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Being Slain in the Spirit by Bill Niland

sermonindex Jan 24, 2012

SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT -Warning! You will receive demonic spirits....read on!


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The Bible is clear that there would come a time that many in the church
would come to believe false doctrines.

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

2ndTim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching
ears;

The baptism of the Holy Ghost is not something that can be passed on by breathing on or laying hands on someone. Jesus is still the Baptizer in the Holy Spirit. Jesus is constantly filling us with His spirit.

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What is being slain in the spirit.?

Someone will invite those who need healing or emotional and spiritual needs to come to the front of the church. They will either lay hands or blow on the individuals and they will fall backwards going into a trance like state. Some will just lie there while others may jerk, laugh, cry, roll, speak in tongues or have visions.

There is no Biblical evidence showing one being slain the spirit. The new or immature Christian may just accept this practice, simply because he does not know any better. I have even had some tell me they just pretended because they were afraid that others might think them unspiritual.

Heb 5:13 For
every one that useth milk is unskillful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helps our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself makes intercession for us with groaning which cannot be uttered.


The mature Christian will test the spirits.

1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 6 We are of God: he that knows God hears us; he that is not of God hears not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

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The Occult Connection

Ellis Stewart, research director for Bill Rudge Ministries, in an article titled "Hindu Occultism" wrote: "The most feared and revered deity in Hinduism is the goddess Kali (Durga), the wife of Shiva the destroyer. She is also known as Shakti, which means force and represents the impersonal force that occultism teaches runs the universe. The divine power-touch of the guru is called Shakti pat. This is a term used for the touch (or near
touch) of a guru's hand to the worshipper's forehead that produces supernatural effects. Shakti literally means power (so they believe) underlying the universe. The supernatural effect of shakti through the guru's touch may knock the worshipper to the floor or he may see a bright light and receive an experience of enlightenment or inner illumination, or have some other mystical or psychic experience."

Bhagwhan Shree Rajnessh, a guru who placed a special emphasis on Zen Buddhism, passed his new spiritual "wine" with a single touch to the forehead of his followers. They would fall to the floor in ecstasy, drunk
with the new "wine."

Swami Baba Muktananda would slay followers in the spirit through Shakti-pat (physical touch). "Holy" laughter, crying, shaking and animal manifestations would occur regularly at his meetings.

Followers of Yan Xin, a Chinese Qigong master, encountered "holy" laughter and other strange physical sensations.


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When we see Jesus pray for someone, did someone have to stand behind them to catch them? Do we see any of the disciples slapping someone on the forehead as they fall backwards or blowing on them when they prayed? We
don't need to be slain in the Spirit but cut by the very word of God.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shall be no priest to
me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

Paul tells us:
Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; 19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

We don't have to be slain in the spirit to receive the anointing of the HolySpirit. Every believer receives the gift of the spirit when he receives Christ as his personal Savior, salvation. Does the Bible show people line up
in a church service in a row and have the power of the Holy Spirit given to them by some anointed person with someone standing behind them to catch them? God does not need a conduit for His power.

In Rodney Browne's book, The Anointing, p.22, he states that any Believer can operate in any of the nine gifts of the Spirit. This is false statement. In 1 Corinthians 12 we learn that the Holy Spirit gives the gifts of the spirit and no one has all the gifts. The body of believers work together, each having his own gift. 1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

On the Larry King Show Benny Hinn described the anointing as " Now here we are, human beings you know, made out of dust and God will touch the body with His power. It's just like touching electricity, you know. It could
throw you. It could also kill you if there's too much of it."

The Holy Spirit is not like electricity.

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Those who had an experience with God fell on their faces in worship and fear!

Gen 17:3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying ..

Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14 And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant? 15 And the captain of the LORD's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.

Eze 1:28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.

Eze 43:1 Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east: 2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the
way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory. 3 And it was according to the appearance of the vision which I saw, even according to the vision that I saw when I came to destroy the city: and the visions were like the vision that I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell upon my face.

Mat 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom
I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.

When God met with these it was not in a corporate setting. Their falling on their faces was in awe and fear.

Rev 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and
worshipped God,

Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

This is not some hypnotic trance. They fell in worship and awe of God.

When Christ breathed on the disciples did they fall down?

John 20:22 And when
he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Those who promote "slain in the spirit" use Saul's encounter with God on the road to Damascus for Biblical support.

Act 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

Saul was not a believer and was on his way to persecute more of the Christians. He fell to the earth when he was knocked down to the ground by the Sheckinah glory and a revelation from the Lord. No one touched him or knocked him down and no one caught him. In fact all that were with him fell to the ground.

Act 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Since Paul was an unbeliever how does this provide justification for slaying in the spirit today?

Notice those that were not saved and in judgment from God fell backward, but again no one catches them.

Slain or falling backwards is a judgement of God

Joh 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. 6 As soon then as he
had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

1Sa 4:18 And it came to pass, when he made mention of the ark of God, that he fell from off the seat backward by the side of the gate, and his neck
brake, and he died: for he was an old man, and heavy. And he had judged Israel forty years.

Isa 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and
there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

Saul had just heard of his impending death from Samuel and he fell full length on the ground.

1Sa 28:20 Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no
strength in him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all the night.

Does being slayed in the spirit make one closer to God?
Are they more spiritual?
Why does someone have to catch you?
Why would God want you to pass out?
Why would this be the way to have an experience the Holy Spirit
when you already have him in you as a Christian?
Why is none of this mentioned in the Bible?

Why, because this is straight from the devil. This spirit is not of God. This is of the antichrist.

