Christianity magazine defends Driscoll interview

Ouch!! Painful!! Yet yummy. . .

I can name one. He may not be "well known" across Britain, but he is young and a good bible teacher. Kevin Williams at http://www.puritanfellowship.com/

Frankly, what has age or being well known got to do with it. The 'church' in Britian is not in crisis because of a 'lack of young, well known bible teachers'. It is in crisis, as much of the 'church' across the world, because of hordes of unsaved people being deceived into thinking they are 'saved' masquerading as christians and because of false teachers, much like Mark Driscoll himself.

"Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets." Luke 6:26

Again Mark Driscoll demonstrates the fact he is clearly far removed from anything the scriptures say in his thinking and views.

Well, "out of the abundance of the heart the mouth does speak".

If he made the statement, regardless of the context, then stand by what you say. Don't tell a bunch of people that they are cowards and then later backtrack when the heat gets turned up on yourself.

Frankly, what has age or being well known got to do with it. The 'church' in Britian is not in crisis because of a 'lack of young, well known bible teachers'. It is in crisis, as much of the 'church' across the world, because of hordes of unsaved people being deceived into thinking they are 'saved' masquerading as christians and because of false teachers, much like Mark Driscoll himself.

"Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets." Luke 6:26

Again Mark Driscoll demonstrates the fact he is clearly far removed from anything the scriptures say in his thinking and views.

AMEN, AMEN and AMEN!

This is exactly what I was thinking when I read the story, but you said it better than I could of. The cult of personality is a curse here in the US, "well known" people are respected, just like Hollywood. Godly, "little known" men who do not promote themselves are scarce, but they are here, just like everywhere else. The Lord is preparing them like dirty coal that is turned into a diamond. They hate this worldliness, and I would believe that it's the same way in Britain. He is in charge of His church, and His bride is making herself ready!

Thanks again!

The article is down but here is the cache of it:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.christiantoday.com/article/christianity.magazine.defends.driscoll.interview/29169.htm

I just cant immagine 50 years from now the devastating results of this shallow new evangelicalism promoted from preachers and teachers who lack substantially the essense of genuine holiness in their preaching and lifestyle.

The new face of postmodernism penetrating the evangelical churches under the appearance of godliness, it's having its "hey day" today. Orthodoxy has been "hijacked" by the proponents of this "new religion" that is bringing a fresh breeze of air to the already "decaying institutional church". Now they want to export their new brand of christianity to the other parts of the world.

hi, i can't imagine anyone who names Jesus as saviour and is walking in the Spirit has time to criticize mark driscoll to the point i have seen here.if he is a brother and i do believe he is,it is forbidden by Jesus to krino him. he is a little different in that he founded a church soon after his conversion ,without training or experience.if you don't like him after listening to at least 5 hours of his sermons ,don't read his stuff or listen again.jimp

With all due respect Jimp, and I an only speak for myself, I in no way consider Mark Driscoll a brother and hence my staunch criticism of his proud, vain, sexually immoral, blasphemous words and behaviour.

Just because he claims to be a follower of Christ and manages to appear to be preaching truth here and there, does not cancel out the blaringly obvious bad fruit. There is just no way a man who can be so sexually explicit when discussing Gods Word and blasphemously reducing it to some way to shock and awe his sheeples, (who apparently love to be entertained by this kind of talk), could sincerely be promoting and serving Christ's interests. No. Mark is serving his and his only interests, primarily from what I can tell, his huge ego and also his seemingly wicked desire to constantly discuss sex and be crude.

I truly sense a spirit in Mark that seeks to pull other people into his sin, and a satisfaction he gets by doing that. It's as if he is saying, I'm going to stand up here and blasphemely misuse Gods Word, but all YOU people are are participating in this sin with me, by sitting here listening to me and enjoying it. I write so strongly about it because it sincerely grieves my spirit to think what God must think and feel about the way he misuses Gods Word and the things he says. I am also sad to think of God watching all the people who call themselves christians, but seem to not see anything wrong in a 'preacher' who links to a website with a sexually offensive title, and who wrote a book with an equally vile title, amongst the many other things Mark has offensively said. I don't think enough christians are speaking out about Mark and are instead being seduced by his mixture of good teaching mixed with rot. This is a common tactic of the enemy....appearing as an angel of light.....mixing lies in with the truth.

I know people can be sincerely deceived, especially young christians and I do pray these people will be convicted and come out from amongst uncleanliness like this.

