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Corrie Ten Boom, on Tribulation and Persecution -

sermonindex Feb 13, 2012


"The world is deathly ill. It is dying. The Great Physician has already signed the death certificate. Yet there is still a great work for Christians to do. They are to be streams of living water, channels of mercy to those who are still in the world. It is possible for them to do this because they are overcomers.
Christians are ambassadors for Christ. They are representatives from Heaven to this dying world. And because of our presence here, things will change.

My sister, Betsy, and I were in the Nazi concentration camp at Ravensbruck because we committed the crime of loving Jews. Seven hundred of us from Holland, France, Russia, Poland and Belgium were herded into a room built for two hundred. As far as I knew, Betsy and I were the only two representatives of Heaven in that room.

We may have been the Lord's only representatives in that place of hatred, yet because of our presence there, things changed. Jesus said, "In the world you shall have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." We too, are to be overcomers – bringing the light of Jesus into a world filled with darkness and hate.

Sometimes I get frightened as I read the Bible, and as I look in this world and see all of the tribulation and persecution promised by the Bible coming true. Now I can tell you, though, if you too are afraid, that I have just read the last pages. I can now come to shouting "Hallelujah! Hallelujah!" for I have found where it is written that Jesus said,

"He that overcometh shall inherit all things:
and I will be His God,
and he shall be My son."
This is the future and hope of this world. Not that the world will survive – but that we shall be overcomers in the midst of a dying world.
Betsy and I, in the concentration camp, prayed that God would heal Betsy who was so weak and sick.
"Yes, the Lord will heal me,", Betsy said with confidence.
She died the next day and I could not understand it. They laid her thin body on the concrete floor along with all the other corpses of the women who died that day.

It was hard for me to understand, to believe that God had a purpose for all that. Yet because of Betsy's death, today I am traveling all over the world telling people about Jesus.

There are some among us teaching there will be no tribulation, that the Christians will be able to escape all this. These are the false teachers that Jesus was warning us to expect in the latter days. Most of them have little knowledge of what is already going on across the world. I have been in countries where the saints are already suffering terrible persecution.

In China, the Christians were told, "Don't worry, before the tribulation comes you will be translated – raptured." Then came a terrible persecution. Millions of Christians were tortured to death. Later I heard a Bishop from China say, sadly,


"We have failed.
We should have made the people strong for persecution,
rather than telling them Jesus would come first.
Tell the people how to be strong in times of persecution,
how to stand when the tribulation comes,
– to stand and not faint."

I feel I have a divine mandate to go and tell the people of this world that it is possible to be strong in the Lord Jesus Christ. We are in training for the tribulation, but more than sixty percent of the Body of Christ across the world has already entered into the tribulation. There is no way to escape it.
We are next.
Since I have already gone through prison for Jesus' sake, and since I met the Bishop in China, now every time I read a good Bible text I think, "Hey, I can use that in the time of tribulation." Then I write it down and learn it by heart.

When I was in the concentration camp, a camp where only twenty percent of the women came out alive, we tried to cheer each other up by saying, "Nothing could be any worse than today." But we would find the next day was even worse. During this time a Bible verse that I had committed to memory gave me great hope and joy.

"If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye;
for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you;
on their part evil is spoken of,
but on your part He is glorified."
(I Peter 3:14)
I found myself saying, "Hallelujah!
Because I am suffering, Jesus is glorified!"
In America, the churches sing, "Let the congregation escape tribulation", but in China and Africa the tribulation has already arrived. This last year alone more than two hundred thousand Christians were martyred in Africa. Now things like that never get into the newspapers because they cause bad political relations. But I know. I have been there. We need to think about that when we sit down in our nice houses with our nice clothes to eat our steak dinners. Many, many members of the Body of Christ are being tortured to death at this very moment, yet we continue right on as though we are all going to escape the tribulation.

