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ccchhhrrriiisss Jun 2, 2012

‘HUMAN BARCODE’ COULD MAKE SOCIETY MORE ORGANIZED,
BUT INVADES PRIVACY, CIVIL LIBERTIES
As tech companies work to develop ID chips, how long
until we're no longer anonymous?
BY MEGHAN NEAL
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Friday, 2012 June 1

http://tinyurl.com/barcodemark

NEW YORK (NY Daily News) - Would you barcode your baby?

Microchip implants have become standard practice for our pets, but have been a tougher sell when it comes to the idea of putting them in people.

Science fiction author Elizabeth Moon last week rekindled the debate on whether it's a good idea to "barcode" infants at birth in an interview on a BBC radio program.

“I would insist on every individual having a unique ID permanently attached — a barcode if you will — an implanted chip to provide an easy, fast inexpensive way to identify individuals,” she said on The Forum, a weekly show that features "a global thinking" discussing a "radical, inspiring or controversial idea" for 60 seconds .

Moon believes the tools most commonly used for surveillance and identification — like video cameras and DNA testing — are slow, costly and often ineffective.

In her opinion, human barcoding would save a lot of time and money.

The proposal isn’t too far-fetched - it is already technically possible to "barcode" a human - but does it violate our rights to privacy?

Opponents argue that giving up anonymity would cultivate an “Orwellian” society where all citizens can be tracked.

“To have a record of everywhere you go and everything you do would be a frightening thing,” Stanley, senior policy analyst at the American Civil Liberties Union, told the Daily News.

He warned of a “check-point society” where everyone carries an internal passport and has to show their papers at every turn, he said.

“Once we let the government and businesses go down the road of nosing around in our lives...we’re going to quickly lose all our privacy,” said Stanley.

There are already, and increasingly, ways to electronically track people. Since 2006, new U.S. passports include radio frequency identification tags (RFID) that store all the information in the passport, plus a digital picture of the owner.

In 2002, an implantable ID chip called VeriChip was approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. The chip could be implanted in a person's arm, and when scanned, could pull up a 16 digit ID number containing information about the user.

It was discontinued in 2010 amid concerns about privacy and safety.

Still scientists and engineers have not given up on the idea.

A handful of enterprising companies have stepped into the void left by VeriChip, and are developing ways to integrate technology and man.

Biotech company MicroCHIPS has developed an implantable chip to deliver medicine to people on schedule and without injection. And technology company BIOPTid has patented a noninvasive method of identification called the “human barcode.”

Advocates say electronic verification could help parents or caregivers keep track of children and the elderly. Chips could be used to easily access medical information, and would make going through security points more convenient, reports say.

But there are also concerns about security breaches by hackers. If computers and social networks are already vulnerable to hacking and identify theft, imagine if someone could get access to your personal ID chip?

Stanley cautioned against throwing the baby out with the bathwater each time someone invents a new gadget.

“We can have security, we can have convenience, and we can have privacy,” he said. “We can have our cake and eat it too.”

Click the link below to read the full article or view images:
http://tinyurl.com/barcodemark

sermonindex Jun 2, 2012

Stanley cautioned against throwing the baby out with the bathwater each time someone invents a new gadget.

“We can have security, we can have convenience, and we can have privacy,” he said. “We can have our cake and eat it too.”

and your point is?

sermonindex Jun 2, 2012

And this is not conspiracy????

Bearnaster.

sermonindex Jun 2, 2012

My friends, Neil and Bear - please, you may think I'm tough but the News of late is bringing me to a sickness in my stomach and a deeper grieving in spirit than I've ever felt before.

"As it was in the days of Noah" - when some believe there were actual fallen angels mixing with the daughters of men. Whether we believe that or not - we do know that GOD had to destroy all the inhabitants of the earth because it had become thoroughly demonic. Those are the days that Jesus said that we would experience again, but He gives indication that it will be worse and world-wide with no where to run.
There has to be one place that we can come to for sanctuary - besides stay alone with The LORD with no fellowship at all.
Some topics, where people shake the faith of others, is one thing - but in this case, I have to defend Chris. I don't care who doesn't agree with me, not after all that I've experienced here this past year, but Chris was here and posting on "the Coming Global Economy" back in 2008 ... finding good articles about entities such as the IMF and World Bank - and "the chip".
He knows where we're headed - it's just that all here don't agree on the 'who is behind it' in the same way. But he does know GOD and Christ and that Satan is ultimately behind it... which he is.

I wanted to thank Chris for this article. There's much out there on this topic and some have come on here denying the chip and saying that it's nothing to be concerned with and one even saying that they'd take it and one mocking this topic - so for Chris to post this, after all that negative discussion on this topic - I give him credit for his "stay-with-it-ness" and mainly for staying doctrinally sound with a deep burden for souls. Those traits are decreasing in this apostate church and uncaring, feelingless world.

I love you both and I believe that you both know that and this thread is only alerting those that are asleep or more interested in other things, that a digital economy is on it's way.

Stay Strong in Christ and His Love.

