I was in devotionals Sunday morning, before assembly, and I was reading the latter chapters of Matthew, 24 on, and God was speaking to me, and I began to ponder and reflect on where Judas Iscariot went to after he hung himself.Where do you think he went?(ps...I asked quite a few people in my home church, now I'm asking those in my cyber church....cmon Mikey B, and Greg...
Are you asking Heaven or Hell? If so then its definatly Hell...
Judas was the son of perdition that Jesus spoke of and for Him there is no fogiveness, so he goes to Hell.
The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. (Matthew 26:24)If you are asking whether Judas is in heaven or hell then you have to consider that if Judas is in heaven then what Jesus said above is false. The Bible does say that Judas "repented himself" in Matthew 27:3, but the Greek word used there for 'repented' has the meaning of being sorry afterwards. But mere sorrow means nothing unless it leads to a change in ones mind and life. It doesn't seem this change occured;And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all [men], shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. (Acts 1:24-25)It appears Judas has suffered the fate that all unrepentent sinners suffer, eternal punishment. Unless ye repent ye shall likewise perish...sobering thought, for unsaved and saved alike.In Christ,Ron
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. (Joh 17:12 KJV) The words 'loss' and 'perdition' here have the same root. He is lost.Judas is the only devil possessed man in recorded history. The scriptures often speak of 'demon-possession' (or demonised) but of Judas it is recorded And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. (Joh 13:27 KJV)That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. (Act 1:25 KJV) 'his own place' can surely only mean the place to which he was absolutely suited. This is the only man in history of whom we may say this. We do not know what moments of repentance there may have been for Hitler or Stalin, but of Judas there is no possible alternative. At this moment in time he is the only man of whom we may,assuredely, say 'he is utterly and finally lost'.
This is the only man in history of whom we may say this. We do not know what moments of repentance there may have been for Hitler or Stalin.So true. There used to be a man in southern India who was a driver and highly influential man supplying women to politicians and big shots. He kidnaps college girls and forced them in prostitution and if they refuse burn them in front of the crowd. There is no law for him. All the police were like puppets to him. Finally one of the courageous police officer nabbed him with enough evidence and put him behind bars. They unearthed more than 100’s of bodies behind his house. It was like a hobby for him killing people. People prayed for him to die, cursed him out rightly when he was in prison. People sent petitions to government to kill him. Government passed sentence to death. Before a week he was to be hanged, couple of local believers, who were doing prison ministry met him gave him the gospel. Before the day to his death, he took baptism. Amazing testimony of God’s goodness. After his death, his wife read out his last letter in her testimony she gave in a church. In that he mentioned to his wife ,”Jesus is the only person you can trust”. By the way for you info this man used to be an idol worshipper before coming into the grace.God bless.
Think the Ron's and others have it here Neil.Taking off on Shankar's thoughts it has occurred to me before, what might our reaction be to seeing a Saddam or a Stalin or a Hitler truly repent...Would it bring indignation ala Jonah?Or tears of wonder at such forgiveness that God through our Lord, offers to ALL?
I always struggle slightly when I think of Judas as I think that there needed to be someone to betray Jesus in order for the scriptures to be fulfilled and for Jesus to carry out his purpose. Having said that I do trust that God would never let anyone go to hell unless there was absolutely no chance of repentance in their heart so I just decide to believe that this must have been the case with Judas and that his heart was so completely beyond repentance that there was no hope for him. Although he hung himself because he was sorry. Or was he just sorry for himself rather than for what he had done to Jesus. I find this whole subject quite confusing. Not that I don't trust God but if I think about it too much then confusing questiones come to mind so I guess in some ways I am better off just not thinking about it at all.
I always struggle slightly when I think of Judas as I think that there needed to be someone to betray Jesus in order for the scriptures to be fulfilled and for Jesus to carry out his purpose."God's foreknowledge sees everything and forces nothing. It leaves the liberty of the human will untouched. Whatever is foretold by God will be done by man; but nothing will be done by man because it is foretold by God." Christopher Wordsworth
'God's foreknowledge sees everything and forces nothing. It leaves the liberty of the human will untouched. Whatever is foretold by God will be done by man; but nothing will be done by man because it is foretold by God." Christopher Wordsworth'That is a great quote. I guess all my questioning will always come back to the fact that God never interferes with free will. Thanks for that. :-)
While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. John 17:12I believe Judas is in hell. No one escapes hell except those God has chosen to give them the grace to "see and believe". God chose Judas to betray Christ from the multitudes of humanity headed for hell. Eeny, Meeny, Miney, Mo...
