Ok, Do they exist????

Revelation 20:4

And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word io God.

However one views Revelation the main thing about the martyrdom of the saints in this book was beheading. We know that Moslems beheaded Christians from time to time. Also in times past nations have beheaded Christians. But their seems to be something in Revelation that suggest the saints were beheaded in a systematic manner. Much akin to the Jews being gassed in the death camps of WWII.

Before I ask these questions let me say I am not into conspiracies. But there are some disturbing things happening ehich should cause us to wake up. A few months ago Congress secretly passed the National Defence Authorization Act. In essence the act revokes Passe Comitatas and allows American military forces to detain American citizens in selected locations without due process. Using the war on terror as justification, all the President need do is declare martial law and the Constitution is suspended. Thus FEMA camps are activated and Americans deemed as enemies of the state are bearded into these camps. Needless to say that could include Christians.

Let me assure you I am not smoking crack here. The idea of detention camps is not without precedent in this fountry. Nor are we above detaining American citizens without due process. During WWII the US detained several thousand Japaneese Americans in detention center and never face them due process. Also because of 9/11 the US has operated secret prisons around the world the mist notable being Guantanamo.

I have heard about the FEMA camps. Does anyone believe they exist or is this an urban myth?

Now onto something even more bizzarre. Guillotines. Reports are surfacing that suggest guillotines are being installed in FEMA camps as well as specially designed box cars. Does anyone believe this to be true?

There have been some threads started that have suggested we may be looking at persecution and martyrdom in America. How are all these saints going to be beheaded? One has to wonder if a literal interpretation of Revelation is unfolding here.

Posted by Bearmaster.

Hi Unto,

For sure the holocost may be the closest thing what may play out in Revelation. I look forward to listening to the link you posted. Art Katz does believe in the reality of martyrdom. The den is always open to those who need refuge.

Bearmaster.

Yes there is provision in some laws it seems for the "guillotine" for some who do not know what that term means it is an more ancient form of beheading an individual: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine

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Georgia House of Representatives - 1995/1996 Sessions
HB 1274 - Death penalty; guillotine provisions

Code Sections - 17-10-38/ 17-10-44
A BILL TO BE ENTITLED AN ACT

1- 1 To amend Article 2 of Chapter 10 of Title 17 of the Official
1- 2 Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to the death penalty
1- 3 generally, so as to provide a statement of legislative
1- 4 policy; to provide for death by guillotine; to provide for
1- 5 applicability; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other
1- 6 purposes.

SECTION 1.

1- 8 The General Assembly finds that while prisoners condemned to
1- 9 death may wish to donate one or more of their organs for
1-10 transplant, any such desire is thwarted by the fact that
1-11 electrocution makes all such organs unsuitable for
1-12 transplant. The intent of the General Assembly in enacting
1-13 this legislation is to provide for a method of execution
1-14 which is compatible with the donation of organs by a
1-15 condemned prisoner.

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We simply on SermonIndex do not support or condone discussions on conspiracy theories for there is really only one conspiracy that is true and it is in Scripture:

(Ephesians 2:1-5) - 1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature[a] and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath. 4 But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, 5 made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.

The devil is blinding the eyes of many and even causing them to fulfill his purpose and desires in these end times. May we simply be led of the Spirit to do the will of God and not fixate ourselves on the powers of darkness or on any politically wrong plot that the enemy could use in the future. Such things can be mentioned but it is not the will of God to fix your mind on these things.

We must simply do the will of God and follow the leading of the Spirit not our own wisdom or ideas and therefore we will be fruitful to God.

I know I depart from many here, but I believe the enemy is largely walking free within the camp of christendom while we look for him outside the gate. We are warned by Jesus to beware of false christs and false prophets, but never of fema death camps! Closer to home than that we are warned about the thorns of life and weeds of pride in our own life rather than some alleged coffins being stored in a fema death camp.

conspiracy theory? There may be some truth for sure, but do not be carried away with them friends.

Php 4: Let your reasonableness be known to everyone. The Lord is at hand; do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus

In Christ -jim