Need insight

I would like to share something and invite comments, insights for my edification.

I have been involved with Kidz Klubs this past year, teaching 10-12 YO girls. We have a max of 10 girls. They come from the worse part of the area - an area one can rightly consider a hell hole: all manner of sin runs rampant with no shame. Imagine it and it likely is there. Now you know the kind of children we are working to help.

Tuesday evening I experienced a crises in the sense we are at a turning point and are questioning where do we go from here?

I had the class' attention, I was connecting on the spirit level when Disha interrupted creating a commotion. She persisted and eventually did calm down but the 'spell' was broken.

Disha cannot walk straight long: she is either rolling on the floor, flailing her arms, jumping, etc. When I come close she backs off like she is scared, waving her arms not wanting me to touch her.

I decided I am going to hug that girl so to accomplish it I had to hug all the girls and I did. She eventually allowed me to do so and now I can touch her with hugs. However, later on Tuesday evening I felt in my spirit I need to stop that.

The girls with the staff went outside, wanting to play. One of the staff ladies brought a long rope so they could jump rope. They were twirling it but no one wanted to jump, so I decided that "OK", I used to be good at it - although that was 55 years ago- so I will give it a try. I made one perfect jump and then I found myself lying flat on my back on the ground. There was no reason for it to happen - NONE - no physical obstacles to trip, nothing. I was not hurt then nor was I sore later.

After this, the girls were doing cart wheels, etc out on the gravel. I watched them - they were good and I find it interesting because I could never do anything like that. Disha was on the gravel engaging in some vulgar movements. She had done it earlier while in the building...

During snack time we got to discussing music. I asked them if the knew the song "Jesus Loves Me". They said they didn't so I sang "Jesus loves me this I know" - that is all. The reaction was a combination of mocking, anger, resentment.

During the day as I was preparing for this class I had prayed the LORD would only send us the girls he is working with this evening and we had only four..

I am quite certain I know what is going on, but what do you think? Anyone have a discerning spirit that can give some enlightenment? or encouragement?

Greetings

I don't have any clear insights as to share yet but I will pray for you. At first reading what you shared I did feel like perhaps you are facing some clear attacks from the enemy when trying to share with these girls.

I also believe you must have a great deal of Christ love for these girls, your willingness to serve is a testimony to HIS working in your life.

Sorry not to be of more help to you with more to say but I will pray for sure.

God Bless
mj

Thank-you Brotom for taking your time to share what you perceive. In fact, you are saying what I expected you to say!

Yes, I believe God sent these girls to us in response to our prayers. While two of these girls' needs are obvious, the other two are more quiet and not as aggressive, but still needy.

Our church leadership has been made aware of what has happened and now we await further word from them. Simply put: the situation is so serious it will require more then simple teaching and praying which is what we have been doing all along. It is going to mean a confrontation with the devil.

I have pondered the correctness of doing spiritual battles with these girls apart from their parents' approval. My conclusion is that if any of these girls were in the process of getting hurt, I will work to save them and not be concerned what a parent may say, I am going to pull them out of the fire if it is in my ability to do so - waiting until you get their approval will mean they may be dead by then.

Scripture also informs us of sons and daughters dreaming dreams, etc....in other words, God will use young children to minister his word to people. I know it is within the realm of possibility of these young children to experience a wonderful working of the Spirit and bring revival to this community.

I find it encouraging that whenever I shared this information with others, they are all saying the same thing. Thank-you and God bless. When the Holy Spirit reminds you of this situation, just do as he bids you at the moment.

God bless.

Dear Ginnyrose,

As you suggested and as the Holy Spirit moves me I will pray for you, your church leadership and for those girls.

Please keep us up to date so we can adjust our prayers as needed.

ws

Ginnyrose,

Your post has reminded me of some missionaries that went into a heathen land of people who were mostly animists. The missionaries learned the local language and built bridges, so to speak, by acts of kindness to the people.

When they began to preach the gospel to the people they observed several people, including the local witch doctor, who manifested demonic behavior in the meetings. Having never dealt with demon possession before they were unsure as to what to do. They considered contacting the mission board to request that someone be sent who had experience in these matters but after much prayer they decided to continue to simply let the Word of God do the work of God in the hearts of these people. In the following months many repented and believed and were delivered including the witch doctor.

I am very encouraged to hear of the work that you are doing with these girls. You have been building bridges through the hugs and the rope jumping and the songs. The gospel message will pass over those bridges into the hearts of these girls. Just continue to make yourself available and expect the Lord to work in and through you to bring light into this darkness.

In Christ,

Ron

This work with the girls is at best difficult. The teaching is easy but the vehicle used is having problems..

Yesterday our pastor made a public announcement alluding to this reality, saying that there will be a hotline message sent prior to our meetings asking people to be in prayer for these clubs.

As I mull this situation, believing that some action will be called for I find myself in a position I do NOT want to be and that is to be on the front-lines doing spiritual battle with this girl. I do not want to be there. The men are elsewhere and not directly involved like us women so all they have to go by is what we say - they have not witnessed it and not all the staff has witnessed what I saw.