said Judas Iscariot is "lost", or in hell.I will not say this is this or that is that.I don't mean to say that I doubt or question the inerrancy of Scripture, God forbid.The Holy Spirit put me on this train of thought this Sunday last when I was reading devotionally before I went to teach the children. I was at the latter chapters of the Gospel of Matthew, and my heartspace, on a personal level was that I was so appalled by own bad motives and unfitness for service. The night before I was so so tempted to call up the head of the children's ministry and tell her that I was "sick". But God dissuaded me from this spiritually namby-pamby course. The devil wants us to collapse, and phone in excuses, that's the enemies gameplan, foul up the saints, dredge up the half-truths of our lives, and not the Whole Truth, and the Whole Truth is Jesus.So I'm reading Matthew 26, and the first verse I underlined, the first word that STUCK out in my spirit was verse 50, "Jesus replied, 'Friend"......there was something about the Lord calling Judas "Friend"......its not like we do when we blithely call people "pal"...or "chum"then the second verse I underlined, that stuck in my soul, was 54a (chapter26)"But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled...?"then I started to read how Peter disowned Jesus, (dare I say also betrayed?....albeit not on the same plane as Judas) but then I wrote in the margins of my Bible, this:"Which is more severe?""Judas or Peter?""It was my sins that put Him on the Cross"thats what I wrote, then I came to the 27th chapter of the Gospel of Matthew, and I underlined verse 4a:"I have sinned, he said, for I have betrayed innocent blood." and I wrote in the margin "he confessed his sin"So then Judas threw the money in the temple and went away and hanged himself.is that what the Word meant, "doomed to destruction"?I've just been pondering this for several days, Praise God, and I've asked a LOT of people, a lot of the men at my church, and you all here, and every single person said "hell", or "lost".The secular world I came from is the investment world, the trading markets, and there was a truth within this world and it was this, if everybody thought a certain thing, like crude oil was going lower, it was almost certain to go higher.Now, I'm not saying this is the case here, but I do know this, I do not serve an "eeeny meeny mo" god. I serve a God who will forgive you between verse four and five, no matter what you've done. Thats Grace and thats the Living Water that Jesus bore to a dark and dying world. So God reinstated me that Sunday morning, and He reinstated me this morning, and God willing, He'llreinstate me tommorrow, coz He is God, and thankfully we are not!
"I have sinned, he said, for I have betrayed innocent blood." and I wrote in the margin "he confessed his sin"There was confession, but was there true repentance? Who did Judas confess to? it was to men, not God. Did he bring a sacrifice to the temple for his sin? Remember Pharoah? he made the same confession (see Exodus 9:27), but his heart was hard just like Judas'.If Judas had confessed and forsaken his sin to God, why did he go on to commit more sin by taking his own life?In Christ,Ron
but I do know this;that I serve a God who will forgive (you, us, him, they) between verse 4 and verse 5, (specifically Mt 27:4 and 5)Jesus is the One who told all of those assembled who may cast the first stone, who were all SO READY to condemn and kill the adulterous woman, what was our Lord writing on the ground?don't know.when Paul was taken up to Paradise, what inexpresible things did he hear?don't know.would our Lord forgive Judas if he asked?that I do know.
that I serve a God who will forgive (you, us, him, they) between verse 4 and verse 5, (specifically Mt 27:4 and 5)Sometimes it doesn't even take two verses!And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. (2Sa 12:13 KJV)
Neil. Excellent argument. You've got me thinking. I'll try not to hurt myself. Love, Dian.
'I do not serve an "eeeny meeny mo" god. I serve a God who will forgive you between verse four and five, no matter what you've done. Thats Grace and thats the Living Water that Jesus bore to a dark and dying world.'I agree with that. I guess the difference is the attitude of heart and only God knows that about a person so I still come to the conclusion that God would have known Judas' heart and judged accordingly and I believe that God would never let anyone go to hell that was truly repentant.
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For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of:but the sorrow of the world worketh death. 2 Corinthians 7:10Bible is always clear. We are the one who are confused. We try to become more spiritual than what Bible called us to be. Here i want to mention some. In the case of Job friends, they are not talking against God. they are talking for God. But God warned them in the end. I hope brothers understand what i am trying to tell.The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. Mathew 26:24What more proof we need that Judas is condemned from the above scripture.We are putting God's word to test. Like paul said examine yourself whether you are in faith. test yourself not God.Ron expounded very clearly. What more proof we needed?God may bless and have mercy on our souls.that I serve a God who will forgive (you, us, him, they) between verse 4 and verse 5, (specifically Mt 27:4 and 5)Sometimes it doesn't even take two verses!And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die. (2Sa 12:13 KJV)
If I rember, the "place" where he went is different in quality (probably a poor choice of words) then even hell or hades for thoughs who reject Jesus as messiah. Is that accurate???
Trying to read between the lines here, will squeeze this in one more time...What might our reaction be to seeing a Saddam or a Stalin or a Hitler truly repent...Would it bring indignation ala Jonah?Or tears of wonder at such forgiveness that God through our Lord, offers to ALL?Neils original question asked;"Where do you think he went?"Ultimately there is what the scriptures say and what we may think, or what we may think the scriptures say...which is, now that I think of it, the whole vast problem with us anyway...I am following you here Neil and by your response's was more inclined to offer back up the 'what if' scenario.Here's another to chew on.Would we be surprised if we were greeted by Judas in Heaven?
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