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Greenlea Jun 10, 2012

I need some advice. Some of the young people in our congregation have began to start saying that god has told them who their husband or wife will be. They will often go to the person who they claim will be their spouse and tell them which put the person in a difficult position.
Do they agree with them even though they have heard nothing or do they tell the offending person that they don't believe them. When some say they do not agree the person who "had the word" will become offended or just say that God will speak to them or that they are not listening.
I'm not saying that God will not speak someone about who their spouse will be, but it seem these young people are doing this far to often.
What has happened a few times in the past is that someone will say that - for instance - " God showed me that John will be my husband" . A few months later they will hear that John is courting Susan so they will then say " I missed God on that". A couple of months later they will say Gary is to be my husband. Sometimes it is two people at one time who say that one certain person is to be their spouse.

The leadership is somewhat aware is this (not every case) but I don't know if is has ever been addressed.

Has any had this to happen in their congregation? Any advice.

sermonindex Jun 10, 2012

If they want Biblical examples of God specifically telling someone to marry a certain person, the only one I can think of is Hosea...

And if that's the example they want to follow, then........

sermonindex Jun 10, 2012

George mueller was a man of great faith. He never told a living soul his physical/financial needs but took it to God in prayer and God would provide.
A rule that George put forth was that if he relied on the Spirit alone without it being confirmed by the scriptures he opened himself up to great deception. I think these youngins are opening themselves up to deception.

Paul the apostle in 1 corithians explains that prophets are to declare what God has given them to the body and then let the other prophets judge it.

Thes practices that you explained are people acting in there own fleshly mind of what they want God to say.
When they then say I missed God on that well let them be reminded of this scripture


De 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

They should keep silent if they think the Lord has told them this. if it is true then there are better ways to go about this whole thing.

sermonindex Jun 10, 2012

If they want Biblical examples of God specifically telling someone to marry a certain person, the only one I can think of is Hosea...

And if that's the example they want to follow, then....(EverestOsama


Thats very funny. It would certainly encourage the young brethren in question to think more carefully about exercising their spirit of discernment!

What has happened a few times in the past is that someone will say that - for instance - " God showed me that John will be my husband" . A few months later they will hear that John is courting Susan so they will then say " I missed God on that". A couple of months later they will say Gary is to be my husband. Sometimes it is two people at one time who say that one certain person is to be their spouse....(greenlea)

There is nothing new in this phenomena. In the last 25 years or so it has become more prevalent. I think this may have something to do with exercising a gift which though a true gift isn't really intended to be used in that way. In fact it may not even be thought of in that way. The churches today are so aware of the knowledge of spiritual gifts that the gift itself isn't even sought, but presumed. On the other hand they are young and as with all youth they need to be taught to flee youthful lusts. Desiring a husband or a wife is a lovely thing, but it has to be based on mutual natural affection as well as God's will. If I am not mistaken I was 'caught' by my wife through prayer. I recall at the time how fearful it was to me that these sisters were praying for husbands. The first thought which came into my wife's mind when she met me was "I will never marry him". Three months later we got married. I didn't even desire a wife at all. Is there wisdom of God in it. Yes..my wife got her man and I go tied down!.

Encourage these young brethren to speak to God and not one another except by way of normal affection.


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lindi1208 Jun 10, 2012

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If they want Biblical examples of God specifically telling someone to marry a certain person, the only one I can think of is Hosea...

And if that's the example they want to follow, then....(EverestOsama

I agree with armkelly that is very funny couldn't stop chuckling when I read that comment lol : ). I think it's true that one opens a doorway to deception if they are not prayerful! One example of someone who said God told them who their spouse is, is BH who is now divorced as of 2010. He often says God told him he should marry SH, who pertitioned for a divorce some 20 so
Ething years after marriage sighting an unbiblical reason of irreconcilable differences. Prayerfulness and abiding in the word being led by the spirit is the answer. Are these young people grounded and rooted in the word? If they are they will not be carried away to and fro by every wind of doctrine but will trust God's perfect timing for their spouse.

