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Christian Group arrested while spreading Christmas cheer at Calgary City Hall

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EvangelTam Dec 26, 2011

CALGARY, Alberta, December 22, 2011

http://streetchurch.ca/index.php/20111223811/News/Media/Christian-Group-arrested-while-spreading-Christmas-cheer-at-Calgary-City-Hall.html

Members of a Christian group in Calgary were disrupted from Christmas caroling and reading the Bible in the City Hall’s atrium after police and security officials arrested a number of them, charging them with trespassing.

City officials say that the group had been warned when they held a similar event previously that they must apply for a permit to hold an organized event in City Hall’s atrium.

“They failed to apply and the police were notified after last week’s event,” said Owen Key, the city’s manager of corporate security to the Calgary Herald. “They repeated that today, again not submitting an application through the approved process, choosing to hold this service again in the atrium.”

However, Christian Pastor Artur Pawlowski told LSN that he would like to “follow all the rules and do the permits, but in the permit process there is stuff that is simply unconstitutional” adding that he and his group will not “sign a document that is breaking the law.”

Pawlowski pointed to the liability clause in the permit application process that he says requires everyone who gathers at the City Hall to have insurance. He thinks that this amounts to prohibiting the public from exercising their rights.

Describing his arrest, Pawlowski said: “I was approached by corporate security and was told that what we are doing here was illegal, that we were breaking a bylaw. I asked which bylaw? They refused to tell me which bylaw, probably because there is no such bylaw.”

On Tuesday, Pawlowski along with about 30 Christmas merry-makers entered the City Hall about noon during the lunch hour. “We brought Bibles, we brought a guitar and a bongo drum, so that with the rest of citizens, we would remind ourselves that this time of the year has been used for hundreds of years as a time to celebrate the birth of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ,” wrote Pawlowski on his blog.

The group of Christians, known as Street Church Ministries, maintain that their appearance was in response to the invitation of Mayor Naheed Nenshi, who said during the Three Things for Calgary launch on October 21st that “City Hall Atrium is Calgary’s living room.”

“I always call it that, and we need to make it open for people to be able to use in a more thoughtful way,” said the mayor at that time.

Pawlowski recounted that after preaching 15 minutes worth of the Christian message and singing their first hymn, members of the group were seized by about 10 police officers and 4 to 5 security personal and escorted out of the building.

Some members of the group, including Pawlowski, decided to bring the situation immediately to the mayor’s attention.

“We decided that the top man that runs this city should be made aware of this matter and that he should have a word with City Hall’s Corporate Security team. There seems to be a big misunderstanding in this city about what citizens rights truly are. Who best to clear this matter up than the very man that gave the invitation,” wrote Pawlowski on his blog.

As they approached the mayor’s office, security guards allegedly locked the mayor’s office door and told the Christian group that the mayor was not available. After refusing to leave the building as they waited for the mayor to become available, the group of 6 were arrested.

“One lady was handcuffed so tightly that she had tears in her eyes. She was saying to them, ‘why are you doing this so hard? There is no need for this. Please loosen them up a little bit.’ But they did not listen to her,” said Pawlowski, adding that there was “no need for such roughness.”

In the end, six members of the group were arrested and the rest were given trespassing notices. One young man who was arrested was allegedly taken into a police car, driven to the outskirts of the city, and left to find his own way home.

Pawlowski said that the police did not take him and his arrested companions to the waiting paddy wagon, but made them walk handcuffed through the LRT station to the police station.

Pawlowski, who lived under Communist rule as a child in Poland said that the actions of the police and security personal reminded him of threat tactics used by the nazis and communists to intimidate and embarrass people.

“Can you imagine being handcuffed like a criminal, taken to the LRT station with hundreds of people watching you?” he said.

The church members were each fined $287 with a note explaining that each “failed to leave land when directed.” Each was released with a summons to appear in court.

“At the end of the day,” wrote Pawlowski on his blog “if we do not push against this sick agenda of political correctness and this open silencing of people’s beliefs and convictions, as in the past generations, we will face ungodly rulers that will simply create a dictatorship out of our once free land.”

sermonindex Dec 26, 2011

Let me get this straight. This is not N. Korea or Eritrea but Canada. Does Canada's constitution guarantee freedom of religion? Are Open Doors and Voice of the Martys aware the Canada is persecutes Christians? Does the U. S. Dept. if State have Canada listed on their watch list? Oops I forgot. I am in America.