But really, have we apostasized so far from Gods truth that we think someone that talks and grandstands in the sexually explicit, crude way Mark does, could be called a brother?

Please reconsider.

That really is all I wish to say about Mark as I do not want this to develop into a debate on him. I just say examine his fruits and as someone else said referenced; "out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks".

"O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh." Matt 12:34

God bless you, and I truly do not mean any discord towards you.

@notlongnow,

If you have such serious concerns, you should contact Mr. Driscoll yourself instead of posting them online. "Love covers a multitude of sins."

@learjet,

Context matters immensely as it explains the 'what' and 'why' of your words.

Teachers are usually only popular on a national scale because they've played some sort of political game to get there. Few, if any, have become such because they just sought to faithfully serve the people God put in their path.

Song of Songs 1:1-8:14
I believe you are referring to Mark's sermon series covering those texts?
I was always taught that those are sexually explicit, correct me if I am wrong please.

I'm personally growing bored with our Christian celebrity preacher scandal of the month thing that is going on lately. Is our Christianity in America so dull, and accomplishing so little, that we must focus on whatever silly thing that Mark Driscoll, Rob Bell, or whoever, is saying this week?

I have a better idea. Why don't we go do something that gives a God a ton of glory instead?

by FriendlyGuy
Song of Songs 1:1-8:14
I believe you are referring to Mark's sermon series covering those texts?
I was always taught that those are sexually explicit, correct me if I am wrong please.

Here is the sermon series: Religion Saves and Nine Other Misconceptions; just search the title and Mars Hill Church and the link will be provided for you.

God bless,
Lisa

PS: I listened to his sexual sin sermon and it was spot on! If you have sexual sins, listen if you dare!

@ jimp

Your posts just ooze truth and common sense in this thread. Truly a breath of fresh when so much pollution abounds. Thanks bro!

notlongnow, I agree with you.

I 'liked' Mark Driscoll the very first time I listened to him, especially because he seemed to speak the truth. But it only took a few minutes for me to sense a nonchalant, careless, youthful spirit about him, and a great lack of reverence for God. Note that I'm not in any way against youthfulness, as I am a youth myself.

There is almost a celebration of sin and pride in his sermons. By almost, I mean the it is clearly there, but it's hidden by the truth he speaks. I watched him a few times until I could not do it anymore; and I watched a good number of his sermons, including Q&A sessions. I had not read anything criticizing him, something just wasn't right about his presence...

Would Jesus Christ or the apostle Paul have spoken, dressed, carried themselves in the same way had they preached in this day and age? How about all the Saints that have gone before us? What would Charles Spurgeon, Leonard Ravenhill, David Brainard etc. have said about this man?

I have learned that on SermonIndex, not everyone will agree with me, and that's okay. I don't intend any strife or discord.

With love,
Daphne.

You bring up an important issue Daphne. The celebration of youthful trendiness in the pulpit these days. The desire to be perceived as "cool." And while I have nothing against young "cool" preachers, as I like to think of myself as something of both, what I am against is the immaturity that is being celebrated by many of these guys. Especially considering some of them are now entering into their 40's.

What the church does not need is more young cool preachers. What we need are "men who are men indeed." We need true "fathers of faith," who are broken and have rays of glory about them from having spent much time with our heavenly Father. They ought to be men who we can imitate in all things, and not "boys" whose ministry is only as strong as the laptop they use to put together slick PowerPoint presentations.

I don't really have any exposure to Driscoll. But he sounds like somebody who hasn't grown up in the faith quite yet. He sounds like he's 20. But sadly, he's 41.

I would like to call all the penitents, whom have no, and remember that they have no righteousness of their own, to please pray for Mark. Pray as the Spirit leads you to pray, remembering that the prayers of the righteous availeth much. If it wasn't for the grace of God, everyone would be damned. For the Lord takes no pleasure in the death of any wicked man, and God forbid I call Mark wicked. Yes, I will know another by their fruit, but I know more that God is able to turn the tide of anyone held captive when He so chooses, and not when I choose. For I choose to believe in a Mighty God whose arm is not to short to save any man. May the Lord work mightily I these last days, and do things that will even make His professors astonished of His grace and mercy, thus humbling the whole lot, that we may indeed worship Him in Spirit and in Truth.

Yeshuasboy,

God bless you and Jimp... for your words of life!