Original post re the super bowl event etc.

Speaking as an Englishman who loves the Lord Jesus I can tell you with love and truthfulness that the original post is most accurate. I believe that our brothers in the USA are to some extent blinded by the continuity of influence which they have to edure on a daily basis. The same kind of influence is now in England, but it has not reached the same pitch of enthusiasm. Any one who has watched a big league game here in the UK, say between Manchester United and Manchester city will hear the same roar of approval for the efforts of the sportsman who are giving their all to do their chosen work. But what you won't find is idolatry openly displayed and enthusiastically embraced. The day will come, sadly, but not at this time. On the front page of one of our daily news papers Madonna was featured. Please please please brethren tell me if what you saw there was not Babylon. Wake up brethren your country is heading for a great judgment. I say it with tears and a heart for The USA.

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I have been watching this discussion and would like to add that it is not just a problem in America. There used to be a time when there were not many Indian workers in America. Now, there are many that work here. Many are IT consultants. I work with over 100 Indian consultants. There are some who are Christian and talk about Uncle Zac all the time.

When Cricket season comes around they are watching it at work on their smartphones all during the day. Once I saw them during work hours in a conference room they reserved using a projector connected to a laptop and projecting it on the wall. The room was filled with Christians and Hindus watching the final between India and Australia.

To tell you the truth, I have never seen people so excited about the World Series or Superbowl. Just wanted to illustrate that this is not exclusively an American thing. I believe it has to do with flesh all over the world.

It has taught me that we all have similar problems with the flesh and should not appear holier than others.

Julius

Sorry, I have not posted for some time and I made some mistakes in submitting.

Hello Lysa

My principle point I beleive in my post was really regarding the image which Madonna portrayed and the effect it had on the crowd. Of course there is no difference between the UK and the USA when it comes to so-called sports idolatry. As a matter of interest the reference to Madonna in the original post should have been 'I saw a picture' of Madonna on the front page of a UK news paper. What stuck me was the absolute Babylonian apparel she chose to wear. Some would say this is just a wardrobe issue; i.e. choice of dress. I think Madonna knows what effect she has, and her dress as with all her life style, including the good points reflects her soul. Which is to say who she really is. This is not a judgement just an aboservation.

As to the fervour of US and UK sporting interest, the US is ahead in some sports and the UK in others. The fervour to me means the extent to which sport really takes over ones life as an interest. It only really becomes idolatrous when it moves a sincere christian to neglect their walk. I have seen this in the UK and in the US. My apologies for not making myself clear. I love all men no matter where they come from or what their condition is.

As for judgement coming on America I can't prophecy about that. Their are enough sound prophets in America for God's purposes. I only say amen to the original post to which I responded. God Bless you for taking the time to ask me to clarify my point.

"To indentify her Jeremiah uses the mother-daughther relationship, that only fits on one specific relationship in our time. The mother is England, and she is still around to see her offspring fall"

Brother - it also fits the relationship of rome and the backslidden protestant churches in the last day. Almost all Bible commentaries prior to the last 50 years recognized rome as the great whore and many recognized her daughters too.

a-servant,

"you should try to understand what Jeremiah is talking about"

What do you think the connection is between revelation 17-18 and Jeremiah?

"We can see this today by taking the scriptures seriously and willingly choose not to rely on past half-truths. That's a requirement if you want to understand truth."

Jesus said the Holy Spirit would lead us into all truth. Are you suggesting I should yeild influence to you but not to Godly men of the past? So anyone who suggests there is a different viable meaning is not serious about understanding the truth? Forgive me if I read you wrong brother.

Also - can I ask what type of fellowship / church you are involved with. I think that plays an import part in this issue too.

I did not write my comment to offend you, only to say there is another viable meaning besides what you presented.

-Jim

In his book, "Set the trumpet to thy mouth", David Wilkerson was one of the first known & respected names to say what you are saying, a-servant. That America is Babylon.

Jim,
I believe there is reference to a physical Babylon in Revelation that is America. I also believe there is a reference to a spiritual Babylon the Great that is Rome. There are tons of evidences in Bible prophecy to support the fact that it isn't an either/or, but both.
Jeff
Time is short. Judgement is at the door

The one world religion has already been born and sits in Manhattan, NY - 'that great city'.

This is a very 'spiritual' year for those who subscribe to this inter-faith united religion.

From a Christian site -

http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/forcing-change/12/1-calendar.htm

I just read a long article about the half-time show at this last super-bowl, from some that are very adept at occultic symbology. It was much more complex than what I had imagined that she'd pull off in that small amount of time. Madonna is known for her strong occultic background and she stated that this show of hers would be very 'spiritual'. It certainly was, from all that I've read tonight. Thank GOD I didn't see it but grateful for those that explained the symbology of every aspect of that 13 minute blasphemous 'message to the world'. Her program schedule titled this show "Polytheism".
Remembering that Monotheism is the enemy of Polytheism and that this particular year is Very significant to these pagan-occultists and their utopian dream of a one-world under their order.
It would take a tractor trailer worth of documentation to go into the depths of the mystery religion of Babylon, but simply put, it's seat of power is definitely in and through the UN which sits in that great city.

That great city that temporarily rides that Beast.

Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns [the 10 kings over the 10 'bio-regions] which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

etc chpt 18

"I believe there is reference to a physical Babylon in Revelation that is America. I also believe there is a reference to a spiritual Babylon the Great that is Rome. There are tons of evidences in Bible prophecy to support the fact that it isn't an either/or, but both.
Jeff"

Jeff - I agree too. I would say that rome is babylon the great and America is babylonian though. That is why I asked a-servant how he viewed Revelation 17/18 in light of Jeremiah. Also, brother Wilkerson, he refers to organized religion in the west as being babylon in his audio message "God is training a holy remnant".

"Rev 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, "Come out of her, my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues; "

God is calling His people out of spiritual babylon - I can post dozens of scriptures that agree with this. To say that God is calling His people out of america though, as a-servant suggested, would be quite a stretch at best.

As a-servant said my focus might be half the truth, but i believe his is too.

Thanks Jeff for you wise words. There is a lot to think about and gleam from this thread.

In Christ -Jim

Also, good to note that Rome is not just spiritual, but is based on the unholy merger of church and state under constantine. Much like evangelical christianity mixing with the republican party. Rome uses the state to achive her ends and get her power.