever. For it is my contention in this parable that many of us in the church, especially in America, can better identify with the Polycarp of this parable rather than the Polycarp of actual history. And I believe that is a terrible shame.

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dietolive Dec 25, 2011

Dear Brother Jimmy,

Thank you for taking the time to respond. In reply to what you wrote, I would but mention that God said not to kill in the Old Testament, and required the people to apply this command differently according to the situation. So much for your concern. God was the God of peace in the Old Testament that our Lord Jesus read too, my Brother.

Also, the Jewish rebellion of 70 A.D. was foretold by Christ, and He told His believers to flee the city when it happened, so the Christians would not have supported it, and nor would I, if I had been there.

Concerning this whole discussion:

I have often wondered about the "pure" pacifist position, and have and still do respect those who hold to it. I wrote what I did to you with genuine concern and with a questioning mind.

In fact, I had thought that those who held to this position were what others held them up to be: super-spiritual saints of God, who cared nothing for this life, but only for the life to come. "They held the moral high ground", as they claimed. Though I could never square up all the Scriptures with this position, until I could have my questions answered, I at least respected them and held them in esteem as my brethren in the Lord.

But after writing to you and voicing some of my concerns from the Scriptures, now I have been called by you and others, "worldly", a "hypocrite", a "hater", and a "rebel." I have seen the total lack of respect and esteem you have for me and those of us who just don't see the Scriptures as you do.

And after watching the movie from the other thread, I was particularly grieved. They condescendingly write again and again, "Did Jesus really mean what he said?" And the two brothers again and again condescendingly implied that we who just cannot agree with their "pure" pacifism are faithless.

However, the thing that grieved me the most, was the very man in the story that they laud, who didn't defend those under his protection, when the Lord had given him the means to. He wasn't just giving up his own life, but the lives of those whom God had entrusted to his care. Then his wife and daughter and son were murdered. Then while he was a slave with the Indians, he earned their trust but only to lie and deceive them, and then rob their firearm, bullets, and powder in making an escape back to the protection of the English army. Then he made his way to the English soldiers, whose protection he was thankful to have. Then he married another women. And now he is supposedly a hero...

This kind of contradictory thinking reminds me of Origen in his "Contra Celsus", when he speaks of the Christians, who being unwilling to kill for the evil Empire (not that I would either), were yet willing to pray for them to kill! Just like the pagan priests that were allowed not to fight, (because it was their job to offer the sacrifices to the gods for the armies), so Origen tells us that the Christians faithfully prayed for the Empire's troops to kill their foes and win the victory too. Is this not more hypocrisy? I have no doubt.

Dear Brother, the Scriptures must just make sense together in context, and no verses can be taken out of context as you and others do with regard to the "pure" pacifism view. For instance, Jesus didn't literally mean what He said here in every sense:

"If any man come to me, and HATE not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." Luke 14:26

because the word "HATE" cannot be taken literally here, but rather it must be interpreted according to the context of the situation in our relation to Christ.

Or here:

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3

because we already know that infants and the mentally retarded do see the kingdom of God without being born again.

And neither does our Lord literally "mean what he says" here in every sense:

"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." Matthew 5:39


Finally, I now have peace with my understanding of what the Lord wants me to do, because I see that the "pure" pacifists are not the super-saints who inhabit the moral-high ground that I had thought they were. I have learned that they are not to be emulated as such. Thanks to your name-calling, and watching that grievous movie and being treated as a lesser brother again by those two Brothers, the "spell" has finally been broken.

Obviously I have been grieved at all of this, but I am not offended by you or others. I hope in Christ and seek to obey Him in everything, and I trust you do too.

I wish you well. Thanks for taking the time to write. In spite of what has been said by you and others, this has cleared up a great deal for me.

Let's just let this be for now.

Be well.
Doug

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ArtB Dec 25, 2011

dietolive writes:

"In reply to what you wrote, I would but mention that God said not to kill in the Old Testament, and required the people to apply this command differently according to the situation. So much for your concern. God was the God of peace in the Old Testament that our Lord Jesus read too, my Brother."

Ex 23:6-7

6 " You shall not pervert the justice due to your needy brother in his dispute. Keep far from a false charge, and do not kill the innocent or the righteous, for I will not acquit the guilty." NASU

In short, in the OT, the commandment actually is 'You shall not commit murder." Murder being killing the innocent or the righteous.

God ordered His people, descendants of the people of the Exodus to kill every man, woman, and child living in the promised land.

God also commanded that all adulterers among His people shall be stoned to death and then hung on a tree for all to see.