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Lovefirst Jun 2, 2012

It is very convenient, and if we where not followers of Jesus Christ then I doubt we would see issue with it. Aside from the possible identity fraud capabilities and also the idea of no privacy. I can totally see how this seems to be leading the the dreaded mark of the beast spoken of in Revelation.

What I wanna ask, looking for insight with wisdom, is how will this represent the man of sin? How will the chip reveal itself with a mark or a number of the beast? Social Security Cards, Bar Codes, now RFID chips in identification cards are all steps towards what we are looking for in the mark of the beast.

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ccchhhrrriiisss Jun 2, 2012

Hi brother bearmaster,


by bearmaster on 2012/6/2 8:44:47

And this is not conspiracy????

I have previously attempted to explain this to you.

This is not a "conspiracy" because I am not alleging one. I simply found a recent article in a major American newspaper, felt that it could be relevant to our understanding of the times (or how this world reacts to these times) and then posted it in the Current Events section.

There is a world of difference between posting a newspaper article and any attempt to connect the dots between reports, present allegations or repeat unsubstantiated rumors as if they were true.

Now, I am not alleging that a barcode will be the "mark of the beast." That mark could consist of something different altogether. However, I do see a correlation between an acceptance of the "benefits" of such technology and even how it could "unite" society and the mark on the right hand or forehead that is mentioned in the Book of Revelation.

This is not a "conspiracy," but an understanding of what the Bible says and how it is possible that modern technology and sociological attitudes are making such a concept feasible today.

Does that make sense?

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ginnyrose Jun 2, 2012

And I am finding it really unsettling about the intrusiveness of the gov. Now they want to use drones to spy on the American people.

Or, maybe some folks are so bored with their desk jobs that they will find ordinary life for the American citizen fascinating??!!! Like watching a reality show of the common people??!!

Duh...

Vexing..

Annoying...reckon anyone could see ya if you made faces at it? Now, that should be entertaining...

Oh, dear, what does this have to do with revival? Ok, I will quit for now...

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ccchhhrrriiisss Jun 2, 2012

Thank you, Jesus-is-God.

Lately, I have noticed a "peer pressure" in this world. Sociological norms were often used for the benefit of society...and have been historically based upon Judeo-Christian views of morality and immorality. However, I have noticed that modern society is creating a "new morality" that is based upon the whims of certain "pushy" segments of society.

Have you noticed how those who don't embrace homosexuality or the goals of homosexual activism are painted as "homophobic," "bigoted" or even "extreme?" The same is done with other issues of morality and immorality. Anti-abortion advocates are painted out to be "fanatics" who are "at war with women" rather than defenders of unborn human beings. If that doesn't work, they are painted as uncaring of the physical and financial needs of children who weren't aborted.

Why is this "new morality" -- which is really immorality -- taking precedence in this world? Sadly, I think that this could be by the loss of "voice" by the church. Those who know the truth are too quiet with it and many of those "Christians" who present their views loudly, abrasively and without an apparent motivation of love...and are easily lumped together with "fringe" views. When I see groups like Westboro Baptist Church acting like they represent the true Church of God, my heart breaks. That "church" is nothing more than a cesspool of hatred and extremism. And, sadly, they are casting a terribly disfigured reflection upon the true Body of Christ.

I have a friend who is a professor at a renowned Ivy League university. We have engaged in several debates about a plethora of topics. He is an atheist and quite "evangelical" with his views. He has a strong distrust for what he calls "fundamentalist Christians." He once mentioned that he feels that "evangelicals and fundamentalists should be tagged with chips and monitored by the government" because they are a "danger to society."

This man argues that "atheism" is the default stance of the government (which, of course, I easily refute). Once, I mentioned about how "dangerous" those "fundamental" Amish and Mennonites can be...just to show him the lack of logic in his anger.

Throughout our debates, he has been quite adamant with his positions, but has told me that I "almost" persuade him to "see things" as I do because of my ability to reason with him. He even considered flying down to attend my wedding a few years ago. However, I often think about how his attitude about Christianity might be a precursor to the way society eventually comes to accept a "mark" that identifies themselves as belonging to a completely secular form of unity. He views all Christians like those weirdos in the tiny but loudly error Westboro Baptist "Church."

Christians oppose many practices that place them at odds with society. Some feel so strongly about it that they, like this distinguished professor, want Christians to be marked and monitored by the government. Eventually, there will be a reverse form of identification...where individuals will line up to identify with the Beast. This sociological "unity" will embrace all forms of immorality and could be spurred by a type of peer-pressure "inclusion."

So, I do see this attitude is in the world today...and how it could possibly be a precursor to what is written in Revelation chapter 13. It may not come in the form of a barcode, microchip. However, this news article (and other articles like it) show that some people are already willing to line up for such a thing because they see so many practical benefits from it.

sermonindex Jun 2, 2012

Anne you should know that I belueve persecution is coming to America. If I say it. It is q conspiracy. If Chris says it it us fact.

Bearnaster.

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ccchhhrrriiisss Jun 2, 2012

Bearmaster,

I have asked you previously to stop repeating this. It is untrue. I have not accused you of spreading conspiracy. In a couple of posts about a highly disputed myth, I urged everyone caution about spreading conspiracy theories.

