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Christians Living like the Devil

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rbanks Jun 19, 2012

Edited: more correct title would be “Christians living like Sinners”

Why aren’t there more sincere spiritual Christians in the USA? Why are there so many people who call themselves Christians but have no real fear of God to depart from every form of evil? Why are there some people who say and believe they are Christians but still practice the works of the flesh that the scripture teaches us that these people shall not inherit the kingdom of God?

Do you have any insight on the “why” of so many who proclaim to be Christians but are not truly living like the bible teaches them to live?

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ald0025 Jun 19, 2012

The reason is that they aren't really born again. I can attest to this personally, I thought I was saved because I repeated some sinner prayer and went to Church, but I lived liked the world. The problem also is the preaching in the pulpit, preaching this false grace, such as ask Jesus to come into your heart and if you do that you are saved, they forgot to leave about repentance, turning from your sin, the cross of Christ, and the costs of being of Christian. One of the biggest lies I have seen the devil use is that since you are in the grace you can sin, because God will always forgive you no matter what. So people just have a sin and ask God for forgiveness cycle, I did for many years, but I was eventually shown the truth through the grace of God.

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rbanks Jun 19, 2012

Thanks ald0025 for your reply! I agree somewhat with what you are saying but I have seen people who have repented and also have an experience with God but some how later in life start justifying things they use to believe was not to be a part of the christian life. I have seen others struggle with sin but then justify it as a weakness and still go on and practice the sin from time to time while still proclaiming and practicing a christian life also.

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ald0025 Jun 19, 2012

I know what you are saying, I know some people that were on fire for God and were living a holy life, but then backslide into sin. Like you said above, they did have an experience with God and were saved, but now are living like the world for the most part. I remember from the Call to Anguish sermon by David Wilkerson, he was saying, all the devil wants to do is take the fight out of you so you won't labor in pray anymore and read the bible. Basically people have become saturated with the world again, I was reading Galatians today and it talks about a constant battle between the Spirit and the flesh. I believe that people who are backsliding are being overcome by the flesh and are now satisfying the lust and desire of it. They minds are being duller each day, thats why each day we must be sober, alert, and fervent in the Spirit. For my previous post, I was addressing the younger crowd in Christianity, like teenagers and people in their 20's.

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MrBillPro Jun 19, 2012

So are you saying that Christians not living like you, are living like the Devil? Is this a sincere scream from the mountaintop? or are you beating your chest? I have never in my life see so many Christians, that worry so much about other Christians, when they should be out Preaching the Gospel, and bringing in the lost sheep. There is no such thing as a "TRUE" Christian or rather, a Christian who is better than another Christian. Anyone who judges another person, accusing them of not being a "true" Christian, is himself engaging in behavior that is not behavior a "true" Christian should be engaging in: Judging someone else. Just my two cents. Have a Blessed evening, unless you have other plans.

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Areadymind Jun 19, 2012

"And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."

-Matthew 24:12

sermonindex Jun 19, 2012

"And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."

-Matthew 24:12

I would agree that this sums it up pretty well. We're in those times.

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rbanks Jun 19, 2012

Amen brother ald0025 and areadymind! I believe this scripture brings some light in Hebrews 2:1 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip.
2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
3 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

We must not allow ourselves to slip away from giving more earnest heed to the word of God which we have heard and continue to hear. We must not neglect the “so great salvation” because it is the only way of escape from the fleshly sins. This is not talking about, as some would say, getting saved but this is talking about our salvation experience. We are not to neglect the whole salvation experience until we are finally saved and presented to the Lord. It is like a garden growing fruit that you must keep the weeds out by not neglecting to plow it and keep it clean so that fruit will grow. We must put off the old man and put on the new man. We must put on the Lord Jesus Christ and make not provision for the flesh to fulfill the lust thereof. We must deny ourselves daily and take up the cross. We must walk in the Spirit so that we will not fulfill the lusts thereof. We are to cleanse ourselves of all filthiness of the flesh and spirit perfecting holiness in the fear of God. So many neglect to do these things and lose their fear and love for God.

Our only hope is for God to convict us and stir us to the reality of where we are spiritually in the Lord. That somehow He might get our attention and to awaken us by the Holy Spirit through hearing the anointed Word of God by someone or some means. We must pray for others to be awakened to the things of God. It will be the difference of life or death for so many.

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MrBillPro Jun 19, 2012

Not everyone accepts Jesus Christ into their lives, then is Baptized in the Holy Spirit, catches fire and never looks back. Unless someone knows the status of all Christians walk, it’s very unfair to judge. Some Christians are still under construction, give God a little time to get them fixed, after all it took the most powerful man in the Heavens/Universe, 6 days to fix the world the way he wanted it.

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rbanks Jun 19, 2012

Bless you MrBillPro!

Only those with a shepherd’s heart are truly concerned for the sheep.