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

When one is slain in the spirit by someone touching them, is this bringing glory to God or drawing attention to the one doing the touching? I have counseled and delivered many people from these demonic spirits over the years. It is amazing how the pentecostal movements provide an wonderful atmosphere for demonic spirits to move amongst the people freely, and being freely invited in due to ignorance and false gospel messages.

People are being deceived, almost hypnotized or in a trance-like state by another touching them or blowing on them. Sometimes this is done repeatedly. Why is there a need to blow them down over and over? Wasn't once enough? Sometimes music is used to get the people in an emotional state. The music is played loudly with a beat. The words are repetitious and it places the congregation in a state of hypnosis.
(Sort of like tribal voodoo experiences where people are put in a trance and fall like dead people and spirits take over their bodies)


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My friends, stop suscribing to the false Pentecostal teachings and their teachers and be free! This quick teaching and warning is given out of love for you and for the truth of God. Do not let your pride or comfort allow you to be kept in bondage and false teachings....but submit to God in truth!

Thank you,

Bill Niland, an Ambassador for Christ Jesus

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Leeza Jan 25, 2012

Thanks for explaining and researching this. Many years ago, I went to a church with a friend, and I was in great need emotionally. It was a ladies meeting, and they prayed for me, and next thing I know I am on the floor. They told me to speak in tongues, and I couldnt. Something happened though, and now I fear that it may have been what you are saying.

sermonindex Jan 25, 2012

Thanks for posting this. Sadly some/many will still defend this based on experience and emotion instead of the on the Word, but it needs to be said none the less.

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jimp Jan 25, 2012

hi, at one time in my life i was used by God to pray for the sick and those who desired the baptism in the Holy Spirit at the great church we attended. many miracles and all were filled with instant evidence of speaking fluidly in unknown tongues and then they were getting (slain in the spirit).the result:no miracles, me filled with pride, noone filled.the pride deal stunted my growth for a while asit will yours.jimp

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JonBartlett Jan 25, 2012

"The baptism of the Holy Ghost is not something that can be passed on by breathing on or laying hands on someone"
What do you think of these passages?

Acts 8:17 -Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8:18 - Now when Simon saw that the Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles’ hands, he offered them money,

Acts 19:6 - And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying.

1 Tim 4:14- Do not neglect the spiritual gift within you, which was bestowed on you through prophetic utterance with the laying on of hands by the presbytery.

2 Tim 1:6 - For this reason I remind you to kindle afresh the gift of God which is in you through the laying on of my hands.

sermonindex Jan 25, 2012

I praise the Lord that He delivered me from a lot of Charismatic foolishness... such as being "slain in the spirit".

The more I grew in knowledge and understanding of God's Word the further away from that stuff He took me.

Funny how that works.

Krispy

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JHerndon Jan 25, 2012

I do not believe that being "slain in the spirit" is a normative experience. But to say that people who are slain in the spirit are demon possessed is a little extreme. Self control is a fruit of the Spirit so He is not going to over power you and throw you to the ground. I think this mostly comes from people having the idea that this is some awesome spiritual experience and see others do it and want people to think they are super spiritual so they do it too. I do know of one occassion a friend of mine was on a mission trip in Brazil and this man was praying for him and seemed he wasnt going to stop until he was "slain" so my friend took the fall. lol

sermonindex Jan 25, 2012

J, I agree... I know for a fact that many fall out because they think thats what is expected, or they feel pressured because others are doing it and they dont want to look less spiritual. It generally has nothing to do with being demon possessed.

If someone falls to the ground and shakes and foams at the mouth and their eyes roll back in their heads… that very well could be demon possession. I’ve seen that in the church and passed off as the Holy Spirit. Interesting that in the Bible Jesus healed people of seizures… no record of Him giving them seizures.

Krispy

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DEADn Jan 25, 2012

Slain in the Spirit is one of those things that I think pentecostals take to the extreme and the more fundamental crowd just throw it totally out the door.

This 'thing' Happened to me one time. I can assume it was 'slain in the Spirit'. What happened with me is I went up for prayer as it was Father's day. I went up for a release of the anger I had toward my dad. I stood there with my eyes closed and after a minute I fell back onto the floor. No one caught me and my eyes didn't even open up. I just laid there and gradually I began to weep. I was there for 30 minutes? I got up and I felt as if I had been through a car wash in my heart. The whole thing felt as a natural yet supernatural experience, if that makes sense? I got up and I felt released from my anger. It is really the only time I can say this 'thing' happened to me.

Now, my take on the whole thing, I don't necessarily have scripture to say it is of God or not of God. I treat it like I do the issue of Tongues. A person can have all of these experiences but if the person cannot love and forgive others than all of these experiences are nothing more than show and sounding brass.

sermonindex Jan 25, 2012

We do not see Christians in the NT being slain in the Spirit, therefore it is something that is "extra-Biblical", or "outside of" scripture. By definition it is "unBiblical" simply because it is not in the Bible and there is zero scripture to support it without wrenching and twisting something completely out of context.

I would prefer to err on the conservative side and stick with what is spelled out for us in the Bible.

Krispy

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Miccah Jan 25, 2012

I would prefer to err on the conservative side and stick with what is spelled out for us in the Bible.

Your such a fundamentalist.

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DEADn Jan 25, 2012

Slain in the Spirit is only a normal thing in pentecostal circles. They like to use OT examples to say it is good. I figure that if it doesn't produce good stuff than throw it out. I don't think it should be happening alot. Matter o fact I figure if it happens it should be happening in the prayer closet rather than within the church.

