If you needed an organ transplant but the only organ available was a clone from a Nazi Consentration camps victim would you accept it?? Would you believe that Gods Blessing would be on it??
Lol, where did you come up with this one? Not just a Nazi camp victim but a CLONE of one. Wow. I will need ten years to think about it.
p.s. Are you saying the clone is dead or alive?
There is a real ick factor here. I would have to say no.
RE: Trekker wrote "p.s. Are you saying the clone is dead or alive"
The Clone is living. But it is just the clone of the organ, that makes it OK right??
no I would have to agree with you, I would have to say no.
But we may have already said YES
If you needed an organ transplant but the only organ available was a clone from a Nazi Consentration camps victim would you accept it?? Would you believe that Gods Blessing would be on it??
Dear Brother the things which were done to millions of men and women in and throughout Europe during 1933-1949 by wicked men is more terrible than could be spoken. Why do you so lightly ask a question which of necessity requires one to think about genocide and at the same time press the answer into a mere semantic. I am a Jew according to the flesh and a true Jew according to the spirit. Do you not understand what offense is. In the last week I have seen the name of the man largely responsible for these mass murders three times on SI. It is really a foolish thing to draw attention to such things in this way.
Andrew
Edited: after praying more on this I felt convicted that I posted in self. For that I am sorry. There are some threads I know the LORD does not have for me to be apart of and in self I ventured into this one any way.
I am sorry for interrupting your discussion and ask that those sharing here would forgive me.
God bless
mj
papa,
I am seriously rethinking my position on organ transplantation.
I know that to accept another's organ is not sin. But I am wondering about its ethics. Some may say, "but this delves into the realm of sin, does it not?" Sometimes.
For starters, let me say that our oldest son had a cornea transplant when he was 19 YO - his cornea was destroyed by an amoeba - he had acathamoeba keratitis. His cornea burst, prompting a transplant or else he would have been blind in that eye for life. The graft was taken from victim killed in a car accident.
Today this son is still going well with the transplant but did learn its viability is not known - could need another one before too many years (he is now 43 years old).
Now I read how some medical experts are questioning the ethics of heart (and other organs?) transplants. They suggest the donor may be be really dead, you are running the risk of killing a person in order to harvest usable body parts.
Then there is the cost. Back when Lyn had his cornea transplant it cost around $8,000 - we were given a discount because it was paid off when due. Heart transplants can cost up to a million dollars. And who pays? Uncle Sam, aka as the government. What is the longevity of a new heart? Not long, ten years, sometimes more, sometimes less...But does the cost justify this procedure? This is what gives me pause, makes me ask hard questions. A million dollars to prolong you life for ten (?) years and then you will die, anyways? Why are you so scared of dying? You want to rob people of their hard earned money to postpone the inevitable? We all are going to do that sometime - this is a promise.
Where the graft comes from - well, I am wondering how the recipient can know its origin? It took us a while before we were told anything about the donor - this info is not readily shared. It used to be the doctors will not share this info with the recipient although I think my cousin knows the donor's family of the heart he received in a transplant.
These are the issues I grapple with...
My thoughts...
Re: amrkelly wrote (Why do you so lightly ask a question which of necessity requires one to think about genocide and at the same time press the answer into a mere semantic.)
Dear amrkelly, no offence is at all intended to any Jew or to you. When I reveal the parallel you will understand just how accurate this illustration is.
The idea Came to me after seeing Ray comforts 180 in which Ray required people to think about genocide which was done to millions of men and women in and throughout Europe during 1933-1949 by wicked men that are more terrible than could be spoken. about.
Whenever Nathan comfronted David He did not come argueing he came with an illustration that Made David think and it Did make Him think and it Made him Judge . Coming and telling him that he was wrong would just have pushed him further in His wickedness.
I come with a terrible and gruesome illustration But the reality of anology will show its self also very gruesome
Dear ginnyrose you said "But I am wondering about its ethics"
Keep watching this forum and I am sure that You will question the ethics of modern medicine
Re: Mary Jane wrote
"after praying more on this I felt convicted that I posted in self. For that I am sorry. There are some threads I know the LORD does not have for me to be apart of and in self I ventured into this one any way."
It is disscusting but if you knew where I was going with this I think you would probably more understand.
QUOTE:
Keep watching this forum and I am sure that You will question the ethics of modern medicine
My answer: I already am. Maybe not so much the medical profession but people's love affair with it: pursue it at all and any cost.