That said I believe it will also be unwise to say God does not speak to someone who they should marry. God is sovereign so at times He will minister to two individuals who their spouse is but I believe it would be simultaneous and both individuals would be prayerful and spirit led believers wholly devoted to abiding in the word.!

sermonindex Jun 10, 2012


One of the best things that Watchman Nee taught was "waiting on The LORD to prove that what you think you've gotten from The LORD is really from Him."

People don't seem to teach vs 21 of these three anymore -

1Th 5:19 Do not quench the Spirit.
1Th 5:20 Do not despise prophecies.
*1Th 5:21 TEST ALL THINGS, hold fast the good.

Not "testing all things" is also another form of "quenching the Spirit".

What Nee said is so true. One should know that GOD allows as much time as needed to Prove things out. He's not nervous or in a hurry. Only on very rare occasions does He give a word that needs to be acted on immediately. Like when this guy was driving home from work, down his dirt road and the LORD very strongly said, "Stop!".
He did and just over the next bump in the road, laid his 3 yr old. He couldn't see him for that bump in the road. The toddler was just laying there, playing.
Best to just keep quiet and pray - asking The LORD to give a number of confirmations. Especially when it comes to marriage. If these kids don't learn that Satan is a master counterfeiter of "GOD's Voice", they'll sadly learn the hard way. He also super-specializes in that 1 to 2% error mixed in with truth.


Amen, EverestoSama - some don't find out until after they're married - what they married.
Oh my!

sermonindex Jun 10, 2012

I've had this happen to me years ago. This Sister whom I loved as a friend only, told everyone in the Church but me that she and I were to be married. I got the second hand news from other people and told them I have no idea what they were talking about. Finally confronting the Sister she was quite adamant, she was convinced that God had put us together. Up until that time we had great fellowship and it was great that God had given me a friend, after this ordeal it turned sour. It was difficult to shake her off, I mean it took a lot of energy to the place that I had no choice but to be carnal. I had absolutely no affections for her as a wife, she was not my type for one thing, but the dear soul was misled by a spiritual person to make her think that God spoke in such a manner through a word of knowledge. She cut all ties with me and I haven't seen her in years.

The word of knowledge she received was from God, the problem arose when trying to interpret to mean something else. There was no hint of it being a husband, but the person that told her, whom she respected, said that "it could be interpreted that way". She ran with that information to mean a husband, when in fact, all it was that a person would enter her life to be a friend.

She was a good friend. I miss our short lived friendship.

sermonindex Jun 10, 2012

When the Lord first spoke through Hosea, the Lord said to Hosea, Go, take to yourself a wife of harlotry and have children of harlotry; for the land commits flagrant harlotry, forsaking the Lord.

I rather think that Hosea knew who he was marrying and in any case he was commanded to it. This, because he was a prophet. In keeping with all prophets, their own actions and life styles were part of their witness. No matter how it may be understood by some who imagine they are able to judge these things, prophets are commanded to obedience and find it difficult to resist, which to them would be disobedience.

To fill up what I shared earlier for greanlea. My wife Helen was not one of the sisters praying for a husband she refused to participate in that agreement; rather she regarded it to be foolish. She in fact like myself was not thinking of marriage at all. Nevertheless we did marry and we did so out of a natural affection and in obedience to God's will. Why she had the thought about not marrying myself when she wasn't even thinking about it only makes sense to her.

The being "tied down" is a reference to an instrument of responsibility, namely marriage and the resultant children, one of whom in my case has cerebral palsy. We have been married for 28 years and remain so. Words can mean many things but discernment is a different matter. You understand. Given the extraordinary assault which is taking place against marriage to day in the church, young people who are free to marry should have a sound foundation for doing so. Firstly genuine love and affection, secondly God's blessing. The commandment to marry is given by an act of God creating a women from a man and giving the woman to the man for life. However, it doesn't do to be too harsh or legalistic with young people when helping them to be wise in the way they go about that choosing of their own which is of itself obedience.

My wife was hated when we announced our intentions by the very sisters who were praying for husbands. I too was hated by the sister my wife lodged with. This sister was one of the three who were praying as well. Believing that something is of God may be foolish if it clearly is not the case. This must be true in most instances of a man and a woman expressing their interest in one another through words of knowledge or claims that "God has said" or "God has shown". Nothing strange about a boy hoping for something and then asking God and believing in hope that it is true. After all who led the boy to think in that way in the first instance. Similarly in the case of a girl.