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brothagary Jan 25, 2012

how do we explain great revivlests like weasly whitfield ,and johnathan edwards ,,,having people fall down at there preaching ,,,,,,,,in weaslys preaching more then 1500 were slaid in the spirit

paris reid head tells in his sermon ten shekls and a shirt about this penomina

edwards wrote extensivly about this experance
even his own wife was over come by the spirit ,,edwards said he wished he would experance this also

none of this nem were carasmatic

what are your thoughts

may i also copy some words from jonathen edwards regading the manfestations he was under the revivle in his day

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brothagary Jan 26, 2012

bodly manfestations and holy afections
by johnathan edwards


Another foundation-error of those who do not acknowledge the divinity of this work is, not taking the Holy Scriptures as whole, and in itself a sufficient rule to judge of such things by. They who have one certain consistent rule to judge by, are like to come to some clear determination; but they who have a dozen different rules, instead of justly and clearly determining, do but perplex and darken themselves and others. They who would learn the true measure of any thing, and will have many different measures to try it by, have a task that they will not accomplish.—Those of whom I am speaking will indeed make some use of Scripture, so far as they think it serves their turn, but do not make use of it alone as a rule sufficient by itself, but make as much and a great deal more use of other things, diverse and wide from it, by which to judge of this work. For,

1. Some make philosophy, instead of the Holy Scriptures, their rule of judging of this work; particularly the philosophical notions they entertain of the nature of the soul, its faculties and affections. Some are ready to say, “There is but little sober solid religion in this work; it is little else but flash and noise. Religion now all runs out into transports and high flights of the passions and affections.” In their philosophy, the affections of the soul are something diverse from the will, and not appertaining to the noblest part of the soul. They are ranked among the meanest principles that belong to men as partaking of animal nature, and what he has in common with the brute creation, rather than any thing whereby he is conformed to angels and pure spirits. And though they acknowledge that a good use may be made of the affections in religion, yet they suppose that the substantial part of religion does not consist in them, but that they are something adventitious and accidental in Christianity.

But these gentlemen, I cannot but think, labour under great mistakes, both in their philosophy and divinity. It is true; distinction must be made in the affections or passions. There is a great deal of difference in high and raised affections, which must be distinguished by the skill of the observer. Some are much more solid than others. There are many exercises of the affections that are very flashy, and little to be depended on; and oftentimes a great deal appertains to them, or rather is the effect of them, that has its seat in animal nature, and is very much owing to the constitution and frame of the body; and that which sometimes more especially obtains the name of passion, is nothing solid or substantial. But it is false philosophy to suppose this to be the case with all exercises of affection in the soul, or with all great and high affections; and false divinity to suppose that religious affections do not appertain to the substance and essence of Christianity. On the contrary, it seems to me that the very life and soul of all true religion consists in them.

I humbly conceive that the affections of the soul are not properly distinguished from the will, as though they were two faculties. All Acts of the affections are in some sense acts of the will, and all the acts of the will are acts of the affections. All Exercises of the will are, in some degree or other, exercises of the soul’s appetition or aversion; or which is the same thing, of its love or hatred. The soul wills one thing rather than another, or chooses one thing rather than another, no otherwise than as it loves one thing more than another; but love and hatred are affections of the soul. Therefore all acts of the will are truly acts of the affections; though the exercises of the will do not obtain the name of passions, unless the will either in its aversion or opposition, be exercised in a high degree, or in a vigorous and lively manner—All will allow that true virtue or holiness has its seat chiefly in the heart, rather than in the head. It therefore follows, from what has been said already, that it consists chiefly in holy affections. The things of religion take place in men’s hearts, no further than they are affected with them. The informing of the understanding is all vain, any farther than it affects the heart, or, which is the same thing, has influence on the affections.

Those gentlemen, who make light of these raised affections in religion, will doubtless allow that true religion and holiness, as it has its seat in the heart, is capable of very high degrees, and high exercises in the soul. For instance, they will probably allow, that the holiness of the heart or will is capable of being raised to a hundred times as great a degree of strength as it is in the most eminent saint on earth, or to be exerted in a hundred times so vigorous exercises of the heart; and yet be true religion or holiness still. Now therefore I would ask them, by what name they will call these high and vigorous exercises of the will or heart? Are they not high affections? What can they consist in, but in high acts of love; strong and vigorous exercises of benevolence and complacence; high, exalting, and admiring thoughts of God and his perfections; strong desires after God, &c.?—And now, what are we come to but high and raised affections? Yea, those very affections that before they objected against, as worthy of little regard?

All will allow that there is nothing but solid religion in heaven; but there, holiness is raised to an exceeding great height, to strong, high, exalted exercises of heart. Now, what other strong and high exercises, or of holiness as it has its seat in their hearts, can we devise for them, but holy affections, high degrees of actings of love to God, rejoicing in God, admiration of God, &c.?—Therefore these things in the saints and angels in heaven are not to be despised and cashiered by the name of great heats and transports of the passions.—And it will doubtless be yet further allowed, that the more eminent the saints are on earth, the stronger their grace, and the higher its exercises are, the more they are like the saints in heaven, i. e. (by what has been just now observed,) the more they have of high or raised affections in religion.

Though there are false affections in religion, and in some respects raised high; yet undoubtedly there are also true, holy, and solid affections; and the higher these are raised, the better. And, when they are raised to an exceeding great height, they are not to be suspected merely because of their degree, but on the contrary to be esteemed. Charity, or divine love, is in Scripture represented as the sum of all the religion of the heart; but this is only a holy affection. And therefore, in proportion as this is firmly fixed in the soul, and raised to a great height, the more eminent a person is in holiness. Divine love or charity is represented as the sum of all the religion of heaven, and that wherein mainly the religion of the church in its more perfect state on earth shall consist, when knowledge, and tongues, and prophesyings shall cease; and therefore the higher this holy affection is raised in the church of God, or in a gracious soul, the more excellent and perfect is the state of the church, or a particular soul.