Blaine Scogin

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roadsign Dec 26, 2011

“At the end of the day,” wrote Pawlowski on his blog “if we do not push against this sick agenda of political correctness and this open silencing of people’s beliefs and convictions, as in the past generations, we will face ungodly rulers that will simply create a dictatorship out of our once free land.”

This statement confuses me. Is it our gospel mission – and purpose - to push against a perceived "sick agenda"?

EDIT PS: I wonder how persecuted Christianity would compare... Still I trust that God will use these efforts.


Diane

sermonindex Dec 26, 2011


On the other end of the country, anyone who wants to preach in the square or sing songs have to get a permit because there are many different groups both religious and secular who vie for space in the city centre and to have someone preaching during a rock concert is just not on. Now people can minister through the crowds during those events if they so desire.

If I was a city official, Christian or not, I would have called the police to get those people out of there and instruct them to get permits, it's the law.

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Yeshuasboy Dec 26, 2011

I kinda wonder if it was the Holy Spirit whom led them back to city hall; or, if it was the pastor himself, whom was guided by a different spirit - I wonder if his motivation was to prove some point, or only to share the Gospel in lowliness of mind, or "both"?
I'm kind of curious - not to judge the man; I'm just curious if it is out of a pure heart, or just "religious" zeal? I have friends in those parts.
I think what I'm more curious about is who will pay for their fines? - the individuals themselves, or the pastor that led them there?

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roadsign Dec 26, 2011

Yeshuaboy, You can learn more about this group by visiting their website found here:
http://www.marchforjesus.ca/

This group is trying to raise money needed for advertizing and for their March for Jesus parade (over $100,000). Also, it seems that their aim is to preserve religious rights by making a LOUD statement about their presence. None of these aims stirs my sympathy. I suspect they are "persecuted" because they are unsubmissive in their attitudes towards the state.


I wonder if the energy, bright colors, chanting, and enormous zeal seen in the parade clips doesn't remind some observers of Gay Pride parades.

I would like to believe we aren't seeing merely a Christian Pride parade in the public square .... but for now, I will need some convincing.

I could be wrong.

Diane

sermonindex Dec 26, 2011

"This group is trying to raise money needed for advertising and for their March for Jesus parade"

A Canadian Fred Phelps, we don't need them.

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Yeshuasboy Dec 26, 2011

Thanks Diane.
I'm wondering in myself right now as to why this topic is bringing a tear to my eye.
I recall back in the early 90s when a friend and I were strolling down Whyte Ave in Edmonton, AB - walking by this group of young adults pressed up against the wall of this building on the corner, preaching condemnation to sinners, and as I was walking by this pretty, young girl jumped out at me from among them and grabbed my jacket, and said, "stay with us!" Well, in my mind I freaked out - Her expression terrified me, and I thought girl, if you knew me, you wouldn't dare touch me, nor ask me such a thing. Anyway, I just kinda tore myself away from her in a split second. She had guts it seemed, but lacked wisdom. The group seemed militant to me. It all happened in 10 seconds or less.
My point is, I fear for people, especially young girls who are being led by such militant groups. The devil is cunning and works through many "religious"... (I'd even call them) cults, praying on young people living on our big city streets.
God help us. Blind leaders of the blind both about to fall into the ditch of blackness for all eternity. I do hope this group isn't such!

sermonindex Dec 26, 2011

I am sure these people were in violation of of city ordinances and will be held accountable. Were they practicing civil disobedience to make a point? Having grown up in the south with racial bigotry people such as Dr. Martin Luther King did practice civil disobedience and were jailed for it. They did this to call attention to the injustice against the blacks in the south and across the country.

Only God can judge the motives of what this group is doing. But can we wake up and smell the fertilizer here? There is an antichrist spirit that is manifesting it self in the highest form of government. It's desire is to remove any mention of the name of Jesus Christ. To speak the name of Jesus in any way invites retaliation.

