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dkr777 Apr 20, 2012

And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. Hebrews 9:27

I've been thinking lately about the "judgements of God" after listening to Ravenhill's sermon.

How many judgements are their in scripture that God talks about and who will be at which? What is the purpose of both?

Thanks.
dkr777

sermonindex Apr 21, 2012


Judgments vary depending on the subject in question. The judgment you are referring to, takes place after the resurrection. Some will be resurrected to eternal life and others will be burnt and got out of the way.

This doesn't occur immediately, there's a judgment of 100 years for each individual to live and learn the way to true peace, joy and abundant living under the body of the Holy Priesthood, "the Elect" and by the authority of our High Priest and King Yahshua Messiah. This judgment takes place after the millennium rule.

Hallelu-Yahweh
Praise

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brothagary Apr 21, 2012

well the bible says ,that there is a resarection of the just who will escape the wrath of god ,and a resarection of damnation ,these will be all who ever lived on the earth whos names are not writern in the lambs book of life

resarection of damnation ,,,souls will be brought back to life sufer damnation in the presence of the lamb in a place called the lake of fire ,,where the beast and false prohert are ,and the smoke of there torment asends for ever and ever ,,,,,this is as jesus said where the worm dieth not ,and fire is not quenched ,where there will weeping and gnathing of teath of the damded dead ones

evalastingly destroyed is the condition of these poor wrecthed souls ,, the broken souls of the resarection of damnation ,,kept in outer darkness for there rebelion


theres also judment here now on the earth in many forms

groups of people givern over to earthly lusts to do what is not fitting ,is said to be a judment of god

lampstands ,which is the holy spirit being taken out of churches is judment

satan being let loose on the earth is a judgment of god

what ephah is saying is not bibilcalat all

lets stick to the bible

sermonindex Apr 21, 2012

what ephah is saying is not bibilcalat all

Even though he didn't list his references he's quoting from Revelation 20.

He was not wrong or un-Biblical that there will be a judgement period after the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth. The Bible says so in the aforementioned chapter.

sermonindex Apr 21, 2012

EverestoSama---thanks for listing those references, I didn't know the chapters of the top of my head thanks.

Praise Yahweh

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brothagary Apr 21, 2012

brother puting a time span of 100 years is not in the bible ,,,and saying that those who are doomed to hell just get burnt up , is not what the bible teaches

sermonindex Apr 21, 2012

The day I realised that every element of the universe is in God's hand....that He has appointed times and seasons for all things....that He has set the compass of the earth and the heavens obey His commands...I rejoiced. For the first time in many years of knowing these things in the inner witness, I discovered that they attend to actual physical things. Even our own bodies.

The Scripture "it is given unto everyman to die once, then cometh judgement" is just as real in physicality as it is in Spirit and Truth. On the one hand it is true because God has said it so. On the other it is true for every soul of man in their personal experience. It belongs to God and at the same time every one of us will physically taste the reality of it.

As to what judgement one ought to be looking for as saints, this has to do with your own conduct. If we sin and do so for the love of self and the fleshy benefit which sin brings to a man, then we ought to look with a fearful expectation to the Lord's return. If we are willing to reckon with sin; to take account of its power working in us, then we will no doubt accept God's estimation of all flesh. The only remedy is the cross of Christ and our part in it.

This too must be an actual real and physical thing. God has esteemed all flesh as unprofitable to Him, regardless of our best efforts. So as it is written "By His doing you are in Christ Jesus Who became to us, both the wisdom of God, Righteousness, Sanctification and Redemption. (Corinthian Letter). We are none of these things in our selves, but Christ is become all of these things to us through obedience unto death, even the death of the Cross. His obedience, our benefit.