Several years ago I was in Africa in a nation where a new government had come into power. The first night I was there some of the Christians were commanded to come to the police station to register. When they arrived they were arrested and that same night they were executed. The next day the same thing happened with other Christians. The third day it was the same. All the Christians in the district were being systematically murdered.

The fourth day I was to speak in a little church. The people came, but they were filled with fear and tension. All during the service they were looking at each other, their eyes asking, "Will this one I am sitting beside be the next one killed? Will I be the next one?"

The room was hot and stuffy with insects that came through the screenless windows and swirled around the naked bulbs over the bare wooden benches. I told them a story out of my childhood.

"When I was a little girl, " I said, "I went to my father and said,
"Daddy, I am afraid that I will never be strong enough to be a martyr for Jesus Christ."
"Tell me," said Father,
"When you take a train trip to Amsterdam,
when do I give you the money for the ticket?
Three weeks before?"

"No, Daddy, you give me the money for the ticket just before we get on the train."

"That is right," my father said, "and so it is with God's strength.
Our Father in Heaven knows when you will need the strength to be a martyr for Jesus Christ.
He will supply all you need – just in time…"

My African friends were nodding and smiling.
Suddenly a spirit of joy descended upon that church and the people began singing,

"In the sweet, by and by,
we shall meet on that beautiful shore."
Later that week, half the congregation of that church was executed.
I heard later that the other half was killed some months ago.
But I must tell you something. I was so happy that the Lord used me to encourage these people, for unlike many of their leaders, I had the word of God. I had been to the Bible and discovered that Jesus said He had not only overcome the world, but to all those who remained faithful to the end, He would give a crown of life.

How can we get ready for the persecution?

*First we need to feed on the Word of God, digest it, make it a part of our being. This will mean disciplined Bible study each day as we not only memorize long passages of scripture, but put the principles to work in our lives.

Next we need to develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Not just the Jesus of yesterday, the Jesus of History, but the life-changing Jesus of today who is still alive and sitting at the right hand of God.

We must be filled with the Holy Spirit. This is no optional command of the Bible, it is absolutely necessary. Those earthly disciples could never have stood up under the persecution of the Jews and Romans had they not waited for Pentecost. Each of us needs our own personal Pentecost, the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We will never be able to stand in the tribulation without it.

In the coming persecution we must be ready to help each other and encourage each other.
But we must not wait until the tribulation comes before starting.
The fruit of the Spirit should be the dominant force of every Christian's life.

Many are fearful of the coming tribulation, they want to run. I, too, am a little bit afraid when I think that after all my eighty years, including the horrible Nazi concentration camp, that I might have to go through the tribulation also.
But then I read the Bible and I am glad.

When I am weak, then I shall be strong, the Bible says. Betsy and I were prisoners for the Lord, we were so weak, but we got power because the Holy Spirit was on us. That mighty inner strengthening of the Holy Spirit helped us through. No, you will not be strong in yourself when the tribulation comes. Rather, you will be strong in the power of Him who will not forsake you. For seventy-six years I have known the Lord Jesus and not once has He ever left me, or let me down.

"Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him", (Job 13:15)
for I know that to all who overcome,
He shall give the crown of life.
Hallelujah!"

- Corrie Ten Boom - 1974

sermonindex Feb 13, 2012


A short but beautiful interview -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6Tiaj0o4X8&feature=related

sermonindex Feb 13, 2012

In China, the Christians were told, "Don't worry, before the tribulation comes you will be translated – raptured." Then came a terrible persecution. Millions of Christians were tortured to death. Later I heard a Bishop from China say, sadly,


"We have failed.
We should have made the people strong for persecution,
rather than telling them Jesus would come first.
Tell the people how to be strong in times of persecution,
how to stand when the tribulation comes,
– to stand and not faint."

this is a clear warning to us in the west. May we be found preparing the church.