Look when I was a kid growing up nativity scenes were popular in front of city halls and court houses..I first heard the gospel story in public school. We used to have school plays about the birth of Christ. You try doing any of that today and you are slapped with an ACLU suit and jail time. Heaven sakes you would be hard pressed to find the traditional Christ centered Christmas carols being sung in public.

I never knew how bad things were til the day before Christmas. I needed to find a Christmas card that spoke of Jesus. Now I did not want to go across town by bus to a Christian book store. I thought, as in times past, I would find some Jesus cards in our local shops. After visiting one grocery store, a drug store, and vintage shop no such cards could be found. I would jokingly ask if they had any politial incorrect Christmas cards. After some dirty looks I was told curtly no.

Saint do you see what is happening? The devil is spreading a hatred of Jesus Christ across this hemisphere. But that hatred is being masked under the guise of political correctness. This is the deception of Satan.

Again God can only judge the motives of these hearts at Calgary. But if nothing else they are making Jesus Christ known. And Satan does not like that.

Saints wake up! Persecution is here! Yes, I know you would prefer to debate your theology in this cyberspace. But the time has come to put your armor on and be soldiers of Jesus Christ.

Blaine Scogin

sermonindex Dec 26, 2011

Will someone in this forum convince me I am wrong. Please tell me I an paranoid. Please tell me I am crazy. I would much rather be told that then wake up to the reality of living under antichrist.

Yet this seems to be the reality of the times we are living in. We are living in a hostile Christian environment that hates Jesus and these are the people we must reach with the love of Christ.

Blaine Scogin

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Yeshuasboy Dec 27, 2011

I'd rather let God tell you if you're right our wrong.
To me, it all depends on the spirit in which one does something - rememmber friend, many on that great and terrible Day of Judgment will be told, "I never knew you."

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roadsign Dec 27, 2011

While we can agree about the increasing opposition to Christ's name, we would do well to remember these words:

"God's name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you." Rom. 2:24

Contemporary conservative Christianity may have done well focusing on Romans 1, but we have been reluctant to move into Romans 2 and admit the log in our own eye (I speak collectively).

Far better, I believe, to face our own sins than to rise up against the "sins" of the state with smug self righteous indignation - which merely fuels their blasphemous attacks on the name of the Lord - and also their need to protect society from these "intolerant" religious zealots.

It is better to be persecuted for doing good, rather than for putting the name of God to shame - even through our efforts to defend his name.

Diane

sermonindex Dec 27, 2011

And what of Eyob Mussie? He was an Eritrean believer who went and preached the gospel in front of a mosque in Saudie Arabia. Clearly against the law over there. He was arrested and remanded for psychiatric evaluation. Later be was thrown into prison and now he will be shipped back to Eritrea and possible death. It was clear he was violating Saudi law. Are we going to judge him? It was clear in his spirit that he had to obey a higher law. That to preach Jesus. He could have played it safe and stayed in his apartment and worshipped God privately. But he went out and preached Jesus. Clearly violating Saudi law. Was he being self righteous.

It is against the law in China to take Bibles into that land. Yet groups such as Open Doors send people into that land to carry or smuggle Bibles to help meet the tremendous need for God's wotd. These people are violating Cbineese law. Are they being self righteous or blaspheming God's name.

Again only God can judge the motive of men's hearts but even Paul said whether from false motives or true Christ is preached.

Blaine Scogin

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Yeshuasboy Dec 27, 2011

Blaine, if you're looking for an argument you won't get it from me.
No one thus far on this thread has argued against you, but you seem to be just goin off on some tangent... So be it.
Be aware that a man reaps what he sows.
If you're arguing against what I said, just be straight up and say so. If it's Diane, or somebody else, just take their quote in its context of course, and I'm quite sure you'll get a debate happening.
I didn't say nothing wrong as far as I know; but if I did, then just point it out to me, or whoever did so.

sermonindex Dec 27, 2011

Hey Blaine,

Yes your being paranoid. :-)

However, remember the words of Jesus when He said,

John 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

That was written about 2000 years ago and it's nothing new.

And as for this Anti Christ, again, it's one day at a time man and we'll see how things pan out as we go. Besides, what would you have us do?

