Message by Art Katz, Please Listen

I am not one to promote a favorite preacher or teacher. I listen to few sermons as I am drawn more to listen to the scriptures. This is no reflection on the quality of good teaching found on this site. This is the way God has wired me.

Yesterday I was drawn to listen to a message by Art Katz entitled The Invisible Cloud of Witnesses. I know Art Katz is one of the featured speakers on this website and his messages are well recieved. This particular message is taken out of Hebrews 12:1. He speaks of those witnesses who have been persecuted in times past and its message for us today. His challenge is we live in light of eternity.

As I listened to this message I got the impression that Brother Art does not hold to a pretrib rapture. He believes that one can very well be martyred in this day . And this in the west. He is challenging believers to live in light of eternity.

Saints, persecution is not some Tim LaHaye fantasy with a Hollywood ending of a pretrib rapture. But it is a brutal and unpleasant reality beingi lived out today. A VOM magazine or Open Doors newketters will take you to shipping containers in Eritrea or death camps of N. Korea. Foxes Book of Martyrs and Martyrs Mirror will carry you back to saints who died for Christ in times past. This is The Invisible Cloud if Witnesses.

I was amazed a westerner such as Art Katz would speak on martyrdom. Indeed this is a topic that the western Christian does not want to hear. For that matter this is a topic that Sermon Index does not want to hear. It is far easier to debate contro and have correct doctrine then follow Christ, even to death.

Even though this is Art Katz, many of you SI will be offended and turned off. But for you small remnant there is a blessing waiting for you. The message is audible. It was given in France so there is a French interpretor to listen to. It is found in the Art Katz Apostolic Foundation Thread. It is entitled The Invisible Cloud of Witnesses.

I know many will be offended by the message. But for you few with the courage of Christ, this will be a rich blessing for you.

Bearmaster standing down.

I srand corrected. Evidently this brother has a message of martyrdom to our age. I look forward to hearing mire of him. Thank you for sharing these links.

Thank you, Brother Christian.

Also know what you mean, ET101. We're blessed and grateful to have found Art here on SI years back. Wouldn't have found him otherwise. Very Grateful! One reaches a point in their walk that if they can't find anyone that is going "deeper still", they can get discouraged, lonely and can lead to a sort of spiritual depression. 'Glory to GOD' for what Brother Art left for us. It's such a gift for the serious-minded last days Saints that want to press in further and further, without the limit that others may put on this walk, or race. Amen!, Saints of the Most High and Holy GOD our Saviour. He is worthy of all Praise and Glory.

I have listened to the message by Art Katz on Martyrdom. It was the English to Arabic one. Totally incredible, moving, sobering, and convicting. What caught my attention was the brother believes he will be martyred, even by his own people. So what fo we know about him. I know he is Jewish. Is he from Israel? Is he Canadian or American? Is he still living?

Here you go, Bearmaster ...

http://artkatzministries.org/about-art-katz/

Call me 'conspiratorial', but I do believe he was martyred - but I could be wrong of course - I just know that inflicting diseases is possible and has been done for hundreds of yrs.

Thanks for your thoughts for him.

He got sick in 2005 and was later diagnosed with polyarteritis nodosa [PAN], then later they were told that it was some 'unidentified form' of vasculitis but then back to PAN. An autoimmune disease that causes inflamation of the arteries and organ damage because of that - the cause of that disease is unknown but The LORD knows the mystery behind these diseases and Art knows now.

eta - this was the announcement from the Ben Israel's update page that day ...

June 28, 2007 (7:30 PM Central Time)

The Lord took his servant home at 7:20 pm. He went very peacefully. He was surrounded to the last with his family, the Ben Israel family, and faithful friends.

It is sad in one sense this servant has departed to be with the Lord. But in another and greater sense we rejoice he is in the literal presence of Christ. Art's ministry to us will surely live on in his messages. And for sure, Brother Art, will continue to speak to us from heaven. I look forward to listening to more of his messages.

Greetings brother,

I think Lylewise best expressed after your post what I was trying to convey. So I will not go back and rehash. It was not my intention to namecall or insult. A lot of good and godly people hold to both views of the rapture.

But I do think Cory Ten Boon and Art Katz are trying to call the western church to the reality we will be persecuted and possibly give our lives for Christ. Persecution of Christ followers is not limited to what we call the 10/40 window. On a personal level Paul said those who want to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. So even in the west, ones walk with Jesus will invite persecution. Tragicly this persecution can often come from other believers.

Brother wish you blessings of Jesus. Whatever our rapture views may be, we all agree the best view is Jesus.

Kindest sincerity,

Bearmaster.

Brother Hmmhmm posted a link earlier in this thread to an SI compilation, To Live Is Christ. It is a compilation of SI archived messages on martyrdom ehich includes Art Katz. This is not gloom stuff but good soul filling protein. I found tears streaming down my eyes but then in the next instant shouting Halleujah to God. This is good stuff!!!!

I found myself asking, why is this stiff not being preached in our churches. I feel like the scribe who found the Torah which had not been read in several years..

The compilation is only 30 or so minutes but WOW. To coin a word from our charismatic friends this stuff is annoited. If you have not listened to this or even if you have do please listen to it again. It will blow you away. But do have a box of tissues standing by.

Again great stuff to take you into the throne room.

Bearmaster.

hmmhmm posted: a good listen of several featured speakers on SI compiled into one message on this subject. https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/singlefile.php?lid=17113&commentView=itemComments

You're right, bearmaster - this is excellent - very much so.

I have only listened to 4 messages by Art Katz but my heart has been challenged. The last message of One Thing You Still Lack was very penetrating. We may think that giving all for Jesus is laying aside the things of this world. But when Art speaks of having to put a beloved pet to death to follow Christ, this really puts ones heart bare before Christ. We find ourselves trembling. Then asking what is God asking me to lay on the altar to follow him.

With Abraham it was his son. With Jesus his life. With Art his German shepherd. What will it be for me? ???

I have noticed some threads have been started over whether we can lose our salvation. Perhaps after listening to One Thong You Still Lack you find yourself asking as I did, Have I ever entered into salvation?

Bearmaster standing down in some soul searching.