J
Jeremy221 Feb 13, 2012

I think this message by Sister Corrie contains the same material:

Tribulation by Corrie Ten Boom

http://media.sermonindex.net/21/SID21925.mp3

EDIT: [It starts at about 17:25]

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pilgrim777 Feb 13, 2012

Since 1977 I have seen many dates set and many theories about what was going to happen next. All of the date setters have now joined this list.

http://www.bible.ca/pre-date-setters.htm

(I don't know whose website this is, I simply found this list). I am sure there are more websites with lists.

A few things I have noticed through the years is that Futurists/Rapturists discourage people by their fear mongering and doomsday predictions from:

Getting better jobs in order to take care of their family better and have something left over to share with others.

Getting a better education (what's the use, the world is ending?).

Causing people to not save any money (Pro 6:6 Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways, and be wise)

Or keep their dwelling in good shape so their family does not get sick.

I have seen more men "check out" of life in the last 15 years than I care to mention. I don't know how much of their lack of responsibility is due to fear, laziness, pornography, discouragement or what, but one thing is for sure, they have abdicated their responsibilities to their family. I work everyday, so I have a hard time relating to a man that has a family and will not work. I have a difficult time with people that live off of others when they are physically fit.

Luke 19:13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, OCCUPY TILL I COME.

Did you see that? The Lord said, OCCUPY TILL I COME!

Are you occupying or are you checking out? Are you abandoning your wife and kids. If you have, you have already abandoned the Lord. Are you letting fear dictate whether you will try to improve your skills so you can get a better job, or letting doomsday prophets discourage you from getting a better education? Are you afraid to get married or have kids? Have you become a blameshifter and blaming everyone else for your troubles?

Folks!! This is not the way God wants us to live.

I know life is hard. It is real hard, but God does not want us to give up on life because of something you perceive will happen in the future. It has not happened now for me for 35 years and I am glad I did not give up. There are enough cares for today so why worry about tomorrow?

Men, please stop letting the future paralyze you in the present. Get back with the Lord and take care of those that love you. They are waiting for you. They are rooting for you. They love you.

Pilgrim

sermonindex Feb 14, 2012

You're judging quite wrongly, Pilgrim. Very presumptuously.


If these messages by Corrie Ten Boom trouble you - I can assure you that the problem is not with her messages.


Corrie, "occupied" from Holland - Through the concentration camps - And until she was quite Old -

And those of us that have followed her books, etc., got that same ZEAL from her life's testimony & her exhortations -


With a Huge "Amen" to that!

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sermonindex Feb 14, 2012

Sister Pilgrim is not judging the quality or content of the Corriie Ten Boon messages. Through emails exchanged with him I know his hesart is for the persecuted. Our brother is speaking about those who use the excuse of a pretrib rapture to check out of life. Not a new issue. Paul.had to correct the Thessalonian church in this error.

I am aware that persecution is on the horizon. I know my retirement home is a death camp. But I still have laundry to do, a check book to balance, meetings to coordinate, a diabetic cat to care for, a friend to watch over, and a 4 night con call to oversee to pray for the persecuted.

Though we all will go home to be with Jesus. We still have assignments to to til he comes. This is what Pilgrim was addressing.

Blaine Scogin

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Lysa Feb 14, 2012


wow, I read the list supplied by Pilgrim... there are a LOT of familiar names on it! Sadly, these people are STILL respected individuals in the pre-trib movement (but let somebody in another movement be wrong and they are "false prophets" never to be forgiven! Amazing.)

Thank God He is still in control and still on His throne!!

God bless,
Lisa

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pilgrim777 Feb 14, 2012

Thanks Martyr, you correctly interpreted what I was saying.

I re-read my post and I never mentioned Corrie. Corrie has been a huge inspiration in my life. She is a woman that dwelt in present reality and not future conjecture. I am glad she exposed the Rapture doctrine in China as a false security, but it was too late as Mao Tse Tung persecuted the Church and their assurance of Rapture before persecution came, vaporized.

We are not children of wrath and therefore will not suffer the wrath of God, but persecution and tribulation are promised. He that endures to the end, shall be saved.