In any case, I am a tad bit frightened because I know the Enemy and he ain't no friend of ours, he is a Destroyer, yet I know God is Greater, still. I feel God working in me to change my mind about a few things but it is scary - just wish others would see everything I have been seeing. But then I know they are aware of some of it. In the meantime, I am gratified that I was not hurt when I fell. Perhaps this was a sign from God of his protection for me? I can believe this - I have fallen backwards before and got hurt. Another incident - on the Thursday after I fell, I experienced severe pain in right arm, like carpel tunnel syndrome. It HURT, BAD! Now why on earth do I have this pain - my arm was fine when I went to bed and when I got up, but now it hurt something awful. I sensed the devil was behind this affliction and so I prayed about it and the LORD removed this pain.

In spite of these wonderful manifestation of God's power, I am still weak. Very weak and wish I could run - far away...but I can't because in my heart I really do not want to.

God bless and pray for this situation as the Holy Spirit leads you to. Our next meeting is scheduled to be on March 6, DV (divine volition or God willing).

Dear GinnyRose,

Googled Kidz Place. I would not feel comfortable being associated with them. Too big an operation to know those who are involved no matter how fancy their web page and promotional material are they are still outside your local Church. It appears to be non-denominational.

I will email you. I am afraid for you and am praying.

WS

GinnyRose,

Sadly, when my hard drive failed a while back, it took your address among many other things.

To make what I was going to say short:

I have found nothing in scripture about women casting out demons. Be very careful there.

The men in authority at your Church are doing you a great disservice by not monitoring the classes to see what you are facing.

I am surprised your Husband has not asked you to stop going there, perhaps he does not realize just what is happening.

Just a couple of thoughts on that organization:

Look at what has happened to the Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts. Total infiltration by the enemy to the point I would not even attend one of the meetings, much less send a child.

There is no doubt in my mind but that the demon possessed girl was involved in your fall. God let you see how at risk you are, pay attention. It is not a game and unless you have help, do not go back there.

I am praying for you and your family as I am moved to do so.

Your friend,
j

Janice,

Thank-you so much for your concern. I know it is genuine...

I need to clarify something. Our Kidz Klub does not operate under any other organization then our church, of which we are members. There is no other hierarchy then what exists in our local brotherhood. We have clubs for the boys and girls but they are separate. They are not suppose to even see each other for obvious reasons. The males go one way and we go another.

Yes, I am aware of the scriptures being silent about females doing battle with demons. It does strike a fear in me on the one hand but on the other scripture also teaches us that greater is he that is in you then he that is in the world. As time goes on, I am seeing clearer where this may be headed - and you can rest assured it is not something where my logic is taking me, either. I did pray that God would only send us the girls (that night) that he is working with. And then we had this terrible night. These girls need help and I want to be there if there is anything I can do for them. The reality is that I am a better teacher then a mentor - a mentor requires so much patience, endurance which does not describe me at all.

What I am not certain of is whether the leadership is aware of the vulgar acts done by the girl. I could not tell them because I think it would embarrass us both. When I tell the ladies, they are dumbfounded. In sharing with males I do speak in generalities. The response is usually that "well, the girl was likely a victim of abuse, she watches bad shows, da, da, da." In any case, if the Holy Spirit leads you to share something or pray for this, please do so.

And yes, I do want some males available at the next meeting should a need arise for them.

Janice, I did not get an email from you - did you send me one? My email does not always deliver mail sent to me - dont know why.

God bless and thanks to those who were so kind to express their insight. They will be given careful consideration - I consider this a very serious issue.

Why no email
in my post "Sadly, when my hard drive failed a while back, it took your address among many other things."

You said: "What I am not certain of is whether the leadership is aware of the vulgar acts done by the girl. I could not tell them because I think it would embarrass us both. When I tell the ladies, they are dumbfounded. In sharing with males I do speak in generalities. The response is usually that "well, the girl was likely a victim of abuse, she watches bad shows, da, da, da." In any case, if the Holy Spirit leads you to share something or pray for this, please do so."

In a case like this your wishing to save embarrassment is misapplied. If those men are unable to face an ugly fact as this, how will they be able to confront a demon? You are obviously on your own. So write out a report, detailing the behaviour, if you can not bring yourself to speak up. It is not shameful to speak the truth, especially when it is necessary for them to know. You had to witness it, the other girls had to witness it. They are adults, they started this, if they can't bring themselves to face the reality those children live with, they should close the program. You can not minister to them if you can not even bring yourself to discuss what they do within your building in your presence. Consider this, this is what goes on in your presence, what happens when you back is turned? You might want to get a camera and film a class, if they don't want to attend.)

If you ignore acts like that it will only embolden the girl/demon to do stronger to get a raise out of you.

Please email me if you wish, I will pray for you,
j

Janice,

You do have a point about sharing the details with the leadership and writing it out may be the best approach.

You have strong opinions on this issue and I appreciate your sharing these. That is why I chose to share this on SI - I expected them to be forthcoming.

