America Under God's Judgment and How God Tried to Warn Us on 9/11

Is anyone here familiar with a study by a Messianic preacher named Jonathan Cahn of some very uncanny correspondences between Isaiah 9:10 and September 11th, 2001? I recently discovered it and found it irrefutable and important, something we should take seriously.

I already recognized that 9/11 was a warning judgment from God and that America is clearly under God's judgment in many ways, the economic crashes of recent years being a big one. Cahn has found all this reflected in Isaiah 9:10. I've seen some You Tube videos of his talks and interviews on this subject, which are easy enough to find at You Tube -- the one that says "full version" is the talk to listen to to get the whole picture, though it's a few years old and he's added more to his revelations since then -- here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXei0Zb3dxM&feature=related

There is also a series of interviews Jim Bakker did with him last month which is more up to date, though the interview wanders a lot and is a bit hard to listen to. However, they are selling a DVD that has a more recent talk he gave to a Messianic conference on it, that is probably the best thing to get. It probably won't get put on You Tube for free but maybe the DVD can be found for a decent price.

And I also finally got around to reading his book, titled "Harbinger." At first I was put off that he had written the book in novel form, with fictional characters going about revealing and discovering the meaning of 9/11 but it turns out it doesn't interfere as much as I was afraid it would and perhaps it even helped him to present the material in a paced way for easier digestion. Nevertheless, a very risky way to present a matter of scriptural truth.

I'll just sketch out the basics and if there's material for a thread here we can go from there.

Isaiah 9:10 occurs after God has brought a warning judgment against Israel in the form of a limited attack by Assyria. It's a statement of the attitude of the leaders:

"The bricks have fallen but we will rebuild with hewn stone; the sycamores have been cut down but we will plant cedars in their place."

The first correspondence between Israel and America is in the attitude. They are not recognizing God's hand in the attack, not recognizing it as God's judgment, but defiantly vowing to rebuild what has been destroyed, and replant the trees that were cut down.

This is the same attitude America had right after 9/11. Everybody was saying "God bless America" instead of recognizing that this was God's judgment and calling for repentance. The few who did recognize that were strongly criticized. A very few preachers knew it was judgment, but most were saying God wouldn't have done such a thing.

But not only America at large but America's leaders officially expressed this very attitude, and in two cases in the uncanny way of actually quoting Isaiah 9:10 in response to the attack on the WTC. Tom Daschle quoted it in his position as Senate Majority Leader the day after, as the nation's official response to the attack, thinking it was just a nice statement about rebuilding and not understanding that it is about God's judgment against the nation. Three years later John Edwards quoted the same passage with the same misunderstanding. Cahn sees this as official declaration of America's defiance of God as our response to 9/11 instead of the needed call to repentance, and therefore God is going to continue His judgment against the nation.

But there are some specifics in the verse that were uncannily literally manifested after 9/11. Some reporters described "bricks" in the wreckage, and eventually a 20 ton hewn stone quarried from the New York mountains was brought in to be the cornerstone of the proposed Freedom Tower intended to replace the WTC. The governor of New York echoed the sentiment of Isaiah 9:10 by affirming that "we will rebuild." No call to repentance there.

Another specific is that a sycamore tree in a churchyard at the corner of Ground Zero was felled by part of one of the falling towers. Apparently it protected the church from damage so it was celebrated by putting its roots on display and commissioning a sculptor to make a replica of those roots in bronze. That replica now stands beside the main part of this church, Trinity Wall Street Church (a thoroughly apostate church by the way), misunderstood as some kind of memorial to 9/11 and not recognized as a symbol of God's judgment.

Just as uncanny is that where the sycamore had stood they planted a conifer tree of the type of the cedar, also echoing the specifics of Isaiah 9:10.

How can such specific manifestations be anything but God saying Yes you do have Israel's defiant attitude -- these are symbols of it -- and Yes I will bring further judgment if you do not repent?

There's lots more uncanniness involved in this, and more details to what I've already said, but perhaps this is enough to start a thread if anyone is interested.

I've also done some blogging on this subject, here:
http://watchpraystand.blogspot.com/search/label/9%2F11

Dear people,
I didn't intend this to be a general thread about America under judgment since I've also known 9/11 was judgment since it happened, and we've been under judgment for decades now and there are many reasons for this that we all know very well.