Please refrain from repeating a claim that I am "accusing" you of anything. It is untrue.

sermonindex Jun 2, 2012

Chris I was listening to a message by Denny Kenniston last night. He was speaking about total surrender of the believer to Christ. He spoke about this in the context of the Ababaptist. But made application to today.

Brother Denny shared this. Imagine you wake up and read in your morning paper this headline. CASHLESS SOCIETY. All people have two months to comply and get a chio in their person. You are a Christian. What has been discussed in academia is now real. What are you going to do? The pretrib rapture has been shown to be false.

Maybe those FEMA camps will be found to be true and there will be more important things to be concerned about. Like enduring persecution.

Bearmaster standing down.

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ccchhhrrriiisss Jun 2, 2012

I think that total surrender is a timely message today...even if you don't care to identify yourself as an "Anabaptist" or not. But it is an important Biblical concept for EVERY believer to grasp.

There is no doubt that persecution is coming. After all, we are promised tribulation in this life. Believers throughout history have endured tribulation since the time of Christ...and even the prophets under the old Covenant were killed for their faith. Hebrews 11 is filled with anecdotes about such endurance. Foxe's Book of Martyrs includes the stories of individuals who refused to bow their knee to anything or anyone other than their Savior. We should be like-minded.

Now, the notion of a "cashless society" is something that currently must be left to the imagination. Why? It isn't here (yet)...and it isn't necessarily a fulfillment of Scripture. The Scriptures speak about a "mark" that no one can buy or sell without...and how gold will be have a different value assigned to it...but this doesn't necessarily mean that there will not be any "cash" by the time the Lord returns.

It is like those who make constant suggestions about a "one world government." The Scriptures never mention such a thing. There is an indication that there will be a CONFEDERATION of governments (with a central leader over them), but there will still be wars between independent governments too. And, of course, the concept of "nations" exists throughout the Revelation.

Now, I cannot say with absolute certainty that there will be a gathering of the Bride before the time that God's wrath is poured upon the whole earth. I currently lean toward such a view, but I am quick to admit that I understand there are other possibilities. I believe that the key is to be spiritually prepared to endure anything -- including both the persecutions of men and the physical wrath of God -- and to never take our eyes off of Jesus.

Like you said, much of this is left to the imagination. However, we must guard ourselves to prevent from being given to vain imaginations. There are believers all over this world who do not have access to the "tools" and "materials" that we do and don't follow the various eschatological rabbit trails that we are sometimes prone to follow. In fact, we are not to be given over to worries about such things. All that we must do is keep our eyes on Jesus and His Word. While we can be aware about such things, we don't have to worry about what this world is conspiring to do.

The worst thing that this world can do to us is kill our bodies and send us into Eternal bliss and the joy of finally seeing the face of the One who made us. So, as Paul said, to live is Christ and to die is gain. This is true regardless of when and how it happens.

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pilgrim777 Jun 2, 2012

Hi Chris,

I believe it Sweden went cashless.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/feeds/sweden-leads-move-to-cashless-mobile-economy/4656

Also, don't you find it interesting that Jesus was comparing the end of the age with the days of Noah?

Noah and his family were saved just before the wrath of God was poured out. Before that, Noah had to endure persecution (mocking).

Pilgrim

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staff Jun 2, 2012

hi all,
The" mark of the beast" looks straight forward you accept a mark or not,however the mark is not a regular mark it has a spiritual side to it because it separates you from God.We know barcodes for instance cannot separate us from God.
Also another problem is this example-
A man is forceably given the" mark of the beast"-Well we know from scripture this cannot happen.(with a barcode or chip this is possible)
So whatever it is has to be accepted by us freely and have the ability to make fellowship with God impossible.
However whatever this mark is it will happen.
Yours Staff

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ginnyrose Jun 3, 2012

As I read about the end-times speculation, hoping one is interpreting scripture correctly, I am reminded of the verse in Romans 8:36: "As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter."

The past ten days or so, my husband's niece built a fence next to our property line in order to hold the kids (goats) she wants to sell for slaughter. When people drive into our
business they can see these kids. That is the entire idea - she wants them where the public can easily see them.

As I look at these animals, I think they are so cute; they are tame; and totally oblivious to their future. They enjoy the present because they have a caring caregiver. But they may be slaughtered before too many days and grilled in someone's barbecue pit. But they do not know it and if they could they are powerless to change that destiny.

Are we like these goats? Somehow I sense there is a lesson here for us, if we are willing to learn.

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proudpapa Jun 3, 2012

Whenever a manditory implant is required with no religious exemption and you can not buy or sell without it and just a few refuse it just a remenant refuse it and they loose everything including their lives because they feel such a strong conviction against it no for sure it is the mark!!

sermonindex Jun 3, 2012

Proudpapa remember Brother Denny's third message in the Anabaptist series? He spoke of total surrender to Jesus and what that would entail. One of the examples he used of total surrender to Jesus was a believer refusing to take the mark.

This may be a question that all of us will have to wrestle out before the Lord. For the American believer not accustomed to persecution it will not be an easy decision. I know it will not be easy for me.

Bearmaster.

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