And tribulation is not always a concentration camp. It can be sickness, losing loved ones, rejection or any number of other things.

The question is, will we remain faithful if we never receive the persecution we "romanticize" about?

Indeed, I have seen and heard many through the years romanticize about the coming persecutions and how they would do "exploits for God", yet in everyday life their faith is weak and shallow and they are a poor witness for the Lord. They do not really know what they are getting "excited and " about.

Jer 12:5 If thou hast run with the footmen, and they have wearied thee, then how canst thou contend with horses? and if in the land of peace, wherein thou trustedst, they wearied thee, then how wilt thou do in the swelling of Jordan?

Pilgrim

sermonindex Feb 14, 2012

Indeed brother. Did not mean to minimize the daily trials we experience. I know Brother Brian Ling we are praying for as his son undergoes his second bout with cancer. Just recently I had to contend with a medical issue. The same God who does sustain the persecuted will also sustain us in our daily trials. If we cannot trust him in the daily trials, how will we be able to trust him when the real hard trials such ad persecution does come.

Blaine

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pilgrim777 Feb 14, 2012

Amen, brother Blaine.

I am certainly not correcting you and appreciate your heart (and posts).

Pilgrim

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rbanks Feb 14, 2012

Hi everyone,
With all respect for my brothers and sisters on this thread I need to say that I still believe that there will be a rapture of the church before the 3 ½ years of “the great tribulation”. I also have no problem with the main message of this thread.

I have also decided to post from a study of a great china preacher man who many know was also persecuted a lot in his life time to give you something else to consider.


2. Revelation 7:14a
"And I said to him, My lord, you know. And he said to me, These are those who come out of the great tribulation."
The "great tribulation" in 7:14 is not the three and a half years of great tribulation. The reasons are as follows:
(1) The great tribulation, at the earliest, should begin with the trumpets of woes, and the first woe is declared at the fifth trumpet (8:13). Strictly speaking, the great tribulation begins with the seventh trumpet (11:15-18), but Revelation 7:9 implies a first rapture before the seventh seal. These have already come before the throne and have not passed through the tribulation of the seventh trumpet.
(2) The great tribulation cannot begin before Satan is cast down to the earth. Verses 9 through 17 are before the opening of the seventh seal, while Satan's being cast down is after the sounding of the sixth trumpet (11:14-15). Before the context of the forty-two months (13:5), the man-child has already been raptured to the throne (12:5). Although I dare not say the man-child includes all those in mentioned 7:9, I do say that it must be a majority of these people.
(3) The conclusion of the great tribulation is at the pouring out of the seventh bowl, which immediately ushers in the kingdom. At this time we do not see the heavenly temple, only the earthly temple as spoken of in Ezekiel (the temple on earth in the kingdom age). During the great tribulation there is no time for God's people to serve Him, but Revelation 7:15 clearly says that they serve God day and night.
(4) In the great tribulation, there cannot be so many people receiving salvation, yet the "great multitude" in 7:9 has come out of the great tribulation according to 7:14. This shows the great tribulation in 7:14 must be different from the great tribulation that comes after the fifth trumpet.
(5) Revelation 11:1 makes mention of those worshipping in the heavenly temple, yet except for those in Revelation 7:9, there are none who worship God in heaven. At this time, the great tribulation spoken of in Revelation has not yet begun, yet these have passed through the great tribulation already. There is no temple in the new heaven and new earth (21:22), for God and the Lamb are the temple to the new city. (The center of the new city is God and the Lamb. In Revelation 3:12, following the words "temple of My God" is the expression "he shall by no means go out anymore." This no doubt refers to the time of the new heaven and the new earth when God and the Lamb will be the temple.)
(6) The Bible clearly says that there are Christians who need not pass through the tribulation (Rev. 3:10; Luke 21:36).
(7) If the people spoken of in Revelation 7:9 are those who pass through the great tribulation, then they must be those who die when the nations trample the holy temple. But according to Revelation 11:2, the church should not be included there. How then could the people in 7:9 be those who come out of the three and a half years of great tribulation?
(8) The three and a half years of great tribulation are especially related to the Jews. Daniel 12:1 says, "And there will be a time of distress, such as never occurred since there came to be a nation until that time; and at that time your people, every one found written in the book, will be delivered." This passage together with Matthew 24:16-18 describes the condition of the Jews in particular. God's main goal in having the great tribulation is to deal with the Jews. In Jeremiah 30:7 the time of Jacob's trouble clearly refers to the Jews. The tribulation spoken of in Revelation in several passages points to the church (e.g., 1:9; 2:9-10, 13). John 16:33 also says that affliction is the portion of the church in the world. The time is long, and the suffering is hard. That is why it is called "great." But it is not the three and a half years of the "great tribulation." The "great tribulation" in Revelation 2:22 is different from that in 7:14 in the original text. It is also different from the great tribulation of the three and a half years elsewhere mentioned in Revelation. (In Acts 14:22 the phrase "through many tribulations we must enter into the kingdom of God" refers to the experiences of the ones who are entering into the kingdom of God.)
3. Revelation 7:14b
"And they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
The word "robes" here is plural. Robes, plural, signify righteousnesses. But here the righteousness is the righteousness of the saints themselves; it does not refer to the Lord Jesus Christ as our righteousness. Robe, singular, refers to the righteousness (Isa. 61:10) which is Christ Himself (Jer. 23:6). Christ is our righteousness (1 Cor. 1:30). We put Him on to come before God. This righteousness does not need to be washed in the blood.
We have two robes. One robe, through which we come before God, was put on at salvation. The other robe is the righteousness of our own conduct; it is our victory through which we come before Christ. In Revelation 3:18 the white garment (the second one) requires the paying of a price, but the redemption typified in the former case does not need to be purchased. No Christian will be condemned by God to perdition (John 5:24), but neither will there be a single Christian who will not be judged before the judgment seat of Christ concerning his conduct (2 Cor. 5:10). Their robes were cleansed not because of the great tribulation, but because of the blood of the Lamb. They applied the blood of the Lamb to their robes. This shows that they were contaminated on earth; nevertheless, they practiced 1 John 1:9 all the time so that they were cleansed.
-Study of Revelations by Watchman Nee