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brothagary Jun 19, 2012

r banks ,theres probably a group of reasons for this

many are not bornagain ,,they have been called and drawn by the spirit ,,but have never repentented and experenced a new birth
probaly due to a watered down gosple, preached and witnessed by others in the same condition,and others in a state that would be not concidered anointed

another reason ,, would be many of the people you see in the churches ,are truly born again ,,,,but have not givern them selfs over to the holy spirit in submission ,whery by they may expermentily know the power of the cross ,which leds to the death of selfs ,,truly knowing and experancing what it means to have died with christ

they have never offered there bodies as a living sacrfice upon the atler of the cross ,to experance the death of the sacrifice ,by the sword of the spirit ,,whey by the work of the high priest to cut into the devision of the soul and spirit a sunder ,beomes a practical revorlatouy experance ,

so these people never find a full victory of soulish desires ,and waver in and out of the spirit

that probable constautes most of the problem

other people have recieved another spirit and are suduced and decieved under its power and doctrines

it is the fulfilling of bible prophecy brother

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MrBillPro Jun 19, 2012

I hope you get all the sheep fixed, I personally let the Lord the greatest shepherd ever, fix me, not man. I probably am not going to say anything to help your endeavor here, I only see this going south, so I wish you the best, but little advise "I am not asking you to take" give the greatest shepherd a chance, he does a pretty good job, then if he can't fix them, I am sure he will call you.
God Bless!
Mr. Bill

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rbanks Jun 19, 2012

Thanks for the good insight from so many! I kind of wish now that I had of titled this thread “Christians Living like Sinners” because that would be more of an adequate title.

I believe Christians should be working out their own salvation with fear and trembling because it is God who desires to work in them both to will and to do of His good pleasure.

Brethren we know from the scriptures that God does not want us to live like sinners because he has called us to be saints in the Lord.

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ald0025 Jun 19, 2012

I won't say that this is judging people, but rather observing how people can go from living a holy life to living like a carnal man again. This is a real thing that happens, such as king saul. Also the spiritual man judges all things. I believe the poster was referring to Christians that live like the devil and are in constant habitual sin. Paul states it best in Galatains " But now that you have come to know God or rather to be known by God, how is it that you turn back again to the weak and worthless elemental things to which you desire to be enslaved all over again?" " I FEAR for you, that perhaps I have labored over you in vain" Paul is pleading with these people.

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rbanks Jun 19, 2012

Amen ald0025! God Bless you brother for your understanding!

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MrBillPro Jun 19, 2012

You know, the whole secular world beats up our good Brothers and Sisters enough everyday, we of all people should be helping support them. Not one of us walks straight up, we all lean a bit, if you see a Brother or Sister leaning, go let him/her put his/her arm over your shoulder, and walk with them, talk with them and Love them. I know folks that post threads like this really don't mean any harm, but you might be shocked on the kind of harm and confusion this might cause a Brother or Sister trying to help themselves. Look around, same sex marriage, washington's gone crazy, drugs out of control, little innocent children being molested or killed everyday, the worlds gone crazy! the world is hitting our Brothers and Sisters with a right hook, and were hitting them with a left. If we don't wake up and start loving and helping and supporting our Brothers and Sisters in Christ, who will? iron sharpens iron.

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proudpapa Jun 19, 2012

Amen

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rbanks Jun 19, 2012

Amen MrBill Pro "iron sharpens iron" that is what this thread is all about. I have condemn no one. I have only asked "why" and does anyone have any insight.

The horrible things that you mention in your last post Bill are being committed by some people who call themselves Christians. All I'm asking is "why" and also praying for many to wake up. Do you not realize that many people that call themselves Christians in many american churches are committing sin willfully on a daily basis and the apostle John said that he who commits willful sin is of the devil.

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proudpapa Jun 19, 2012

rbanks, I have have seen men do an absolute 360 almost over night. There personality there Goals there convictions everything change almost overnight. I have no idea what is going on, It is terrible When you know some one and than you have no idea who they are. I understand exactly what MrBill Pro is saying but I also understand exactly what you are saying.

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Areadymind Jun 19, 2012

Far be it from me to contribute to a thread that “goes downhill,” but I am compelled to, as is my habit, to post a rather long-winded thread.

I have discovered a disturbing trend in my walk as a Christian. It has to do with the fact that as I grow, I look back on where I was and am often repulsed by where I had been that I had, at the time, perceived to be spiritual. It seems to me that having our minds “renewed” as we are transformed unto the mind of Christ is a rather messy operation. I often have wondered why it does not seem to happen for me over night, and it is simply because I cannot, in any way, handle it. So I find myself, ever so incrementally growing and transforming, just like my daughter is physically growing every day. (There are even times where the growth is so imperceptible for such lengths of time it is frustrating.) I cannot give her a driver’s license because she cannot even tie her shoes very well yet. But she is four years old, and I can give her art supplies and she writes cards for people...thank you cards, kind notes, thoughtful little things. I can only entrust her with the responsibilities she is capable of handling.