The instruction about the "stop" for the dad who was about to run over his own child is wonderful. If only obedience in all things were that simple!

Here is my wife's e-mail address if anyone has the courage to ask her. htkelly@openscriptures.info

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jimp Jun 10, 2012

hi, i had an experience that involved the gift of the words of knowlege.i remet a woman in church that was so fine i fell in love with her ,head over heels... we went to church together and to the symphony and opera and people would ask if she was a movie star. one of my dear friends sas dating zsa zsa gabor at the time and my barbara out glitched zsa zsa. i went to my pastor who was one of the great preachers on the earth and asked him for counsel . after a week or so he called me into his office and told me 5 reasons not to stay involved with barbara .God had shown him what she would do after we married. of course i married her and she immediately changed and went through the five things that wes had told me she would do. a year later, she told me she fell in love with our handy man and wanted me to leave.thank God. for she stopped going to church, tried to kill me etc. i have not seen her since but pray for her on a regular basis.jimp

sermonindex Jun 11, 2012

If these kids don't learn that Satan is a master counterfeiter of "GOD's Voice", they'll sadly learn the hard way. He also super-specializes in that 1 to 2% error mixed in with truth.

EXACTLY. This should be said to all young people in the church.

sermonindex Jun 11, 2012

Having read your post jimp I can’t help but be struck by my own experience of getting married and how completely opposite in character it was. I respect you for sharing as you have done. What I now share should in no way diminish your testimony and the wisdom it holds for some. In your experience it was clearly so. Continuing in prayer for your former wife is really gracious.

Having just been released from prison I wasn’t exactly the ideal candidate for anyone. Yet I fell in love and so decided to marry having asked Helen and then her father. My pastor at the time had said to me when I arrived out of the blue to his flock that I wasn’t to ask any of the sisters out for at least six months. I agreed without any hesitation. Six weeks later I realised that I was attracted to Helen and so I asked another sister for advice. She said that I should ask Helen to the cinema and take things steady. I did and Helen said she would think about it. Within a few weeks of asking, my conviction that Helen was to be my wife was so strong that I was compelled to actually skip the pictures and ask her to marry me. I prayed with a great burden to be accurate before God and so I asked the Father in Heaven if I could marry his daughter. To my complete surprise the Father said to me that I would have to ask Helen and if she said yes then I could marry her. I was also warned that if Helen said yes, I would be held accountable for her. I asked Helen and she agreed. The pastor heard about this and told me that I wasn’t to marry for at least a year. I agreed. However I came under another strong conviction that I ought to marry and so having asked Helen’s father we married in her family church.

I wrote a letter to the pastor and advised him that when we saw him again we would be married. On the day we arrived back to the church we came into the end of the meeting. To my horror I heard the pastor condemning my marriage and telling the other young people to take warning. As he came down the central corridor of the church I fixed him with a look and asked him by what authority he had condemned my marriage. He replied that he had seen this sort of thing before and that the marriage had lasted for just two years. What my pastor didn’t know, was that Helen and I were completely obedient to the cross. Whilst we were courting I had looked at Helen and said to her “the only thing which is between us is Christ”.

The pastor had taken a similar position with another brother and sister. He had been saved in prison, she was a school teacher and lovely in every way. They followed the pastor’s advice to the letter. It was this sister I sought advice from regarding Helen. Some years later this sister discovered that her husband was having an affair. Needless to say she was devastated. They reconciled and she became pregnant with their first born son. The baby died just a few days after birth and their marriage completely collapsed. He went back to his unfaithfulness. Helen fell pregnant within seven days of our marriage. On the day we received official confirmation of this our land lady came to us and said that if ever we were to have a baby we were to leave. Imagine how I felt knowing Helen was pregnant. We left.

