Benjamin Netanyahu's tough talk in a speech to thousands of American Jewish supporters was his strongest suggestion yet that he wouldn't hesitate to launch a unilateral pre-emptive attack on Iran. I watched his whole speech, and sat there in awe, if America could only have a leader like him, what an awesome man!
I agree Bill. He reminds me a bit of Churchill. I believe he is the greatest leader on the Earth today, and I admire his moral clarity. His addresses reveal a strong sense of right and wrong; hypocrisy and righteousness spoken to with courage and boldness.
America as a nation has lost this idea, as we have lost the idea that God's favor is important. We then embraced or allowed an anti-Christ philosophy to mold our ideas about freedom...as permissiveness...that then pushed us to legislate the most vile laws...[ abortion and sodomite anti-family garbage as justice ].
In short, we have made it clear that we hate God, and do not want him interfering. I think that because Israel has so many things to do with the plan of God...Netanyahu was raised up. Only a short while ago...70 years, 6 million of their brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers and babies, were murdered by the beast Hitler...and that there is a national consciousness that resistance is not an option, it is a mandate, to survive. They will fight to live.
Satan's strategy is to discredit the promises of God, and the utter annihilation of the Jewish state, would prove Him a liar...and the devil would then win the fight. Not!
Also, I wanted to add, it sure seems like Israel is like an enormous alarm clock...a tiny, obscure land mass....but when her bell goes off, the whole world wakes up. God called Jerusalem the center of the World....and let us always remember, It is all about Jesus!
Ezekiel 38:12
..."to capture spoil and to seize plunder, to turn your hand against the waste places which are now inhabited, and
AGAINST THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GATHERED FROM THE NATIONS!
who have acquired cattle and goods, who live at the
CENTER OF THE WORLD."
At the risk of some thinking whatever, I recently saw him on the news and after seeing and hearing him speak about Israel and the way he looked and the manner in which He spake brought a sense of emotion in me that made tears well up in my eyes with admiration of love and respect for Him and the nation of Israel. Praying for them to really know the true messiah and Lord Jesus Christ.
Blessings...rbanks
but his brother Yonatan, was the real leader of the family, but Yonatan gave his life in defense of his country during the rescue mission at Entebbe, where Israel showed the world, how long its arm was. the tragic irony of this all, was Yonatan was the mission commander.
You see, that's how the Israeli military works, the commanding officer ALWAYS leads the assault, he is the first man out, saying "follow me"....not "charge", ordering lesser ranks out, the commander, the CO always goes first.
i pray for Bibi, i pray for all those boys, who have to do what seems impossible, hit and destroy roughly 15 hardened targets in a 96 hour continous attack. Anyone who thinks Israel WANTS this is insane, and anyone who thinks Israel is asking America to help, is insane. NEVER in Israel's history have they EVER asked ONE American boy to risk his life, doing what an Israeli boy can, and they aint starting now. All they want is for everyone to get OUT OF THE WAY. Israel just wants to LIVE, thats all.
is that too much to ask? Evidently to the sons of darkness it is, (reference the "War Scroll" found at Qumran.)
"I watched his whole speech, and sat there in awe, if America could only have a leader like him, what an awesome man!"
I am not sure we should use the word awesome to describe a man that rejects Jesus Christ? If only America had a leader like him, then what? Our romanticized notions of religious-political christendom in the west could live another day?
"In short, we have made it clear that we hate God, and do not want him interfering. I think that because Israel has so many things to do with the plan of God.."
Israel is cut off from God, they have made it clear that they hate God too so what is the point?
"a sense of emotion in me that made tears well up in my eyes with admiration of love and respect for Him and the nation of Israel."
Nation state worship and false patriotic notions are not becoming of Christ’s professed people… I believe the anti-christ will rise out of a merger of Christendom and nation state Israel and evangelicals will line up to take the mark (of course they will just be pledging allegiance to 'gods' kingdom in their mind).
