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Martyrdom Is A Sobering Subject by brother Greg

sermonindex Jun 14, 2012

The Christianity of a preacher telling stories and jokes is in many cases far from the true spirit of the apostolic early Church. Could you imagine the Apostle Paul cracking joke in the middle of his exhortation to the Ephesians? Or the Apostle Peter giving a heart-warming story to keep the people interested before he closed his epistle.

The atmosphere of local churches has become very far from what has been prescribed in the New Testament. The serious attitude of having an awe inspiring fear of the Lord has dwindled into a small respect for God. Everything holy has been turned into common. The Bible and Church are on our terms now, as men define what to believe and how to act as the Church. That is a far cry from letting God Himself and the Scriptures 100% dictate to us how to be the church.

Martyrdom is a sobering subject. Maybe it will sober us back to the place where the Church needs to be. The martyr spirit is the spirit of New Testament Christianity. We have to recapture a faith that is worth living for and worth dying for in our day. Christ demands our all in His call for discipleship. If we seek to save our life's we will lose it.

The testing to see if we are walking in "true christianity" is coming soon. When we are spoken of as evil and the scum of the earth we will begin to see who will truly stand for our Lord. There will be a frightful dividing of the wheat and the tares. Persecution has a purifying effect on the body of Christ.

There is a time coming soon that we will wish we had heard more messages of this type. More messages on suffering, martyrdom and the cost of discipleship. It is terrible to be unprepared. And that is what most of the evangelical church is today, sorely unprepared. It is God's grace and mercy to give us a warning cry to wake us up and realize the times we are in.

Believe me when I say this, time is coming soon that you would wish that you heard many more messages of this content and type. Time is coming soon that we all wish we would have much more prepared our faith for the things coming on the earth.

The Bible is filled with the testimonies of martyrs. From Genesis chapter 4 where Abel becomes the first martyr. To the end of the book of Revelation where the last of the martyrs are killed for the testimony of Christ. From the beginning to the end of the book, martyrdom not only is keenly present but overwhelmingly obvious to any reader of the Scriptures.

"Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters, if the world hates you." (1 John 3:13). The Apostle John gives us this exhortation. It should not surprise or startle us in anyway when we are recipients of the fact that the world hates us. When we are on the receiving end of a slander, blasphemy, avoidance or even an violent act we should not be surprised. This world and all of its inhabitants are scandalized by the Gospel and Christ in us. Our light and righteousness speaks of their condemnation. Daily our lives make manifest the fact that they will be judged by God one day.

Hebrews is not only a hall of faith as many call it but it is also a hall of martyrs. "Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. They were put to death by stoning; they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated”” the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground." (Hebrews 11:36-38). This passage along with others should build in us a great sobriety on this subject as we consider those who went on ahead of us in the body of Christ.

Another Passage largely mis-interpreted and overlooked in its context is Romans 8:35-36: "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written: 'For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.'”

Evangelicals quote this passage to speak of the greatness of God's love and surely God's love is great. But sadly we have mis-read and misinterpreted the true meaning of this passage. Paul speaks in this passage of famines, peril and swords! Shall a sword separate us from the love of Christ? Or rather lets put it into modern vernacular, shall a gun pointed at our head separate us from the love of Christ? The answer of course is, No. Nothing will separate us from the love of Christ even when men torture and martyr us for that noble name they will not be able to touch our souls. We are safe in Christ's love. All that men can do to us is destroy this earthly tent, our body we are living in. This was the Apostle Paul's emphasis and point in this passage. Martyrdom is the secret weapon of the church. No one can take away the victory of Christ love on the cross to purchase men for God.