I realise that there are judgments of distinction made in the Scriptures. But I prefer to lay hold of that which is already a reality in time and place. If I am looking for a future judgement it concerns the Lord Jesus and His soon coming again. I know already in this very hour whether I truly fear Him, or whether I prefer myself. Judging ones self is the better judgement.

sermonindex Apr 21, 2012

brother puting a time span of 100 years is not in the bible ,,,and saying that those who are doomed to hell just get burnt up , is not what the bible teaches

The idea comes from a VERY loose translation of the Hebrew word קָלַל (qalal) in Isaiah 65:20 that I personally don't agree with, and I'm sure theEphah can and will speak for himself on this matter. But he didn't pull the number out of nowhere.

sermonindex Apr 21, 2012

brother puting a time span of 100 years is not in the bible ,,,and saying that those who are doomed to hell just get burnt up , is not what the bible teaches


here is the corresponding scripture:

"There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed." (Isa 65:20)

Obviously a child is not a child if they are a hundred years old, but one who is child-like is blessed with the inheritance of the kingdom...

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brothagary Apr 21, 2012

wow that is a loose interpratation endeed

i dont think it is a good idea for me to coment on that

after the resarection of the just there will be no more death of the just ,,,,,, so to say that the just are the child like ones ,and then after 100 years they will die is realy against the concept of the resarection

blessings

sermonindex Apr 21, 2012

after the resarection of the just there will be no more death of the just ,,,,,, so to say that the just are the child like ones ,and then after 100 years they will die is realy against the concept of the resarection

The 100 year judgment is not for the "Elect" {the called out ones} the judgment is for everyone else that perished without knowing the plan of Life and those that come out of the great tribulation. This act is out of sheer mercy, compassion and grace.

Believe it or not, but the scripture says that even then many will still not repent from breaking the Laws of perfect peace. All 613 righteous laws will be in full effect. Iniquity is the reason why we're in this mess to begin with. It will not be in the kingdom brethren.

Isaiah 24:4-6 tells us why this is going to occur

The earth mourns and fades away, the world languishes and fades away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.

5 The earth also is defiled under its inhabitants; because they have TRANSGRESSED THE LAWS, CHANGED THE ORDINANCE, BROKEN THE EVERLASTING COVENANT.

6 Therefore has the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell in it are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are BURNED, AND FEW MEN LEFT.

Everlasting covenant?? I thought we had a new covenant? It's all lies! the prophet Jeremiah said we've inherited nothing but lies.

sermonindex Apr 22, 2012

Ephah, do these verses go along with what you're telling about, during the Millenial reign - that After the resurrection of the Saints, there's the children of Abraham that come to believe in Him 'at' His appearing and those that didn't take the mark of the beast, will be alive at the return of Christ and will live through the millenial reign, that Brother EverestoSama posted as "Rev 20", about those that live during that 1000 yrs? ....

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
*Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
Isa 65:21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Isa 65:23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the LORD.

Just a few quotes from Zech 12 - 14 ...

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for Him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. [Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.]

Zec 13:9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God.

Zec 14:4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south....
Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.
Zec 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar.
Zec 14:21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.


R.A. Torrey on Zechariah 14 -
"Zec_14:1, The destroyers of Jerusalem destroyed; Zec_14:3, The coming of Christ, and the graces of his kingdom; Zec_14:12, The plague of Jerusalem’s enemies; Zec_14:16, The remnant shall turn to the Lord; Zec_14:20, and their spoils shall be holy."


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sermonindex Apr 22, 2012

do these verses go along with what you're telling about, during the Millennial reign - that After the resurrection of the Saints, there's the children of Abraham that come to believe in Him 'at' His appearing and those that didn't take the mark of the beast, will be alive at the return of Christ and will live


No J.I.G, theses verses does not apply to the Millennial reign. All the verses you posted apply to the judgment after the millennial reign. Why? because you cannot resurrect the masses into a defiled environment. The earth is defiled and made desolate remember? it is the job of the saints to bring this planet back to a livable state; under the leadership of
Yahshua Messiah.

The saints will have great power sister, great power. This job will take 1000 years to bring this planet back to that perfect state. This is the reason for the millennial rule, it's a tremendous job.