There is a great deal more to this than these few details. But I think that what I understood at the time and what I have believed ever since is that marriage is between a man and a woman and not between a pastor a man and a woman. Authority in marriage is the only certain reality which will keep a marriage despite every kind of attack. The obedience should be firstly in the man submitting to the woman’s father in asking with a sincere asking and in the woman submitting to her husband with a sincere submission. Every thread of understanding I have in life which is wholesome and reasonable has come from being married to a woman who is sound in her faith and sound in her attitude as well. I know without any shadow of doubt that I am unworthy of her. Yet her attitude and faithfulness has kept me. I on the other hand have exercised authority over my family to keep them from the world and from the evil one.

Young believers should be taught the principles of authority and submission in the area which will really make the difference. No pastor, no matter how he is, can keep a marriage if those who are married do not know how to keep themselves. By submitting to a pastor instead of directly to God and the heads of households, a marriage may be weakened from the very outset because the man and the woman will set their sight in the wrong direction. Even if there are no heads of households to submit to in asking, those entering into marriage should look to heaven and to the Father, and not to the church. Christ the head of the man, and the man the head of the woman. It has been rejected across much of the world. The Lord knows.

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waitonGod Jun 12, 2012

In my opinion, marriage is biggest decision anyone can make outside of a decision for Christ. It is so important that anyone considering marriage saturates themselves with prayer and God's Word. I would be very hestitant to believe that God would speak to anyone about marriage who refuses to follow the plain teachings of Scripture.

That being said, even for Godly young people, it is so easy to allow the flesh to distort our sensitivity to God. I knew a very Godly girl a few years ago in Bible School who was completely convinced that we would get married. She felt like God told her... but He sure enough didn't tell me! It's probably a rare occasion when God tells someone who their future spouse will be, but leaves their "future spouse" out of the loop.

I'm 24 years old and closing in on my first year of marriage. Some people laughed at me when I told them I didn't want to get into a relationship without knowing that she was "the one" for me. I was told that I need to date around to figure out my type. I wasn't convinced. After Bible School I went home and developed an attraction to a girl from my home church. Before feelings were heavily involved I took it to the Lord believing I would get an answer. God spoke to me that night more powerfully than I had ever heard Him speak in my life. He told me His answer was "Yes." I immeditely called her up and told her she would marry me. NO I DIDN'T!! I didn't even know if this girl really liked me at the time. God has graciously blessed me with a tiny bit of common sense. I went home and wrote a letter to her explaining what God had spoken to me. A letter that I gave her only AFTER she had said "Yes." I began talking to her, and within a few weeks of God speaking, we were dating. Until we were engaged neither of us spoke to the other of what God had told us. I learned later that two days after I got my answer, God seemingly out of the blue, told her that we would be together. God is so amazing! God left no room for doubt, and I believe that He can speak just as convincingly to anyone who really seeks Him.

As a young person, you've got a lot of feelings constantly stirring that can make you think you've heard from God. I would advise these young people to seek first the kingdom of God and ask God for answers concerning thier future spouse that they would not be able to doubt. Even when they get the real answer, just use some sense and don't broadcast it to the world. It could make you look dumb and them uncomfortable. If it really is God, follow him into the relationship and let Him work things out in His timing.

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drhumm Jun 13, 2012

This has been going on for a long time and I have to say I have never seen it work out well. If two people are to marry they will BOTH know about it. I have seen several couples marry after receiving one of these words. Both times the person agreed to marry the person with the "word" because they were considered to be more spiritually mature. Both of these marriages crashed and burned. I am sure there is someone out there where this worked but I do not see it to be a very natural coming together. It is also a bad plan to gather opinions on whether you should get married or not. Most people were not positive about my selected mate. We had not known each other long when we got engaged and then married. 33 years later and four children later we are doing rather well. I firmly believe in gifts of prophecy and other gifts of the Spirit but caution the use of them in this area. I cannot tell you how many women told me they were supposed to marry Carmen (the singer).

sermonindex Jun 13, 2012

@waitonGod:

I really liked the story you shared from your own life, man. Thanks for posting it. Made me chuckle a few times.

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Greenlea Jun 17, 2012

Thanks everyone. I really appreciate and am glad that this is not just something that I am experiencing. Your experiences have helped me to have a better take on this.

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