May God continue to build in us a proper respect for those martyrs that have gone on before us in the Church. And to help us realize that the Christianity of the west needs more sobriety in it, a martyr spirit that will proclaim the Gospel at all costs to its culture around it.

sermonindex Jun 15, 2012

"Hebrews is not only a hall of faith as many call it but it is also a hall of martyrs. "Some faced jeers and flogging, and even chains and imprisonment. They were put to death by stoning; they were sawed in two; they were killed by the sword. They went about in sheepskins and goatskins, destitute, persecuted and mistreated— the world was not worthy of them. They wandered in deserts and mountains, living in caves and in holes in the ground." (Hebrews 11:36-38). This passage along with others should build in us a great sobriety on this subject as we consider those who went on ahead of us in the body of Christ. "

Thank you for reminding us why we are here.

sermonindex Jun 15, 2012

In Acts 14:21 Paul and Barnabas encouraged and strenghthened the early believers with these words. We must go through many hardships to enter the kingdom of heaven. Far cry from what we are hearing in our churches today. And these were young believers.

They probably were saying be true to the Lord with all your hearts. Tomorrow you may give your life for him.

Bear.

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lindi1208 Jun 15, 2012

"Martyrdom is a sobering subject. Maybe it will sober us back to the place where the Church needs to be. The martyr spirit is the spirit of New Testament Christianity. We have to recapture a faith that is worth living for and worth dying for in our day. Christ demands our all in His call for discipleship. If we seek to safe our live we will lose it.

The testing to see if we are walking in "true christianity" is coming soon. When we are spoken of as evil and the scum of the earth we will begin to see who will truly stand for our Lord. There will be a frightful dividing of the wheat and the tares. Persecution has a purifying effect on the body of Christ.

There is a time coming soon that we will wish we had heard more messages of this type. More messages on suffering, martyrdom and the cost of discipleship. It is terrible to be unprepared. And that is what most of the evangelical church is today, sorely unprepared. It is God's grace and mercy to give us a warning cry to wake us up and realize the times we are in.

Believe me when I say this, time is coming soon that you would wish that you heard many more messages of this content and type. Time is coming soon that we all wish we would have much more prepared our faith for the things coming on the earth."-Greg Gordon

Thank you brother for this timely exhortation. My heart grieves about what is being preached on the pulpits today. Many are being put into a spirit of slumber by this self centered gospel that promotes the flesh and kills dying to self and losing one's life in order to gain it.

For some reason I have of late been led to text those I know as believers a similar message that we must die to self and that persecution is our portion.

Just two weeks back I had some sisters in Christ spent a weekend at my home and as we were fellowshipping a pastor who is a neighbor came to join us for a meal. During the meal one of the sisters asked about why there is an emphasis on deliverance from all problems believers face. The pastor started to explain how in his exact words " salvation takes there or four minutes and is only just a short process a matter of minutes that does not destroy all curses in your life"!

I was shocked that man can dare to bring the work of the cross so low by stating that Christ did not fully redeem us from our sins and curses! By the grace of God I started to give scripture after scripture to show that this quote above was not true. Eventually I remember talking about how we ought to die to self take up our cross and follow Christ Jesus emphasizing that this is what will help strengthen the believer during the times of persecution. I remember asking what will happen then if all you ever preach is good,happy life trouble free life when persecution arrives will this not be the cause of stumbling for deceived believers?.

The pastor did not stay long after we started talking about suffering and persecution as being part of a believers life. This pastor actually believes that poverty is a curse. My heart is grieving for I see many who look down on the poor and sick and call them cursed. God help us we need a true revival that will teach and prepare us for the time of persecution.

Heavenly Father, we have sinned against you and caused many stumble by our ways. Have mercy on us and help us to be more Christ like, following his example and dying to self. Lord even on that day when we face death we will not be able to stand and profess our faith in you except that you be Our Strength, strengthening us by Your Holy Spirit to face persecution and martyrdom for Your name's sake. Only by your love, mercy and grace alone will we be able to stand. Prepare us Father for that time we look to you Lord to be our strength in Jesus mighty name this we pray amen.