I have decided to no longer take any disturbance from her. I will stop, get another person and we will deal with her privately - and let another staff member finish my presentation. Since this is becoming settled in my mind, I could guess the devil will either not allow her to come anymore, or will give us a cruel fight. These are my expectations, but will see. In the meantime, I am open to whatever the LORD would have us do - my logic is totally inadequate to handle this because we are dealing with issues that belong in the spirit realm.

God bless you for commenting, Janice.

Sandra

Dear Sandra,

Your post is very positive. I believe things always work out for the Glory of God as long as we believe.

Romans 8:28

And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.

Knowing you will be able to have others with you gives me comfort. I will pray for you and the girls as the Lord moves me.

Very kindly,
j

Sandra,

I recommend you and the leadership at your Church visit http://www.gregoryreid.com/

This is a site by a man who has done much confrontation with demons. I have corresponded with him several times and feel he is genuine in his faith and abilities. Read what he has on his site and email him. He may be able to assist you, if only through email /phone.

Don't know why I didn't provide this link earlier.

Keep us up to date,
Kind regards,
J

The response is usually that "well, the girl was likely a victim of abuse, she watches bad shows, da, da, da." In any case, if the Holy Spirit leads you to share something or pray for this, please do so.

Hi Sandra,

Unfortunately this is the sad state of the Westernized church. People just don't believe in demonic possession, even though everywhere Jesus went (EVERYWHERE) He cast out devils. Is it a worse problem now or has it gotten better? Personally, I believe it's worse now.

The VERY sad thing about this is since the only prescription for the problem is a true believer with discernment and they are few and far between, but the Lord in His great mercy has put you in a position (a true believer, with discernment) to address the problem.

There is nothing in the whole Bible that mentions that a woman doesn't have the same authority in Christ that a man does. He doesn't say the men believers will have a authority to cast out devils and the females not so much. There is great power in the Name of Jesus, James tells us that demons TREMBLE at the mere mention of it!

Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. -James 2:19

When you get a revelation on the authority the we have in Christ you will be absolutely amazed. It basically goes like this, YOU SPEAK, they listen, end of story. I searched to no avail to find a video of a woman that was being robbed and she flat out told the devil 'I bind you in the name of Jesus, now leave' the guy puts the gun down and leaves, it's amazing.

He is also mindful of our weaknesses and though it gets freaky as times, you will prevail!

The old hymn reigns true:

"There is power, power, wonder working power, in the Blood of the Lamb!!"

Will be praying for you sister! FEAR NOT!

Appreciate all you saints who cared enough to share.

I am reading and listening as well as praying.

BTW, learjet, I find your evaluation of the modern church to be spot on..

God bless...

Sandra

Last night my group of girls met - we meet twice a month, every other week.

All I can say is "Praise the LORD!" We had a very good night. A lot of people in our brotherhood and beyond were praying. The girls were calm during class and afterwards. They were subdued and they listened carefully.

The primarily point of our lesson dealt with the issue of being good, our inability to do it in our own strength, how we need the infilling of the Holy Spirit that changes us...

There were no disruptions at all. None.

When I went there I did not know what to expect. I was getting mentally and spiritually prepared to do battle, if needs be. I had become fully aware that we are in a literal war with demonic forces. And how are we going to fare in this war is the issue we are going to have to face head on.

As I consider my future involvement with them, I want to draw back and let others do it. Then on the other hand there is a drawing that tells me I should not opt out. It is wearisome...it takes its toll on my natural strength. Still, when I am there I do feel supernatural strength. Since this is the case, why do I question it begs to be answered and the answer is not flattering.

God bless all of you who prayed. God did answer your and others prayers. The battle is not over, it has just begun.

God bless.

Dear ginnyrose,

Thank you for the update. Glad the session was uneventful.

ws

Tonight will be the last night for this season's classes with the Kidz Klubs.

I am asking that if the Holy Spirit reminds you to pray for this event, that you would intercede on our behalf.

Two weeks ago the class was not as sudued as the previous one, but they were reverent for the most past and Disha did not act out...But I was taken back when one of the girls said she does not understand what I am saying. I suspect she is lying because when I visit with them informally, there is no problem of them understanding me at all. They speak Ebonics a lot and that I do not understand except for an occasional word. My observation in the past has been they could understand us well but we cannot understand them when they choose to speak ebonics. (Actually, I had thought local blacks no longer spoke it but I was proven wrong, very wrong.)

Anyhow - I also suspect that if she says she does not understand me, it is because the devil has stopped her ears. As I teach, I could tell if the message is hitting the mark - being understood. For the most part it has been, hence the disruption of some, especially Disha.

Personally, I am very weary in body, mind and spirit with this teaching responsibility. I am not sure but what the devil is working hard to distract me from it as well. In all my years of teaching I have never felt so much pressure in so many ways as I have since September when these classes began.

I mentioned body - my right shoulder hurts awfully bad and this began for no apparent reason a few weeks ago; it also does not respond to pain meds. So, am I discouraged? when I think about how I feel, when I see the effects of sin on the life of these girls, yes, I am discouraged. BUT we are called to be faithful and it is God who we are serving not me or my comfort.

All for now...must get to my studying...

God bless.

ginnyrose