A number of years ago, the Lord was very gracious with me, and pulled me from the life of being a habitually lascivious grace hacker. I thought I could cheat God of his grace because he was under obligation to give it. In many ways, I was like my daughter; I had very limited scope of vision concerning my inheritance and or Christ’s potential in my life. Just as she has no idea what responsibilities she will some day be forced to grow into, though we try hard to prepare her. I had no idea what grace was capable of doing beyond keeping the flames of hell off my feet. What separates my daughter and me? Chromosomally and chemically speaking, we are not so different; we are the same species, even the same family we even share a strong resemblance (surprise.) Is it age that fundamentally separates us? Maybe in a sense, but the other day I spoke with a 40 year old man who was no older than my daughter in maturity...granted his mind is broken, and he is physically disabled, but he acts as a foil for the concept of the child trapped in men’s bodies all over the world as it were.

One area where growth has been harder and slower, dawning yet veiled behind broken clouds, only occasionally revealing a faint nimbus of light, is my understanding of sin. Or “iniquity” as our Lord called it. Some of my attitudes toward “it” or proponents of “it,” have been where there has been both victory and shame for me.

When I finally saw my own sin in all of its coiled danger, waiting and crouching...seeking to destroy me, I cried out to God for a sanctifying solution. He began to teach me to walk in the Spirit, but still being far from “whole” sanctification (otherwise known as glorification), I began to develop a judgmental attitude toward people in sin, a.k.a. brothers and sisters who did not seem to live up to the bar as it were. Then I started trying to find a source for the deception to blame, and I looked to my own past and thought I had discovered the fault in others...I began to hate sin, as I ought...but I was slightly off. I hated it in the wrong way, not only that but I discovered my own willful self-deception. I don’t think I hated it (sin) the way the Lord did. There was something too, I don’t know, human in it all.

Then it was about a year ago that the Lord opened a passage of scripture for me with Revelation that helped me to see things the way he did. Sure it is not perfect sight, but it is better than the sight I had before.

I had to study Leviticus 26 for a particular purpose, and in doing so, the nimbus of light began to dawn upon my mind with greater frequency and intensity. You see, Leviticus 26 is the chapter of Blessings and Cursings. Being forced to study the Old Testament a lot in the last year or two has brought me to the conclusion that this chapter is far more significant in its impact concerning the thematic of the O.T. than I had ever known before. I have started to see the implications of it weaving through story after story from Numbers to Malachi.

Basically the chapter can be divided into two themes...walk in Gods ways and be blessed, turn your back on his ways, and God would become as an adversary to you (if you were within the scope of the mosaic covenant.) At first it seemed like just another chapter in Leviticus, which if we are all honest...we are pretty bored with as gentiles. As I read it over and over, I began, not to see it as law per se, but as God’s heart. I started seeing the way the Lord views sin. There is no distinction between our sin, and God’s necessity to destroy it. Not only is it reprehensible to him, but it is, by its very nature purely destructive. All throughout the O.T. now I see God’s pleading heart, it is as if he begs his people time and time again to throw off the shackles of sin and iniquity, because it is not only against his will, but it is purely self-destructive. He hates it, not with an arbitrary, despotic attitude, but rather his heart is the heart of a Father. He really seems to desire to bless his people, it is us that choose to walk in the absence of blessing because we choose to drink from filthy cracked cisterns which hold no water.

If you diagram the chapter you discover that for every blessing offered to Israel for walking in God’s ways, there was an exact opposite cursing for failing to do so. All throughout the old covenant, God’s heart pleads and pleads with his people to turn from their wicked ways. He pleads with the voice of his prophets to the point of the near dissolution of his people...to the point that where every glimmer of hope has almost vanished and God utters in Ezekiel that he was finally at last going to make a new covenant with Israel, and HE would CAUSE them to walk in His ways...

You can hear this angst from God when he weeps over Jerusalem, “O you that stone the prophets...how I would have gathered you under my wings as a hen gathers her chicks.”

We can focus on the problem...and fail to hear God’s heart about it. If I am not careful, I will be swept under the tide of iniquity in our world that rises higher and swifter than any tsunami ever attained to, simply by having the wrong attitude toward it all.

A simple warning to not let our love grow cold cannot, in any way be “going downhill” brothers. Jesus saw fit to warn us. He gave us a clue as to how to avoid the tsunami as it were. He has offered us a tree to climb, a lifeline straight from the throne of grace. We must learn to stoke the fires of love in our lives, overcome evil with good. We will be unable to look out over the entire world and not grow intimidated or even grieved as rbanks is.

A number of years ago, my wife admonished me that we need to, above almost every thing; begin praying that God shows us how to not let our love grow cold. Please join us brothers and sisters, in praying this for all of our lives. And please be salt and light in every relationship that you have. Do not be overcome with the evil you see, but please grow in an attitude that desires to “strengthen what remains.” Please:

Pump with zeal and fervency the bellows
Let not down, each one your fellows
Lose not flavor lest trampled ye be
Pray in His name with two or with three...

Exhort ye daily and daily be exhorted
Lest the spirit of Demas leave thee extorted
Communion not with Diotrophes keep
Least love grow cold and faith slump in sleep

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