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ET101 Jun 15, 2012

I was wondering how I ought to respond personally in my life to this call to sobriety. I don't have a full answer yet, but this helped me. From 'My utmost for His highest' - Oswald Chambers:

June 8

What's Next To Do?
John 13:17 (Joh_13:17)

Be determined to know more than others. If you yourself do not cut the lines that tie you to the dock, God will have to use a storm to sever them and to send you out to sea. Put everything in your life afloat upon God, going out to sea on the great swelling tide of His purpose, and your eyes will be opened. If you believe in Jesus, you are not to spend all your time in the calm waters just inside the harbor, full of joy, but always tied to the dock. You have to get out past the harbor into the great depths of God, and begin to know things for yourself --- begin to have spiritual discernment.

When you know that you should do something and you do it, immediately you know more. Examine where you have become sluggish, where you began losing interest spiritually, and you will find that it goes back to a point where you did not do something you knew you should do. You did not do it because there seemed to be no immediate call to do it. But now you have no insight or discernment, and at a time of crisis you are spiritually distracted instead of spiritually self-controlled. It is a dangerous thing to refuse to continue learning and knowing more.

The counterfeit of obedience is a state of mind in which you create your own opportunities to sacrifice yourself, and your zeal and enthusiasm are mistaken for discernment. It is easier to sacrifice yourself than to fulfill your spiritual destiny, which is stated in (Rom_12:1-2). It is much better to fulfill the purpose of God in your life by discerning His will than it is to perform great acts of self-sacrifice. "Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice . . ." (1Sa_15:22). Beware of paying attention or going back to what you once were, when God wants you to be something that you have never been. "If anyone wills to do His will, he shall know . . ." (Joh_7:17).

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pilgrim777 Jun 15, 2012

The Christianity of a preacher telling stories and jokes is in many cases far from the true spirit of the apostolic early Church. Could you imagine the Apostle Paul cracking joke in the middle of his exhortation to the Ephesians? Or the Apostle Peter giving a heart-warming story to keep the people interested before he closed his epistle.

That's one thing I appreciate about Milt Green. No jokes, no stories. He started off one of his messages like this: "Well, I don't know any jokes, so let's get started."

The atmosphere of local churches has become very far from what has been prescribed in the New Testament. The serious attitude of having an awe inspiring fear of the Lord has dwindled into a small respect for God.

God is actually using the carnival/circus atmosphere in "churches" to wake people up so they can hear Him say, "Come out".

The testing to see if we are walking in "true christianity" is coming soon.

What is even more sobering is, if we are walking in "true christianity" now, where is the testing?

The Bible is filled with the testimonies of martyrs. From Genesis chapter 4 where Abel becomes the first martyr. To the end of the book of Revelation where the last of the martyrs are killed for the testimony of Christ. From the beginning to the end of the book, martyrdom not only is keenly present but overwhelmingly obvious to any reader of the Scriptures.

And most all of the prophets and men of God were killed by religionists. Sure the world will persecute the Saints, but religion has always employed the world to do their dirty work. (eg. Pharisees - Romans).

Mat 23:37-38 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Jerusalem below is fleshly and religious.

This world and all of its inhabitants are scandalized by the Gospel and Christ in us.

Excuse me if I keep reiterating that the religious system is scandalized by the true Gospel.

Pilgrim

sermonindex Jun 15, 2012

It is my understanding the word martyr in the Greek means witness. We have all been called to be witnesses. Even to the point of laying down our lives.

When Jesus told his hearers that they must take up their cross to follow him. The Jews knew that Jesus was telling them to come and die. The Romans who occupied Israel left crosses with criminals nailed to them dotting the countryside. The Romans perfected crucifixion to an agonizing painful death. Crosses were left up as examples of Roman justice. So the Jews knew exactly what Jesus meant when he spoke of carrying one's cross. Condemned carried their cross to the place of execution.

Often we apply these verses in a spiritual sense as crucifying the old nature. But I wonder if Jesus was not implying come and be my witness. Come and be martyred.