-Jim
As a sister I know recently wrote:
Therefore, when YOU see the Abomination of Desolation which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet… the false teaching of Christianity+Patriotism, Nationalism, Moralism-Legalism and Global Dominionism, and the practice of new age witchcraft and the worship of lucifer all WITHIN THE VISIBLE CHURCH)….
stand in the holy place, let the reader understand,
then let those who are in the false Church flee to the wilderness with Christ; let him who is on the mountains with the Lord Jesus not go back into the apostate Churches; and let him who is being fed abundant spiritual food by the Shepherd in the field not turn back to the Babylon Churches to get his covering-protection.
everytime i post on this forum, it drives a nail thru my heart, when i read stuff like this:
Israel is cut off from God, they have made it clear that they hate God too so what is the point?
or this:
I believe the anti-christ will rise out of a merger of Christendom and nation state Israel and evangelicals will line up to take the mark (of course they will just be pledging allegiance to 'gods' kingdom in their mind).
i just want to forget this forum. Jim, you're an ingrafted vine, dont be arrogant. After 1700 years of gentiles killing Jews in the "name of Jesus", one would think that God will have to bring Israel to the Knowledge of Messiah, which is what Paul prophisied, coz ya'll failed in the darkness of your hearts.....but having a go around with you? no, not worth it, have the last "word"....."I believe the anti-christ..." etc etc etc.
"everytime i post on this forum, it drives a nail thru my heart, when i read stuff like this:"
Same for me brother, but it is because I see professing believers in so much idolatry it grieves my heart. I know what Jesus saved me from and when I see others pushing that agenda it grieves my heart.
"Jim, you're an ingrafted vine, dont be arrogant."
I am not being arrogant brother, I believe there will be a large number of jews in the flesh to turn to Christ before the end. I think we can both rejoice in that. They are currently cut off and partially hardened according to the scripture though. I do not have to try and twist the scripture to suit some romantic idolatry I have for a nation state though (America or Isreal).
Romans 11:25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I want you to understand this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.
"but having a go around with you? no, not worth it,"
I already knew that Neil, since you never emailed me when I asked you to in a different thread. I wish nothing but the best for you in Christ Jesus. If you ever find it "worth it" to talk to me I would rather it be by email or phone and not on a public forum.
God bless you brother.
Jim
Neil said: "After 1700 years of gentiles killing Jews in the "name of Jesus","
To be fair to the gentiles they have killed a lot of other people in the name of "jesus" too. Lots of arabs have been slaughtered ("god" bless america) in the name of "jesus" by our country. The pope and his satanic armies killed both jew and arab along with gentile believers that would not bow their knee to that antichrist.
When it comes to americas killing, it is supported by the christian right - the same group that promotes nation state worship. I stay far away from that. Jesus said lay down your lives for your enemies. He did not say take up arms for nation state isreal, let alone some nation state america. Is it because I believe Christians are to serve King Jesus and love our enemies that I am at odds with everyone here?
you wrote:
When it comes to americas killing, it is supported by the christian right - the same group that promotes nation state worship.
not me dear Jim...oh noooo. i dont know if you were on this forum circa late 2002/early 2003, i was quite vocal on the sin soaked nature of that enterprise, it was a chess move, and the "religious right" on this forum went toe to toe with me. The war with Iraq was a chess move, not an existentational threat, and there was VAST chorus on this very forum supporting that blood soaked enterprise.
Now, vis-a-vis Iran and Israel is much different story, and as a Jew who follows Jesus, just remember Messiah wept over the City, and read Romans 9, Paul's anguished cry over his people.
rest assured friend, count me not in the numbers of the religious right, and wrapping Jesus in an American flag, count me as a Jew, who is entirely intractable on Two things, God's sovereignity, and Israel's security, and right to exist. very intractable.
i feel terrible, because i feel i failed you as a brother, and dont remember what you're referencing, and forgive for THAT..you wrote
I already knew that Neil, since you never emailed me when I asked you to in a different thread. I wish nothing but the best for you in Christ Jesus. If you ever find it "worth it" to talk to me I would rather it be by email or phone and not on a public forum.
that tears me up, to think YOU would think i dont find YOU "worth" talking to? Banish that thought and please forgive me....you are "worth" that Blood that cleanses from all sin, and you are worth my love and respect, as is each other follower of Messiah, so please...please, jog my memory...it might have been the swirl of life blinded me to your request, but i feel just terrible, again, i pray you forgive me, i am so sorry, neil
"Now, vis-a-vis Iran and Israel is much different story, and as a Jew who follows Jesus, just remember Messiah wept over the City, and read Romans 9, Paul's anguished cry over his people."