If we take the Scriptures for our rule, then the greater and higher our exercises of love to God, delight and complacency in him, desires and longings after him, delight in his children, love to mankind, brokenness of heart, abhorrence of sin, and self-abhorrence for it; the more we have of the peace of God which passeth all understanding, and joy in the Holy Ghost, unspeakable and full of glory; the higher our admiring thoughts of God, exulting and glorying in him; so much the higher is Christ’s religion, or that virtue which he and his apostles taught, raised in the soul.

It is a stumbling to some, that religious affections should seem to be so powerful, or that they should be so violent, (as they express it,) in some persons. They are therefore ready to doubt whether it can be the Spirit of God; or, whether this vehemence be not rather a sign of 368 the operation of an evil spirit. But why should such a doubt arise? What is represented in Scripture as more powerful in its effects than the Spirit of God? Which is therefore called “the power of the Highest,” Luke i. 35. and its saving effect in the soul is called “the power of godliness.” So we read of the “demonstration of the Spirit and of power,” 1 Cor. ii. 4. And it is said to operate in the minds of men with the “exceeding greatness of divine power,” and “according to the working of God’s mighty power,” Eph. i. 19. So we read of “the effectual working of his power, ” Eph. iii. 7“. “the power that worketh in Christians, ” Eph. iii. 20. the glorious power of God in the operations of the Spirit, Col. i. 11. In 2 Tim. i. 7. the Spirit of God is called 2 Tim. i. 7. “the Spirit of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.”—So the Spirit is represented by a mighty wind, and by fire, things most powerful in their operation. Many are guilty of not taking the Holy Scriptures as a sufficient and whole rule, whereby to judge of this work. They judge by those things which the Scripture does not give as any signs or marks whereby to judge one way or the other, viz. the effects that religious exercises and affections of mind have upon the body. Scripture-rules respect the state of the mind, moral conduct, and voluntary behaviour, and not the physical state of the body. The design of the Scripture is to teach us divinity, and not physic and anatomy. Ministers are made the watchmen of men’s souls, and not their bodies; and therefore the great rule which God has committed into their hands, is to make them divines, and not physicians.—Christ knew what instructions and rules his church would stand in need of, better than we do; and, if he had seen it needful in order to the church’s safety, he doubtless would have given to ministers rules for judging of bodily effects. He would have told them how the pulse should beat under such and such religious exercises of mind; when men should look pale, and when they should shed tears; when they should tremble, and whether or no they should ever be put into convulsions. He probably would have put some book into their hands, that should have tended to make them excellent anatomists and physicians. But he has not done it, because he did not see it to be needful.—He judged, that if ministers thoroughly did their duty as watchmen and overseers of the state and frame of men’s souls, and of their voluntary conduct, according to the rules he had given, his church would be well provided for as to its safety in these matters. And therefore those ministers of Christ, and overseers of souls, who are full of concern about the involuntary motions of the fluids and solids of men’s bodies, and who from thence are full of doubts and suspicions of the cause—when nothing appears but that the state and frame of their minds, and their voluntary behaviour, is good, and agreeable to God’s word—go out of the place that Christ has set them in, and leave their proper business, as much as if they should undertake to tell who are under the influence of the Spirit by their looks, or their gait. I cannot see which way we are in danger, or how the devil is like to get any notable advantage against us, if we do but thoroughly do our duty with respect to those two things, viz. the state of persons’ minds, and their moral conduct; seeing to it that they be maintained in an agreeableness to the rules that Christ has given us. If things are but kept right in these respects, our fears and suspicions arising from extraordinary bodily effects seem wholly groundless. The most specious thing alleged against these extraordinary effects on the body, is, That the body is impaired, and that it is hard to think that God, in the merciful influences of his Spirit on men, would their bodies, and impair their health.

But if it were in multiplied instances (which I do not suppose it is) that persons received a lasting wound to their health by extraordinary religious impressions made upon their minds, yet it is too much for us to determine that God shall never bring an outward calamity, in bestowing a vastly greater spiritual and eternal good. Jacob in doing his duty in wrestling with God for the blessing, and even at the same time that he received the blessing from God, suffered a great outward calamity from his hand. God gave him the blessing, but sent him away halting on his thigh, and he went lame all his life after. And yet this is not mentioned as if it were any diminution of the great mercy of God to him, when God blessed him, and he received his name Israel, because as a prince he had power with God, and had prevailed.