And, dietolove, killing the guilty is not as bad as you imagine it is, nobody actually dies, only their bodies die, they themselves, being spirits, will live. What becomes of them is in God's hands, and I trust God completely.

A note to KingJimmy,

I was shocked and upset at this version of Polycarp's arrest and death until I perceived it was a modern day distortion of the known facts.

Best wishes, God's blessings upon all, AND MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!


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Lysa Dec 25, 2011


Merry Christmas brother! Sorry I didn't get it!!

God bless,
Lisa

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KingJimmy Dec 25, 2011

Hey Doug,


But after writing to you and voicing some of my concerns from the Scriptures, now I have been called by you and others, "worldly", a "hypocrite", a "hater", and a "rebel." I have seen the total lack of respect and esteem you have for me and those of us who just don't see the Scriptures as you do.

When I read this, a red flag raised within me. Out of concern that perhaps I had gotten carried away in my response, as sometimes I am prone to do in my zeal, I went ahead and re-read my posts several times to make sure I was not speaking out of turn. I'm sorry you feel if I have launched some sort of slander campaign against you for voicing a disagreement. I assure you though, if you feel I have shown you some sort of lack of respect, this is not the case. I think you have misinterpreted my tone.


In reply to what you wrote, I would but mention that God said not to kill in the Old Testament, and required the people to apply this command differently according to the situation. So much for your concern. God was the God of peace in the Old Testament that our Lord Jesus read too, my Brother.

Indeed, God has always been the God of peace. And I am well aware of the fact that God has at times in the history of the world, ordered that men should go to war and kill other men. As Solomon said, there is a time and season for everything under heaven. A time for love and a time for hate, a time to cast stones and a time to gather, a time for war and a time for peace.

It is my argument, however, that since the coming of the Messiah and the inauguration of the kingdom of God, the season and time for war have come to an end. It is the time for men to "never again learn war." For the cosmos have been fundamentally altered with the birth, sufferings, death, and resurrection of Christ. A new creation is being formed, a new federal head has been established, and a new race of men have been created. A new history is being written, and under this dispensation our King is teaching men everywhere that they no longer have to wage war, no matter how "just" their cause.

And from this overarching narrative that I believe the Scriptures firmly teach, we are to understand the "context" of all other things we find in Scripture regarding issues of self-defense, the proper role of government, the relation of the Church to the State, and so forth.

These can be tough topics to tackle. And only in the last couple of years has my position changed. It all started with a missionary to S. America telling me that I was "spiritually blind" for holding views held by the Polycarp of this alternate ending. I scoffed at the idea. But now I feel as if he was right. I don't believe I was looking at things from a heavenly perspective. I was too earth bound in my thinking. Or, as Art Katz frequently said, "We are far too American."

Blessings.

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KingJimmy Dec 25, 2011


Merry Christmas brother! Sorry I didn't get it!!

:-)

Merry Christmas to you as well.

sermonindex Dec 25, 2011

Would you have gone into a first century church in Rome and seen the Roman eagle at the front of the church. Would you see someone with a bumper sticker on the back of their ox cart that said 'Vote Caesar'. Would you see people packing their swords into a first century house church? Would you have seen the house churches supporting military incursions against the barbarians? Would the house churches have been petitioning the Roman government for a 501c3 tax exemption?

Kind of makes one wonder? And what exactly was Constatine smoking that day?

Blaine

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DieingtoLive Dec 26, 2011

It was serve us well to pray now, O lord, Fill me w/ your precious Spirit to be able to stand in the dreadful day that as far as we know may be closer than we realize. (For their is a more dreadful day the bible speaks of and that is the day of the Lord). That we may stand as You would have us stand in your Spirit dear Lord and in your truth and not as the mantra of this free america (for now)loudly proclaiming our 2'nd man made God? given ammendment liberty, seemingly obvious of fearing the day is truly coming when we ourselves may be banned from bearing arms. And why truly we all can not to hard to imagine would that be? Personally we hope to have arms for food and pray that God would keep us faithful to w/stand the enemy armed in the Spirit of Christ the Victor and Author of eternal life. But even that causes me to fear that we weak in the flesh may cave under temptation to defend ourselves to the point of murder. God tells us not to fear what man can do to the body but He would holds the destiny of our own soul in His hands. So then if we truly love ourselves as we ought it is our soul eternal we must defend at any cost. O Christ lover of my soul prepare my heart and mind to withstand come what may in the power of your love and for your glory that another may witness you in me (us) for many past have been saved at such a witness, this is my prayer.

thankyou for the thought provoking post and fellow comments

In Christ our Lord
sister Karen

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DieingtoLive Dec 26, 2011

hahahahahahaha I love it, good one brother.

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