I have never counted you in that mix of religious right brother. I recognize and respect your heart for your brethren in the flesh to be saved under the blood of Christ with you. If I read the scriptures correctly many will in the last days. Thank you for writing me back regardless. I have always appreciated your zeal for the Lord even when disagreeing with you in the past. Know that I count you as a friend and brother in Christ. I think I said it about 5 years ago on this very forum - but if you are ever up in Detroit look me up...
In Christ -Jim
Neil,
I was talking about one of the first threads I posted on since I came back to SI after a couple years off. I mentioned some things the Lord had shown me here and you said to just come out and say it - not beat around the bush and talked about your recent time in the wilderness reading the prophets. I shared some similar things the Lord had been doing in my life and said it would make my day in the Lord if you wanted to email me sometime. I really wish the PM feature was on SI for times like this so we could talk in private!
God bless you brother - Jim
Hi Jim,
To be fair to the gentiles they have killed a lot of other people in the name of "jesus" too. Lots of arabs have been slaughtered ("god" bless america) in the name of "jesus" by our country. The pope and his satanic armies killed both jew and arab along with gentile believers that would not bow their knee to that antichrist.
While I agree with the notion that much wrong has been done "in the name of Jesus" (incorrectly claiming as much), your assessment about the Crusades is part of the popular revisionist approach to the topic. The crusades were less about marching under the pope's direction into Jerusalem (and surrounding area) as it was a response to Muslim conquests over the previous two to three centuries.
At that point, Muslims had marched through Europe and conquered certain areas -- reaching as far as the Iberian peninsula (Portugal and Spain). The Crusades were a response to those military conquests under a once-united Roman Empire. It is incorrect to suggest that it was nothing more than a "religious" response. It was a military response by nations that were partially occupied by Muslims at a time when some of those Muslim groups were considering even further expansion of territory.
While the Crusades were a dark time in history and a corrupt anti-christ pope was a central instigator (or overseer) of certain aspects of them, the motivation was derived out of a territorial dispute at a time when the entire European continent was under the spell of the corrupt church in Rome. However, that corrupt pope was fighting against another corrupt army that was fighting and expanding in the name of religious and physical world domination.
When it comes to americas killing, it is supported by the christian right - the same group that promotes nation state worship. I stay far away from that. Jesus said lay down your lives for your enemies. He did not say take up arms for nation state isreal, let alone some nation state america. Is it because I believe Christians are to serve King Jesus and love our enemies that I am at odds with everyone here?
Brother Jim, I know that the idea of the "christian right" is foreign to you, but the world gladly lumps you together with them. If you were to tell individuals what you believe, they would place you in the same category as the rest of them. The only difference to many of them is that you might not stand in the way to what it is that they want to accomplish (if you don't believe that it is acceptable for believers to vote).
At the same time, I know individuals who would certainly fit within your definition of the "Christian right." They participate in elections, policy decisions and even public office. They support one candidate over another. The loudly oppose certain issues (like abortion, homosexual marriage or taxpayer funded smut) that are pushed as "liberties" by certain politicians. However, I think that it is unwise to assert that they "promote nation state worship."
It is one thing to pray for your nation...and even participate in a manner that you hope will make this nation better for such a time as this. This isn't "worship" of a nation. After all, I "participate" in a job, provide for my family, pay my taxes and obey the laws of the land. At the same time, I don't feel that this is necessarily "unspiritual."
There is also a difference in regard to your citizenship. In the New Testament, slaves were instructed to obey their masters (Colossians 3:22). Now, we could easily argue that they can't have "two masters." However, it is obvious that they have one spiritual master and one in the flesh of this life.