But, say some, The operations of the Spirit of God are of a benign nature; nothing is of a more kind influence on human nature than the merciful breathings of God’s own Spirit. But it has been generally supposed and allowed in the church of God, till now, that there is such a thing as being sick of love to Christ, or having the bodily strength weakened by strong and vigorous exercises of love to him. And however kind to human nature the influences of the Spirit of God are, yet nobody doubts but that divine and eternal things, as they may be discovered, would overpower the nature of man in its present weak state; and that therefore the body, in its weakness, is not fitted for the views, and pleasures, and employments of heaven. Were God to discover but a little of that which is seen by saints and angels in heaven, our frail natures would sink under it. Let us rationally consider what we profess to believe of the infinite greatness of divine wrath, divine glory, the divine infinite love and grace in Jesus Christ, and the infinite importance of eternal things; and then how reasonable it is to suppose, that if God a little withdraw the veil, to let light into the soul—and give a view of the great things of another world in their transcendent and infinite greatness—that human nature, which is as the grass, a shaking leaf, a weak withering flower, should totter under such a discovery! Such a bubble is too weak to bear a weight so vast. Alas! What is man that he should support himself under a view of the awful wrath or infinite glory and love of jehovah! No wonder therefore that it is said, Exodus xxi. 20 “No man can see me and live;” and, 1 Corinthians xv. 50. “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God.” That external glory and majesty of Christ which Daniel saw, when “there remained no strength in him, and his comeliness was turned in him into corruption,” Dan. x. 6-8. and which the apostle John saw, when he fell at his feet as dead; was but a shadow of that spiritual majesty of Christ which will be manifested in the souls of the saints in another world, and which is sometimes, in a degree, manifested to the soul in this world. And if beholding the image of this glory did so overpower human nature, is it unreasonable to suppose that a sight of the spiritual glory itself should have as powerful an effect? The prophet Habakkuk, speaking of the awful manifestations God made of his majesty and wrath, at the Red sea, and in the wilderness, and at mount Sinai, where he gave the law; and of the merciful influence and strong impression God caused it to have upon him, to the end that he might be saved from that wrath, and rest in the day of trouble; says, Hab. iii. 16. “When I heard, my belly trembled, my lips quivered at the voice, rottenness entered into my bones. I trembled in myself that I might rest in the day of trouble.”. This is an effect similar to what the discovery of the same majesty and wrath has had upon many in these days; and to the same purposes, viz. to give them rest in the day of trouble, and save them from that wrath. The psalmist also speaks of such an effect as I have often on persons under religious affections of late, Psal. cxix. 131.

God is pleased sometimes, in dealing forth spiritual blessings to his people, in some respects to exceed the capacity of the vessel in its present scantiness; so that he not only fills it, but makes their cup to run over; Psal. xxiii. 5.) and pours out a blessing, sometimes, in such manner and measure that there is not room enough to receive it. (Mal. iii. 10.) He gives them riches more than they can carry away; as he did to Jehoshaphat and his people in a time of great favour, by the word of his prophet Jahaziel in answer to earnest prayer, when the people blessed the Lord in the valley of Berachah, 2 Chron. xx. 25, 26. It has been with the disciples of Christ, for a long season, a time of great emptiness on spiritual accounts. They have gone hungry, and having been toiling in vain, during a dark night with the church of God; as it was with the disciples of old, when they had toiled all night for something to eat, and caught nothing, Luke v. 5. And John xxi. 3. But now, the morning being come, Jesus appears to his disciples, and 369 takes a compassionate notice of their wants, and says to them, Children, have ye any meat? And gives some of them such abundance of food, that they are not able to draw their net; yea, so that their vessel is overloaded, and begins to sink; as it was with the disciples of old, Luke v. 6,7. and John xxi. 6.

We cannot determine that God never shall give any person so much of a discovery of himself, not only as to weaken their bodies, but to take away their lives. It is supposed by very learned and judicious divines, that Moses’ life was taken away after this manner; and this has also been supposed to be the case with some other saints. Yea, I do not see any solid sure grounds any have to determine, that God shall never make strong impressions on the mind by his Spirit, that shall be an occasion of so impairing the frame of the body, that persons shall be deprived of the use of reason. As I said before, it is too much for us to determine that God will not bring an outward calamity in bestowing spiritual and eternal blessings; so it is too much for us to determine how great an outward calamity he will bring. If God gives a great increase of discoveries of himself, and of love to him, the benefit is infinitely greater than the calamity, thought the life should presently after be taken away; yea, though the soul should lie for years in a deep sleep, and then be taken to heaven: or, which is much the same thing, if it be deprived of the use of its faculties, and be as inactive and unserviceable, as if it lay in a deep sleep for some years, and then should pass into glory. We cannot determine how great a calamity distraction is, considered with all its consequences; and all that might have been consequent if the distraction had not happened; nor indeed whether, thus considered, it be any calamity at all, or whether it be not a mercy, by preventing some great sin, &c. It is a great fault in us to limit a sovereign all-wise God, whose judgements are a great deep, and his ways past finding out, where he has not limited himself, and in things concerning which he has not told us what his way shall be. It is remarkable, considering in what multitudes of instances, and to how great a degree, the frame of the body has been overpowered of late, that persons’ lives have, notwithstanding, been preserved. The instances of those who have been deprived of reason, have been very few, and those, perhaps all of them, persons under the peculiar disadvantage of a weak, vaporous habit of body. A merciful and careful divine hand is very manifest in it that the ship, though in so many instances it has begun to sink, yet has been upheld, and has not totally sunk. The instances of such as have been deprived of reason are so few, that certainly they are not enough to cause alarm, as though this work was like to be of baneful influence; unless we are disposed to gather up all that we can to darken it, and set it forth in frightful colours.