Let me try to be clearer. You really do have to become aware of what Jonathan Cahn discovered to understand this. There's nothing carnal about what he arrived at.

God Himself revealed to him these incredibly specific correspondences between Isaiah 9:10 and the September 11th attack on America.

This is clearly the hand of God and nothing man could make up, that's what makes it so remarkable.

It is SO uncanny that it gives me renewed hope for the first time in years that it might be possible to show people that there is a God who rules in the affairs of men. It seems to me that this is a gift from God Himself in His great mercy, such an irrefutable revelation that anyone who honestly thinks about it MUST acknowledge Him -- or be in such delusion that there is no hope in that case anyway.

It's given me hope that even my unsaved loved ones might have to come to acknowledge God through this. I got my hardened sister to think about it to the extent that she had to recognize that it is uncanny, although as of yet she hasn't come to repentance herself. My very busy daughter has given my description a quick read-through, says she gets what I mean about it but she doesn't have time yet to really study it. I know she will be looking for reasons to reject it and that's fine. She's a good researcher. I think if she does take the time she will have to recognize that this is not something any human beings could have made up.

But of course the first to repent must be us, the church. It's given me hope for the first time in years that the church MIGHT rise fully to our calling from God to be a witness to this world by repenting in such numbers that God would bring a great revival. There are many pastors around the nation for instance who are guilty of not recognizing 9/11 as God's judgment, and Cahn's study could open their eyes and bring them to repentance -- which could bring the Spirit of God into the churches in great power. If a spirit of repentance came to the churches across the nation for ALL our sins (If My people will humble themselves and seek My face and turn from THEIR wicked ways...) glory could come to this nation and this earth beyond our deepest desires.

COULD. But may not. But COULD. God COULD do this. If He's willing to give us such a clear revelation of His reality as these "harbingers" he gave to Jonathan Cahn it seems He must be wanting to visit us with such mercy.

I've been praying for revival for years but not had much hope it is likely to happen. So I've prepared myself as well as I can emotionally and spiritually for judgment. Both who have posted on this thread echo the reasons why revival seems unlikely -- this nation is so far gone sometimes all we can think is that God MUST destroy it.

But maybe not yet. God COULD still come in mercy and power. At least my hope has grown since becoming aware of this study by Jonathan Cahn.

Of course we may still have the horrific judgment we've been expecting. We ARE in the end times and we know worse is coming. The nation has EARNED judgment as you are pointing out, and God doesn't ignore those things. But He MIGHT still grant us a temporary and wonderful and far-reaching reprieve that purifies and strengthens His people and brings many into His body.

This is truly a revelation from God Himself. I hope those who post to this thread will think about what he revealed and post on that rather than on our general understanding about God's judgment.

Of course there is no use having a thread if it's only me posting on it but this seems to me to be such an important topic I'd like to try to stimulate some interest in it again if I can.

From about the halfway point down in my first post I try to describe the uncanny correspondences between Isaiah 9/10 and September 11, 2001. I hoped even that little bit would get the point across and whet appetites to learn more. There's a lot more than that in the whole "Harbinger" revelation. Jonathan Cahn presents it all in great detail and gets it across much better, but just the little I've said I would think would show that these "harbingers" were indeed sent by God and not anything that men could do, and that they amount to a message to God's people in America, and that therefore we need to respond to it. Anything sent by God ought to be of prime interest to us. It's both a warning of judgment continuing to come, and an offering of mercy if the churches repent.

Just the little I've given ought to be enough to show you that something beyond the ordinary "coincidence" is going on here.

But there's much much more than that.

Won't you take the time to reread the first post and give it some serious thought?

Hi Brother Blaine,
I pretty much agree with everything you said, but what I'm hoping is that this particular revelation given by God to Rabbi/Preacher Jonathan Cahn would become known to everybody. I hope it might be recognized as such a direct and irrefutable message by God to His American church that it would motivate us to more fervent seeking of Him in fasting and prayer and repentance.

But also it's such an amazing uncanny proof of God's existence and the reality of His word that I hope it would also be recognized by UNbelievers as so uncanny that they have to acknowledge God. We don't usually have such a direct message from God and I think it's an opportunity we can't afford to miss.