I know that there is a "non-resistance" segment who claim to oppose all forms of resistance (other than, perhaps, rhetorical). However, if someone were to attack my wife...or your wife...or a child...or an elderly person...I would do whatever necessary (in ascending order of escalation) in order to stop it. I wouldn't just pray or preach to the woman who is being attacked or her attacker. If the situation merited immediate physical response, I think that I would feel no problem stepping forward and resisting a physical assailant. Hopefully, this would never happen. And, of course, I would likely cry out to God during the entire ordeal. However, I would gladly lay down my life for my friends.
There are believers who serve King Jesus, love our enemies yet still feel that they are at liberty (even as believers) to share their voice in elections, policy decisions or even public service.
You are completely entitled to whatever opinion that you may have on such issues. However, please understand that there are many believers who are totally in love with the Lord and seek above all to please Him in all things, yet still feel the liberty to participate in things that you might not feel is expedient or even proper.
I have wrestled with whether or not to vote at times -- but this was often because of what individuals here at SermonIndex have said. I prayed long and hard about what I read...yet still felt that liberty to vote (or even voice my views). And, of course, I have only done so after much prayer, study and contemplation.
As always, may the Lord guide us in His ways. May His thoughts be our thoughts in all of this.
please again, forgive me....no excuses, but during that period the world intruded..... let me know when you get it, so i can edit it out, in Jesus' love, neil
got it - will send this weekend. Should I not have my email on my account info around here?
you got my email addy, i edited it out, look forward to hearing from you, in Jesus love and me love, neil
Jimdied2sin,
I’ve notice you have jumped in on a couple of threads with strong language after I have posted taking something I have wrote out of context of mine original intent never asking me to clarify anything just accusing me. I don’t know you and you definitely don’t know me but I just thought I would comment about it but not in condemnation.
Your writings are strong and straight forward concerning the wrongs and idolatries over many people posts that you seem to see. You seem to see a red flag of idolatry in so many people’s posts and it is obvious that you hate idolatry as well as I and many others on here do also but you seem to go overboard about everything.
I just hope you would stop and take inventory because if we are not careful focusing so much on idolatry and ranting and raving about it all the time can become an idol that would kill our love for the Lord and His people and damage our effectiveness as His witness. Sometimes we should just back off and refocus praying for God to fill us a fresh with the Holy Spirit and ask for wisdom on how to lead and teach others the spiritual things of God without so much harshness and judgmental words toward everyone that has posted something that seems to raise a red flag that you feel you must address.
There you go I said it and don’t worry I know you don’t know me but I’m not above being corrected and if you think I’m wrong then please enlighten me. I pray for you and hope you will pray for me also.
Blessings to you!
rbanks-
I have dozens of posts recently and I can only remember seeing your name on a couple of those threads (though I wasnt really looking). The only thing I quoted from you here is "He spake brought a sense of emotion in me that made tears well up in my eyes with admiration of love and respect". I didnt even include your name on the quote because I did not want to play the man, but the ball.
"so much harshness and judgmental words toward everyone that has posted something that seems to raise a red flag that you feel you must address."
This over generalization makes me question your motives in writing these things. I see you want to play the man and not the ball?
"There you go I said it and don’t worry I know you don’t know me but I’m not above being corrected and if you think I’m wrong then please enlighten me. I pray for you and hope you will pray for me also."
You wont even discuss the issue but only write subtle lies to discredit what I have said. If you want to discuss the re-occuring theme of patriotic idolatry and its stronghold in american evangelical circles please let me know. Beyond that your word of correction seems feigned at this point. I am not accusing you, just sharing how I see them.. blessings, Jim
Hi Jim,
You wont even discuss the issue but only write subtle lies to discredit what I have said. If you want to discuss the re-occuring theme of patriotic idolatry and its stronghold in american evangelical circles please let me know.
Maybe you could further explain what you mean by "patriotic idolatry." It is easy to say such things...and for many people to agree due to the ambiguous nature of what you say. After all, everyone opposes "idolatry." However, you haven't actually defined what you mean by the term.
Thanks!
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