There is one particular kind of exercise by which many have been overpowered, that has been especially stumbling to some: and that is, their deep distress for the souls of others. I am sorry that any put us to the trouble of defending such a thing as this. It seems like mere trifling in so plain a case, to enter into a particular debate, in order to determine whether there be any thing in the greatness and importance of the case that will bear a proportion to the greatness of the concern manifested. Men may be allowed, from no higher a principle than common humanity, to be very deeply concerned, and greatly exercised in mind, at seeing others in great danger of, or being burnt up in a house on fire. And it will be allowed to be equally reasonable, if they saw them in danger of a calamity ten times greater, to be still much more concerned; and so much more still, if the calamity was still vastly greater. Why then should it be thought unreasonable, and looked on with a suspicious eye, as if it must come from some bad cause, when persons are extremely concerned at seeing others in a very great danger of suffering the fierceness and wrath of almighty God to all eternity? Besides, it will doubtless be allowed that those who have great degrees of the Spirit of God, which is a Spirit of love, may well be supposed to have vastly more love and compassion to their fellow-creatures, than those who are influenced only by common humanity. Why should it be thought strange that those who are full of the Spirit of Christ should be proportionally, in their love to souls, like to Christ? He had so strong a love and concern for them, as to be willing to drink the dregs of the cup of God’s fury; and, at the same time that he offered up his blood for souls, he offered up also, as their high priest, strong crying and tears, with an extreme agony, wherein the soul of Christ was as it were in travail for the souls of the elect; and therefore, in saving them, he is said to see of the travail of his soul. As such a spirit of love and concern for souls was the spirit of Christ, so it is that of the church. Therefore the church, in desiring and seeking that Christ might be brought forth in the souls of men, is represented, Rev. xii. as a “woman crying, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.” The spirit of those who have been in distress for the souls of others, so far as I can discern, seems not to be different from that of the apostle, who travailed for souls, and was ready to wish himself accursed from Christ, for others; and that of the psalmist, Psal. cxix. 53. “Horror hath taken hold upon me, because of the wicked that forsake thy law.” and Psal. cxix 136. “Rivers of waters run down mine eyes, because they keep not thy law.” And that of the prophet Jeremiah, Jer. iv. 19. “My bowels! My bowels! I am pained at my very heart! My heart maketh a noise in me! I cannot hold my peace! Because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war!” And so chap. ix. 1. and xiii 17. xiv. 17. and Isa. xvii. 4. We read of Mordecai, when he saw his people in danger of being destroyed with a temporal destruction, that “he rent his clothes, and put on sackcloth with ashes, and went out in the midst of the city, and cried with a loud and bitter cry.” And why then should persons be thought to be distracted, when they cannot forbear crying out, at the consideration of the misery of those who are going to eternal destruction.

III. Another thing that some make their rule to judge of this work by, instead of the Holy Scriptures, is history, or former observation. Herein they err two ways:

First, If there be any thing extraordinary in the circumstances of this work, which was not observed in former times, theirs is a rule to reject this work which God has not given them, and they limit God, where he has not limited himself. And this is especially unreasonable in this case: for whosoever has well weighed the wonderful and mysterious methods of divine wisdom in carrying on the work of redemption, from the first promise of the seed of woman to this time—may easily observe that it has all along been God’s manner to open new scenes, and to bring forth to view things new and wonderful—such as eye had not seen, nor ear heard, nor entered into the heart of man or angels—to the astonishment of heaven and earth, not only in the revelations he makes of his mind and will, but also in the works of his hands. As the old creation was carried on through six days, and appeared all complete, settled in a state of rest, on the seventh; so the new creation, which is immensely the greatest and most glorious work, is carried on in a gradual progress, from the fall of man, to the consummation of all things. And as in the progress of the old creation, there were still new things accomplished; new wonders every day in the sight of the angels, the spectators of that work—while those morning-stars sang together, new scenes were opened, till the whole was finished—so it is in the progress of the new creation. So that that promise, Isa. lxiv. 4. “For since the beginning of the world, men have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, besides thee, what he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.” Though it had a glorious fulfillment in the days of Christ and his apostles, as the words are applied, 1 Cor. ii. 9. yet it always remains to be fulfilled, in things that are yet behind, till the new creation is finished, at Christ’s delivering up the kingdom to the Father. And we live in those latter days, wherein we may be especially warranted to expect that things will be accomplished, concerning which it will be said, Who hath heard such a thing? Who hath seen such things?

Besides, those things in this work, which have been chiefly complained of as new, are not so new as has been generally imagined. Though they have been much 370 more frequently lately, in proportion to the uncommon degree, extent, and swiftness, and other extraordinary circumstances, of the work, yet they are not new in their kind; but are of the same nature as have been found, and well approved of, in the church of God before, from time to time.—We have a remarkable instance in Mr. Bolton, that noted minister of the church of England, who after being awakened by the preaching of the famous Mr. Perkins, minister of Christ in the university of Cambridge, was the subject of such terrors as threw him to the ground, and caused him to roar with anguish. The pangs of the new birth in him were such, that he lay pale and without sense, like one dead; as we have an account in the fulfillment of the Scripture, the 5th edition, p. 103, 104. We have an account in the same page of another, whose comforts under the sun-shine of God’s presence were so great, that he could not forbear crying out in a transport, and expressing in exclamations the great sense he had of forgiving mercy and his assurance of God’s love. And we have a remarkable instance, in the life of Mr. George Trosse, written by himself, (who, of a notoriously vicious profligate liver, became an eminent saint and minister of the gospel,) of terrors occasioned by awakenings of conscience, so overpowering the body, as to deprive him, for some time, of the use of reason.