>>>>Men such as the caliber of Dave Wilkerson have spoken of coming judgement on the church in America. So this brother, I assume be is such, merely follows in the line of the prophets who speak. The prophets will speak of judgement but who wants to hear that stuff. Even if Paul Washer himself spoke it the great majority of self professing believers would reject it. >The bricks have fallen down but we will rebuild with hewn (quarried) stone; The sycamores have been cut down but we will plant sturdier cedars in their place.

There doesn't seem to be any point in trying to continue this thread but I would like to comment on what you said here, Brother Blaine:

>>>>>CJ let's be clear of one thing. The United States of America is not and never was a covenant nation before God. Despite claims by Peter Marshall, Jr. this nation had no special standing before God. Despite attempts by well meaning men to consecrate this nation as unto God this country has no special place in God's economy.

I have to beg to differ here,about "America is not Israel" because we don't really know who we are. This isn't about replacement theology, either, it is about simple history, facts, and the bible bearing witness to such things.

A study of Isaiah reveals that he is speaking to God's "blind" servant, a witness for God. (Isaiah Chapter 43) Because we do not see where we came from, we think this is not about America.

America's "root stock" of early settlers here was from countries in and around Western Europe. A good majority of peoples in those countries actually are a physical part of the ten Northern tribes of ISRAEL that were cast out of the land around 700 years prior to the advent of Christ. To say that America is not Israel is just not true, and that is why we are experiencing the EXACT SAME THINGS HAPPENING AGAIN, and we know it not (Eclessiastes 1:9).

have a look at this study, backed up by history AND scripture, and pray about it. It perfectly explains the WHY of the judgment, and there is MORE TO COME.

http://gods-kingdom-ministries.org/COLDFUSION/booklet.cfm?PID=110

time to wake up and smell the coffee and know some spiritual truths instead of religious leaven.

Hello Judges 44.
This thread is supposed to be about a very specific revelation that God gave to a Messianic rabbi named Jonathan Cahn about 9/11 and His dealings with America. That revelation shows that God Himself is treating America the exact same way He treated His people Israel and He is using the connection to make a call to the American church that is amazingly uncannily direct and personal and ought to be taken seriously by God's people.

This has nothing to do with any supposed blood connection with Israel, it's a spiritual thing concerning America's origins with Christians who dedicated it to God. BUT THIS IS ABOUT JONATHAN CAHN'S REVELATION AND NOT OUR SPECULATIONS.

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Now I have to comment: I've been on two threads at SI now and on both threads I had the very frustrating experience that people who responded to my posts obviously hadn't read them through. They didn't seem to care what I actually said, didn't try to address my points except maybe one or two they lifted out of context, but just went off on their own notions, which sometimes involved accusing me of attitudes I couldn't possibly have had.

I've been on some difficult forums in the past but SI takes the prize. I don't understand this on a Christian forum. Isn't there a Proverb about hearing out your opponent or just not answering until you understand what's being said?

Why don't the moderators at least try to be sure that people stick to the topic instead of wandering off on tangents? Well, I suppose that could be a practical problem, I don't know how pressed the moderators here may be.

I began to think it was some kind of joke that nobody on this thread made the slightest effort to respond to what it's actually about -- Jonathan Cahn's revelation of God's hand in 9/11 and how that shows God directly speaking to His church in America -- in literal specific events that echo His word to ancient Israel -- that ought to convince ANYONE of His existence and involvement in His world and His heart for America. Nobody even addressed my first question about whether they'd even heard of Jonathan Cahn and his revelation.

I kept repeating the point and it kept being ignored. All I got was general thoughts about God's judgment of America that have nothing to do with Cahn's study.

I'm new here so I know it can be offensive of me to make comments on how the forum is run, but I'm not going to be staying after these experiences and it began to seem important to mention it. I didn't want to start a new thread to discuss it and maybe putting it here will even get the thread cut, but I guess I'll take that chance.

I love the mission of SI about revival and this thread ought to fit right in, as about God's OWN PERSONAL DIRECT call to us that COULD unify and motivate us, but obviously it can't if I can't even get the topic across.

I'll check back to see if anyone responds to this but at the moment it looks like the thread is dead and my participation here is over.