sermonindex Feb 14, 2012

Pilgrim, I don't see what your initial post or those that followed after, had anything whatsoever to do with Corrie's messages and as far as I'm concerned - you and Blaine destroyed a thread that was going to be centered on Corrie Ten Boom and what she stood for.
I had two more YouTube's by her, ready to put up, about GOD's Love and another on Forgiveness of Enemies to post next - but somehow - I feel to not participate any longer where there are thread killers that take someone like Corrie Ten Boom and go so off-track and accuse any here that posted to this thread as not doing anything for the Kingdom because she mentioned tribulation and persecution.
This is shear insanity and I'm very disturbed that neither of you see that is exactly what you both have brought to this precious lady's messages.


There's no sense in posting anymore messages by CORRIE TEN BOOM here, but I will say - She did so very-very much more for the Kingdom of GOD than those that destroyed this thread do and the main thing - was her message of her 'character' - the two things missing on this thread now.

Have a nice life, you two 'men'.

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pilgrim777 Feb 14, 2012

My apologies to you Jesus-is-God for the "rabbit trails."

Your words are sharp and strong.

It often happens in conversation that people bring up other ideas as they are stimulated by the original conversation to think of other things.

Please forgive us and take your thread back on topic.

Much peace to you,
Pilgrim

sermonindex Feb 14, 2012

Sister nobody has tried to hijack or kill your thread. We all have been impacted by the marvelous ministry of Corrie. I simply felt you misunderstood Pilgrims posted intentions. My apologies. This will be my last post on your thread. Did not mean to cause you distress. Please do bring your thread back on track for the edification of the body.

Peace and blessings,

Blaine

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