I will look forward to your perspective of it.
by proudpapa on 2012/6/2 4:25:08
Re: Mary Jane wrote
"after praying more on this I felt convicted that I posted in self. For that I am sorry. There are some threads I know the LORD does not have for me to be apart of and in self I ventured into this one any way."
It is disscusting but if you knew where I was going with this I think you would probably more understand.
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proudpapa
I do not mean to side track your thread but I wanted to come back and say in response to what you wrote that my edited my post was not meant as an admonishment toward you or your thread. After praying I just felt convicted for my response when I know that there are topics that FATHER has cautioned me not to take part in. I did not mean to offend in any way and again I do apologize for the interruption.
God bless
mj
The idea came to me after seeing Ray comforts 180 in which Ray required people to think about genocide which was done to millions of men and women in and throughout Europe during 1933-1949 by wicked men that are more terrible than could be spoken about. ProudPappa
Dear Brother the things which were done to millions of men and women in and throughout Europe during 1933-1949 by wicked men is more terrible than could be spoken. AMRKelly
Brother ProudPappa I didn’t believe for a minute that you were wishing to cause offence to anyone. Not even when speaking to a medical ethics reality and the means you have decided to use.
I have no idea who Ray Comforts is and no idea why he wanted to speak about such things. You have the reasons you have and I wouldn’t want to interfere with that purpose simply because it offends me. It offends most people in reality who are presented with anything which is clearly so terrible. That’s not the same as believing that speaking about something which draws attention to wickedness is of itself offensive. The term “foolish” which I use often is used in the Scriptural sense of the word. It simply means the opposite of wise. The word used in a well-intentioned way would mean “drawing attention to a possible lack of wisdom”.
The parallel between my post and what Ray Comforts spoke is clear, but so is history, if one has looked into it! I am sorry that I barged into your post.
I come with a terrible and gruesome illustration But the reality of anology will show its self also very gruesome
I have no doubt about this statement. The Lord Bless you.
Andrew
RE: amrkelly
"I have no idea who Ray Comforts is and no idea why he wanted to speak about such things"
Brother Andrew I am sorry, I figured everyone here new who Ray Comfort was and about his documentry, sermon Index posted Forum about it recently.
Ray Comfort as revealed in the documentry is also Born again,and a Jew. Watch the video 180 by Ray Comfort just google 180 and it should be at the top. It Shows how History is repeating it's self.
I think you will better understand where I am coming from after watching it.
research WI-38 and tell me what you think??
research MRC-5 and tell me what you think??
i thing i do know about ray comfert,is he was invited to speak at time square church by david wilkinson ,,iv read a coment my him which was verry honering of wilkinson ,, evn tho he is not a carsamatic ,he cleary loved david wilkison ,and david saw the godliness in rays message ;,hells best kept secret,;
Hey brothagary I do not know alot about Ray comfort, I have read a few things and heard a few messages of His. Searching for sermons by Wilkerson was one of the things that first led me to SI.
Have you ran a search on WI-38 or MRC-5 what do you think about that??
wow how thats,,,,,,,
brother no i havent doen a surch i will soon
thank you
Does it not bother anyone that you are injecting yourselves and your children with vaccines that are made with cell cultures from aborted fetus tissue??
research WI-38 and MRC-5 and tell me what you think??
Does it not bother anyone that you are injecting yourselves and your children with vaccines that are made with cell cultures from aborted fetus tissue??
proudpapa, sure it bothers me. Christians should have nothing to do with vaccinations, even without such abominations like aborted fetus tissues, monkey kidneys and similar things as ingredients, they already have enough toxic materials to be directly injected into the bloodstream.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I732HU7o1PA
research WI-38 and MRC-5 and tell me what you think??
When I did my research several years ago, I came to similar conclusions as these:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080404005005/http://www.satanicvaccines.com/MessageToChristians.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20080318014429/http://www.satanicvaccines.com/Ingredients.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20080224071538/http://www.satanicvaccines.com/VaccineHistory.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20080412082922/http://www.satanicvaccines.com/VaccineCreation.htm
A couple of years ago I listened to the book "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by Shirer during my commute to work-- I believe it was about 40 CDs. It gave me great insight into the man of evil and it also (unintentionally) demonstrated God's intervention in WWII.
Then about a month ago my wife and I watched an old TV miniseries "War and Remembrance" which very graphically showed the horror of concentration camps.
I agree with AMRkelly on this one. While it is very important to be informed about what happened, there are some things that need not be discussed just for the sake of academic discussion; I am not clear what good can come of it.
I do believe the question would be offensive to a desdendant of a concentration camp victim.
I understand that no offense was intended, however.
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