I believe it was Bonhoffer who said that when Christ bids a man to come to him. He bids him to come and die. Thus we are called to be martyrs. This Is the cost of discipleship.

Bear.

sermonindex Jun 15, 2012

"The Christianity of a preacher telling stories and jokes is in many cases far from the true spirit of the apostolic early Church. Could you imagine the Apostle Paul cracking joke in the middle of his exhortation to the Ephesians? Or the Apostle Peter giving a heart-warming story to keep the people interested before he closed his epistle."

.....but it's OK to tell jokes if you're Leonard Ravenhill though?

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/scr_index.php?act=topicSermons&topic=Ravenhill%20Humor&page=0

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pilgrim777 Jun 15, 2012

I think, lest we go off the "deep-end", that it is ok to be human and tell "heart-warming" stories if you are led by the Spirit. We should differentiate between habitual jokesters who use jokes and stories as a means of luring your hearts. That's repugnant to me. To tell a story that may serve as an analogy for what you are talking about may help you communicate your message.

Pilgrim

sermonindex Jul 1, 2012


In light of the upcoming conference on persecution: http://sermonindex2012.eventbrite.ca/

I felt this video by Corrie Ten Boom could be helpful to many:

Corrie Ten Boom, on Tribulation and Persecution
https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/myvideo/photo.php?lid=3014

sermonindex Jul 1, 2012

I agree with all of your words brother Greg. We must be able to embrace the God that would and could call us to Martyrdom. Now, one may never be called to actually be martyred, but can we modern western Christians really say that we could rejoice to be counted worthy to suffer for Jesus after being flogged? Its that attitude, that Spirit that is missing, perhaps that is the oil that is missing from the lamps of the five virgins amd of course when the trump sounds its too late to " purchase," that oil.........bro Frank

sermonindex Jul 1, 2012

I believe we need to follow The LORD's Time Table on what is to come.

He gave a 'chronological' order of how events will come and we must get through all that may very well precede actual persecution and martyrdom.

We need to read the events first of 7 Seals and also see that Jesus spoke chronologically also in Matthew 24 - as each verse begins with a "conjunction" just as the verses through-out The Revelation do.

We may live through wars, riots, famine, Hyper-inflation, pestilences before the persecution and those things are just as 'trying' as any persecution will be and we must be ready in every sense of that word to get through what the Seals speak of - and these verses - to the closing of Matt 24 as well -

Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Mat 24:9 'Then' shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Mat 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Mat 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

sermonindex Jul 1, 2012

I was thinking about the words of Jesus. He said do not worry about what to say when they arrest you. For your Father will tell you what to say at that very hour. Ultimately God will give us the grace to endure when martyrdom does cone.

Bearmaster.

sermonindex Jul 1, 2012

Saints we may want to avail ourselves to some if the audio sermons on martyrdom Greg has put out on this site. I went browsing under search key martyrdom. Good stuff out there. Even by Tozer. We are blessed to have access to it.

Greg thank you for putting this stuff online. This site may be more of an encouragement to the persecuted before everything said and done.

Bear.

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InTheLight Jul 1, 2012

Saints we may want to avail ourselves to some if the audio sermons on martyrdom Greg has put out on this site.

There is an excellent series of messages given at a missions conference by Josef Tson that cover various aspects of the theology of martyrdom, I highly recommend listening to them, here is a link to the first message of the series;

https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/mydownloads/visit.php?lid=11439

In Christ,

Ron

sermonindex Jul 1, 2012

I certainly want to listen to those. If memory serves I believe this brother was a contemporary, even a fellow prisoner with Richard Wormbrandt.

I just listened to a message by Denny Kenniston on The Coming Wave of Persrcution. It is on this site. I do not know how to get the link up but the message can no doubt be found by a search protocal for that title. He does focus on persecution coming to America. Very good to listen to.

Bear.

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