I've been down the road with this hit the panic button stuff. Back when they invaded Iraq, my Pastor held all night prayer meetings. He said this was it, the antichrist was just around the corner and we were getting ready for what lay ahead. Well all that hype died down and no anti christ, apocalypse nor any coloured horse showed up to tell us that the end was near.

Lets keep seeking God and lets see what God does with us.

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Yeshuasboy Dec 27, 2011

I'll just add your quote Blaine from your previous post here on this thread:
"Yes I know you would prefer to debate your theology in this cyberspace."
Who does "you" refer to? Do you know any of the members here who have posted earlier in this thread? Do you know their own walk with Christ?

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roadsign Dec 27, 2011

Again only God can judge the motive of men's hearts

This is true. God knows when persecution arises from prideful ambition (even if we don't). It is also true that any group of Christians comprises a mixture of motives. There will always be some going along for the “ride” ( the blessing), while some carry the vision. It was that way when Jesus fed the 5,000, and when the crowds sang “Hosanna”. Furthermore, today we cannot know who will persevere in times of real testing. Zeal gives no indication.

but even Paul said whether from false motives or true Christ is preached.

Yes, even preaching Christ is not a mark of godliness though God may use it! But surely Christians cannot hide behind that possibility to absolve themselves from the damage they have done, indisputably, to Christ’s name.

It seems we are branching out into diverse issues that really need separate treatment: the Romans 2 indictment… motives …. judging ….. persecution for right reasons…. for wrong reasons. (Ohhh... how do we manage to complicate simple themes?? )

Here's my "clever" thought for the day: If we can avoid being confrontational with each other - we can surly avoid the very predicament that our zealous Jesus-Marchers marched themselves into.

Diane

sermonindex Dec 27, 2011

'look at me!'look at me!' i'm wearing a "march for Jesus" t-shirt!!!!........ooops, here come the police, they give me a $287 ticket, and tell me go home........oh, i'm so persecuted"!!!! 'we're just trying to raise up a hundred grand, so we can get more t-shirts, and signs, and pamplhets!!!"....'it sure is fun, y'know, being persecuted, and doing things for god, and like, pushing back that 'evil agenda' , and pushing back political correctness...its just cool"

FLESH!!!

if i had 10 shekels of silver to give him, thats 4 oz's, i send it along with a woolen 'shirt...ten shekels and a shirt, and you too, can be a 'priest' of the God Most High.

this just gives me spiritual indigestion. i might be a lowly sinner saved by Grace, but i dont play games with God.

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Smokey Dec 27, 2011

OOOOH boy what would you guys have to say about reckless hooligans like Paul, Barnabus, John, Mark, Luke,and the hundreds of others who entered into places they were told to stay out of and preached the gospel.
You are really treading on dangerous ground questioning the nature of the Spirit that motivates these witnesses. Seems to me that some posters here need to examine the spirit that moves them, as there are a couple here who continually trash talk against anyone who runs afoul of the "law" when sharing thier witness. REALLY no comparing what this group does with Phelps, really out of line. I have to wonder what efforts others here are doing to share thier faith, other than jumping on every chance to smear the efforts of others? Blessings Greg

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Yeshuasboy Dec 27, 2011

Ya, it's a pretty touchy subject Greg.
I kinda don't know what to think about it at this time.
I know Christ Jesus was a gentleman. The only people He really let have it were the Scribes and Pharisees of His time.
When it came time to pay taxes though, He sent His disciple(s) to gather the coin from the fish's mouth, (if I recall) lest they would be offended.
There is a time for everything under the sun.
I believe it's also one thing to be persecuted for the sake of righteousness, and another for the sake of stupidity.
I'm generalizing here - as far as this movement goes, I really don't know; but, I'll be honest - I wouldn't partner with them unless the Lord told me to.
As far as what's in a man's heart goes, well, out of his own mouth proceeds that which is in his own heart.
If I don't discern a sense of humility behind it, then I don't go near it, nor take it on board.
I recall that pharisee in Acts, I believe, that said something like, "if it isn't of God, it will come to nothing; however, if it is of God, be careful lest you be fighting against the Lord."

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