Yea, such extraordinary external effects of inward impressions have not been found merely in here and there a single person, but there have been times wherein many have been thus affected, in some particular parts of the church of God; and such effects have appeared in congregations, in many at once. So it was in the year 1625, in the west of Scotland, on a time of great outpouring of the Spirit of God. It was then a frequent thing for many to be so extraordinarily seized with terror in hearing the word, by the Spirit of God convincing them of sin, that they fell down, and were carried out of the church, and they afterwards proved most solid and lively Christians; as the author of the Fulfilling of the Scripture informs us, p. 185. The same author in the preceding page, informs of many in France that were so wonderfully affected with the preaching of the gospel, in the time of those famous divines Farel and Viret, that for a time they could not follow their secular business: and, p. 186. of many in Ireland, in a time of great outpouring of the Spirit there, in the year 1628, that were so filled with divine comforts, and a sense of God, that they made but little use of either meat, drink, or sleep; and professed that they did not feel the need thereof. The same author gives a similar account of Mrs. Katharine Brettergh, of Lancashire, in England, (p. 391, 392.) After great distress, which very much affected her body, God did so break in upon her mind with light and discoveries of himself, that she was forced to burst out, crying, “O the joys, the joys, the joys that I feel in my soul! O they be wonderful, they be wonderful! The place where I now am is sweet and pleasant! How comfortable is the sweetness I feel, that delights my soul! The taste is precious; do you not feel it? Oh so sweet as it is!” And at other times, “O my sweet Saviour, shall I be one with thee, as thou art one with the Father? And dost thou so love me that am but dust, to make me partaker of glory with Christ? O how wonderful is thy love! And O that my tongue and heart were able to sound forth they praises as I ought!” At another time she burst forth thus; “Yea, Lord, I feel thy mercy, and I am assured of thy love! And so certain am I thereof, as thou art that God of truth; even so certainly do I know myself to be thine, O Lord my God; and this my soul knoweth right well!” Which last words she again doubled. To a grave minister, one Mr. Harrison, then with her, she said, “My soul hath been compassed with the terrors of death, the sorrows of hell were upon me, and a wilderness of woe was in me; but blessed, blessed, blessed be the Lord my God! He hath brought me to a place of rest, even to the sweet running waters of life. The way I now go in is a sweet and easy way, strewed with flowers; he hath brought me into a place more sweet than the Garden of Eden, O the joy, the joy, the delights and joy that I feel! O how wonderful!”

Great outcries under awakenings were more frequently heard of in former times in the country than they have been of late, as some aged persons now living do testify: particularly I think fit here to insert a testimony of my honoured father, of what he remembers formerly to have heard.—“I well remember that one Mr. Alexander Allen, a Scots gentleman of good credit, that dwelt formerly in this town, showed me a letter that came from Scotland, that gave an account of a sermon preached in the city of Edinburgh (as I remember) in the time of the sitting of the general assembly of divines in that kingdom, that so affected the people, that there was a great and loud cry made throughout the assembly. I have also been credibly informed, and how often I cannot now say, that it was a common thing, when the famous Mr. John Rogers of Dedham, in England, was preaching, for some of his hearers to cry out; and, by what I have heard, I conclude that it was usual for many that heard that very awakening and rousing preacher of God’s word, to make a great cry in the congregation.


(Signed)

sorry that the artical was so long

brothers dont get me wrong ,im sickend to the core with tears at was is happing in the churches today ,,regaring the unholy demonic slaing in the spirit

but i wont thrown the baby out with the bath water
or should i say the bride out with the buble bath

im open to a real experance decribed by john edwards

what are you thoughts

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savannah Jan 26, 2012


Jonathan Edwards would denounce both the theology and the manifestations of this present "slain in the spirit" movement,and would not give anyone any reason to believe the Holy Spirit of the One True and Living God is responsible, or that such activity is to be attributed to Him(the Spirit of Truth).

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send to you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, who proceedeth from the Father, he will testify concerning me. Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and will be in you. John 14:17 But, when he, the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all the truth: for he will not speak from himself; but whatever he shall hear, that will he speak: and he will show you things to come. John 16:13

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learjet Jan 26, 2012

I'd have to agree with the folks who have commented on this, I would err that it's fleshly rather than the jump to conclusions about demon possession based on some Hindu occultism trash.

Why would I do that? Well, because of what Jesus said:

Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! -Matthew 7:9-11

Someone comes forward for prayer (like deliverance from anger, as was already mentioned) and the Lord gives him a snake(demon)? I'm sorry that is not how my Lord would do things.

I honestly can't see the Lord on the throne saying "Hey, Jesus, do you see that guy over there at the Assembly of God in Yourtown, USA? He's there asking for deliverance from anger, send him a demon, he should have known better..."

Does that even remotely sound like something that a loving Father would do?

Does it happen where people manifest demons, oh yeah! But the sad part of this is people honestly don't have a revelation on the difference. Satan will bring people in to discredit EVERY move of God, read Acts 16:16-18

Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a female slave who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. She followed Paul and the rest of us, shouting, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.” She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.

Personally, I believe it took Paul awhile to figure out what the motivation was in this whole incident (in Brainerd's diaries he does the same thing), and then when he recognized that it was the devil trying to discredit the work he cast the demon out. In good faith I can't imagine that Paul would let some kooky demon possessed lady follow him around while at the same time having a full revelation that the woman was possessed.

Look at what the woman was shouting:

“These men are servants of the Most High God, who are telling you the way to be saved.”

That's a good thing, and truthful thing isn't it? Well no...

Sadly, the incidents that I've personally witnessed have been almost identical to this one. Both of them were woman screaming at the top of their lungs bringing disgrace to what the Lord was trying to do there, both times the ushers looked at the people and didn't recognize what was happening. I'm not judging them, I'm just telling you what I witnessed.