Now after this task is completed, then the masses will be resurrected to a perfect environment with no confusion. The food supply will be fresh, the air you breath will be free from toxins, isn't this beautiful. But you have to prove yourself to Yahweh, you have to be willing to learn the way to eternal peace. Righteousness! the keeping of the Law!


Notice Zech 14:18 everyone will come to keep the FEAST OF TABERNACLES and worship the King. Yes! the same law that has been rejected by the whole world will be the Law of the land forever. No man-made laws will ever exist.


It's with this same Law that Yahweh will destroy Lucifer with, the "holy of holies" She is the arch angel holding the tallit over the tabernacle in heaven, her only job was to uphold the Law.

Do you see why everybody hates the Law so much? because she inspired that hatred. She didn't want to be a servant like the Messiah was, she wanted to exhault herself over the most high. She wanted to be a god.

I pray that Yahweh find me worthy enough to be a part of this kingdom, I won't deny him.

Praise Yahweh

sermonindex Apr 22, 2012


Dear Ephah, you don't believe Lucifer is Satan?

sermonindex Apr 22, 2012

Dear Ephah, you don't believe Lucifer is Satan?

Not only that... Lucifer is a she?

sermonindex Apr 22, 2012

The saints will have great power sister, great power. This job will take 1000 years to bring this planet back to that perfect state. This is the reason for the millennial rule, it's a tremendous job.

May I ask you where this view of the 1000 year kingdom originates. Your post is clearly stated and I get the impression that you have a 'made up mind' arising from a systematic teaching.

I realise that to pose a question in this way implicitly infers that I don't agree or that I can't see what you are saying from Scripture. That is however not the motive. My motive is to 'look' into what you have shared. It seems very developed. I can't really understand how that can be possible. I hope you don't mind me asking, but if you do, I apologise in advance. Thanks.

sermonindex Apr 22, 2012

"I pray that Yahweh find me worthy enough to be a part of this kingdom, I won't deny him."

He will only find you 'worthy' to cast into the lake of fire as you are currently accursed under the law you pretend to uphold. You have been warned repeatedly.

sermonindex Apr 22, 2012

I was trying to take it slow. We know angelic beings are all male gender. I was going to share these verses below with theEphah - but truly desired to take it slow and stay compassionate. We don't know where Ephah has been receiving his education and 'sometimes', when we don't know someone - not being hard, helps.
Oh well. These were for Ephah, as an appeal ...

Mat 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, 'he' is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Luk 22:31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that 'he' may sift you as wheat:

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: 'he' was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound 'him' a thousand years

sermonindex Apr 23, 2012

Dear Ephah, you don't believe Lucifer is Satan?

Yes I believe Lucifer is Satan, what's your point?

The fear of the Yahweh is the beginning of wisdom; A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING HAVE ALL THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS: His praise endureth for ever. Psalm 111:10

Your own bible is telling you that you have no understanding because you refuse to keep the commandments. Should I be surprised that you don't know that Lucifer is a female? of course not. I will bring a separate post on that subject. It will shock you.

Revelation 12:9 SATAN HAS DECEIVED THE WHOLE WORLD. Do you think this is a joke? It's no laughing matter, this verse did not say that Satan has deceived Mormons; it didn't say Satan has deceived Muslims; it didn't say Satan has deceived Christians, Hindis or Catholics. This verse clearly says SATAN HAS DECEIVED THE WHOLE WORLD. Her tool of choice is deception, why are you surprised that she hid her identity?

Stay tuned, I'll bring this out in detail.

sermonindex Apr 23, 2012

May I ask you where this view of the 1000 year kingdom originates. Your post is clearly stated and I get the impression that you have a 'made up mind' arising from a systematic teaching.

The millennial rule with the Messiah is a 1000 years making a complete 7000 year time frame. Mankind has had 6000 years of self ruler-ship on this planet. The kingdom of Yahweh is at hand.

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