To be sure this is what killed the Toronto revival, no one had the wisdom to cast the spirits out of the people barking like dogs. Most revivals start out as moves of God but then after the devil brings in demon possessed folks to discredit the work it causes division and 'good bye revival'. David Brainerd is a good example of watching out for people getting overly emotional, I say OVERLY very specifically here because he watched and prayed about it according to his diary, constantly. I also say 'overly' because the Lord genuinely touches people's emotions and I would hate to discern incorrectly and be a stumbling block to a person for the rest of their lives, that would break my heart.

Whoever wrote this article couldn't care less about the fine line that has to be walked in this respect, he's more concerned about 'being right' than understanding the consequences of getting it wrong (the possibility that you are 'casting out' and rebuking a person who is genuinely being touched by God thus offending them for the rest of their life). Jesus said that 'it would be better to have a millstone around your neck and be cast into the sea than cause a person to stumble'.

When the Lord says you wold essentially be better off KILLING YOURSELF than being a stumbling block it's a VERY strong statement, in fact one of the strongest that I can think of Him making.

There are good churches that I don't go to anymore because there is one or two people that have to pray louder than the whole congregation causing me to not be able to concentrate enough to get in the Lord's presence (it's that loud). I can imagine if I'm having a hard time then I know others are, personally I think it's demonically motivated, just my opinion. The Lord isn't deaf, He hears my thoughts, I don't have to yell and scream all the time to get His attention (although there is a time for shouting!). If He hears an idle word how much more does He hear a whispered or spoken prayer offered up in prayer? He's AWESOME IN POWER!!

I've read countless times where saints like Whitfield, Wesley left a mass of people crying on the ground when they were done preaching. I'm not going to get into the falling forward and backward debate, to me it's a foolish one.

We all know the false folks and I won't go into them here.

Two-cents added :-)

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Lysa Jan 26, 2012

EverestoSama wrote:
Thanks for posting this. Sadly some/many will still defend this based on experience and emotion instead of the on the Word, but it needs to be said none the less.

Just because the Bible is silent on an issue doesn’t automatically make it demonic.


learjet wrote:
Satan will bring people in to discredit EVERY move of God

One thing to remember is that satan doesn’t waste time imitating something fake but he will mess with the real.


deadn wrote:
I figure that if it doesn't produce good stuff than throw it out.

How do you figure that it doesn’t produce “good stuff?”


deadn wrote:
Matter o fact I figure if it happens it should be happening in the prayer closet rather than within the church.

Who says it hasn’t happened in a person’s prayer closet?! I’m a witness, it has!

God bless,
Lisa

sermonindex Jan 26, 2012

Just because the Bible is silent on an issue doesn’t automatically make it demonic.

What about Paul's admonition in 1 Cor 4:6 not to exceed what is written?

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sonofthunder Jan 26, 2012

Of a truth, people are gullible because they seek "experiences" in god!
And because a minister or a pastor introduces it or brings it into the house of god - that suppossed to somehow "sanction it" and "sanctify it"
As holy. Experiencial christianity is one of the reasons - if not the main reason for seeking out this modern - day church phenomena.

The bible says to prove all things...
Hold on to it ...if its good !!
Approve things ...that are excellent.
And this ...god is not the originator of confusion.

Brothers and sisters those are some good starting points in making your own spiritual diagnosis, and in reaching your own conclusions, to determine wether it is good or bad.

And Because "slain" is primarily a manifestion and a spiritual phenomena - and not so much (doctrinal). It can get a bit tricky (no pun intended)

And notice the one common denominator of them that have had the slain encounter? the experiences are usually all "subjective" ones. Meaning - we are relying on the people who have had the experiences to determine wether it is for us or not.. Or wether we judge it to be of god or not. As i said It gets tricky.

Always remember we should compare apples with apples when we mak these determinations. We thus compare spiritual things with spiritual things.

I try to live by that spiritual motto...and principal.

Satan comes as an angel of light to decieve.

He never blows a trumpet...to alert you of his manouvers.
Or to announce he is coming. (seldom)
He is way smarter than that !!!

I am all for legitimate encounters and experiences in the lord - dont get me wrong saints. However call to remembrance how easy it is to get it horribly wrong when the samiritans in acts chapter eight thought what they were witnessing day in and day out... was the great power of god. When in effect (truth be known) it was sorcery & bewitchment. Furthermore simon was deemed by almost the entire community to be a great man-of-god. Mmm (amazing) beguilement taking place there - and all in the name and form of religion. Completing going unoticed and under the radar - until the whistle blower philip. Mmm amazing though that virtually no one cottoned on - as to what was really going on. hey??

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Lysa Jan 26, 2012


First off, I find it a tad bit ironic that the man (I'm talking about you John), who posted this crazy article has cried for MONTHS for help from all his demons to suddenly draw the line at being slain in the Spirit.

My response about being slain in the Spirit is that it isn’t being “knocked out” or losing consciousness and therefore, not knowing what’s going on around you. In John 20.22, it doesn’t directly state that the disciples did fall down after Jesus breathed on them and it doesn’t state they didn’t either. It also says in John 21.25 that of all the things that Jesus did that the world itself couldn’t contain the books should be all be written down. Knowing that, how can most of you even take the sides that you take on SI?

I see a dangerous precedence (as usual between the two camps on SI), that lumps everyone together by saying that if anyone is slain in the Spirit they are “seeking” emotional experiences. I daresay if you’ve ever shed a tear because you’ve felt the presence of the Lord, then you too sought an emotional experience.

As for 1 Cor 4.6, they didn’t even have the Bible as we have come to know it today, so what is Paul talking about here?

And I realize that most of you are context-only people and we will never see eye-to-eye on this. This is my last post on this because this is like every other topic on SI, tongues, women preaching, this disagreement could on literally forever.

God bless you all,
Lisa

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