Rush on Chick-fil-A: The target is Christianity

I have to strongly agree with Bearmaster. Rush Limbaugh is a "god" in my home....his 3-hour radio show plays out loud during the waking hours here....YES - MUCH OF WHAT HE SAYS IS TRUE and accurate.....HOWEVER he is an angry, foul-mouthed man without the Lord. He is fighting the wrong battle of conservatism rather than Christ, and he has a considerable following. Psalm 1 tells us as believers NOT to walk in the counsel of the ungodly.....Radio talk shows are such a sneaky and crafty deception of the enemy as I see it....I believe revival praying must include prayer against such deception which seems "good" to the masses....

Bearmaster,

You stated

But this man has spoken out time and time again against the followers of Christ

I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with you in this post. I am however requesting that you give specific places , links, documentation, and proof as to the accusation you have made.

If you can not produce the documentation and proof of those things you accuse then you should retract your statement and apologize for it.

Unsubstantiated attacks on people are character slander at best.

Again, you may have those specific links, details, and references. If so then plain old fashion manners and character demand that you include those in your post. If you do not already have them then you should totally refrain from attacking another person.

I have not listened to a Rush program in probably 5 years or so. However, did you notice the quote that the original post included.. let me reemphasize...

Rush stated

the ongoing national dispute over Chick-fil-A’s stance for biblically based marriage is nothing short of an attack on Christianity as a whole.
“Now Christianity has to be banned, and that’s where this is all headed,” Limbaugh said this afternoon on his top-rated program. “All this stuff at Chick-fil-A, the target is Christianity, not Chick-fil-A. The target is freedom of religion.

That is perhaps the most concise and accurate assessment of the situation I have seen or heard. Do you really feel justified to attack someone shining the light of reality on that situation? I certainly see no attack on Christianity there by Rush. I see a defense of it and a attempt to help others see these things as they are... rooted in a spiritual struggle. The realty is that there are forces that attempt to remove expressions of faith in Christ from the marketplace of life. Rush does not in any way appear to be one of those. He is shining the lights on what the evil doers are attempting. A lot more light onto the truth than many who claim to be so "discerning".

Of course if we are busy attacking other people that disagree with us we probably won't have time to consider that.

-edited for clarity and additional thoughts-

Solomon,

You stated that you have not listened to Rush Limbaugh in probably 5 years....I believe if you listened to him on a daily basis you would see the subtleties....as I said in my post, much of what he says is true. He DID clearly state that the Chick-Fil-A thing was about an attack on Christianity...that is true, but if you also see that his cause is against the attack on "freedom of religion"...it is a political cause.....I am sorry, but my husband has asked me to listen to him many times.....he is not talking about born-again Christianity, he is talking about "religion"....there is a distinct difference....

Bearmaster,

You said to me

You say I am slandering Rush Limbaugh

I said no such thing. I did say

I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with you in this post. I am however requesting that you give specific places , links, documentation, and proof as to the accusation you have made.

If you can not produce the documentation and proof of those things you accuse then you should retract your statement and apologize for it.

Unsubstantiated attacks on people are character slander at best.

So...I am only calling it "slander" if you are accusing people with no documentation, proof, or evidence to put forth except you say so. If all you have to show is a couple of people with "I say it is so" ,but no actual proof, links, or evidence.... then yes, that by definition is to "slander someone" when speaking ill of them as you have.

So... if you have actual proof then please present it. Otherwise it would be slander and should be kept to yourself until such a time as you might actually have any proof other than an opinion.

You would be furious if others accused you with nothing but their opinions. You would ask where the proof was... when and where did you say such a thing. Friend...you are to treat others AS you want them to treat you. So.. do it.

You will of course do as you see fit. We all do. However, the testimony of those who follow Christ is so looked down upon by those who do not know Him for these very reasons. Very often the doors to the hearts of the unsaved are locked to us and our testimony... and for one reason.... we have locked their hearts ourselves by infighting and slander. Our fighting in the Church is the primary cause the unsaved reject Christ...WE lock the doors and break the key off in the latch.. all because we what to launch an assault on someone who may disagree over a political or small theological matter.

Praying for revival is useless unless we are willing to have the commitment to walk in unity and humility. Why? Because God resists (stands against) the proud. That often means putting theological or political differences aside and agreeing to have unity on the essentials and letting everything else go to personal conscience.

How in the world do we think Wesley and Whitefield, who were a good bit different theologically, were able to do the things they did? Toward the latter part they expressed deep love and commitment to each other. Would to God I could see that today!

If we have time to knit pick others theology and politics then we had more than enough time to go pray. Words I believe... and will try to apply more diligently.

Blessings brother. All spoken in love. My only passionate posts on SI come when others are attacked without evidence or when I now the "proof" given was actually different that what was presented. I suppose I feel this way here. I apologize if it comes on strong...however, it is important truth.

Blessings!

How is it pride to call the saints to be discerning??

One cannot quote Rush Limbaugh on this forum...he is full of sexual inuendos, and uses the word "hell" without understanding....

It is not attacking Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck or Mitt Romney to say that they are not born-again. It is not prideful to call Christians to be discerning - it is LOVE.

And in LOVE, we should be praying for the salvation of these men, just like we pray for Barack Obama. And how is it wrong to pray for revival and call the worship of political ideology a deception of the enemy?? It is sin, I believe, if we as believers fall into it....and yes - pride is also sin....

by HezWelling on 2012/8/7 5:56:27

oh please! there are at least 2 dozen major global chess pieces in motion, and THIS is what folks have been going ON AND ON AND ON about?

a fast food resturant?

no wonder the north american Church is so limp and impotent, and the 'spokesmen'...self annointed with their well paying radio/tv gigs are a hate filled drug fiend, and a hell bound mormon?....and THATS your counsel?

i REALLY dont believe the majority of posters here have any idea what is coming down the pike, God has been watching, and He is furious, more with those who KNOW better, and claim Jesus as Lord....yet stink of the world.

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Neil

I was wondering if I might ask you a question? Do you still feel led to be involved in politics at all? I know at one time you were a supporter of President Obama but I wondered if GOD has shown you anything different, not necessarily about voting for one man over the other but in the process it self?

I hope you don't mind me asking this questions, I know it is off topic but I have wondered about it for some time now. Of course you do not have to answer this question it is just my curiosity :)

I don't vote myself(you may remember that) I do see some of those chess pieces on the board that you mentioned but will admit I do not understand it all. I think there is much in the news that is being pushed to the headlines as a way of deflecting from what really is going on. I told my DH its almost like while we are all running around upset about one thing or another the real danger is sneaking up behind us and one morning we will wake up to some really shocking news and wonder when did this happen...

God bless and nice to see you posting again
Maryjane

I don't have time to respond to all of these side bar issues that have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic. Although I really want to as some are so out there. Anywayzzz...

Let me return it neat, clear, and clean to my one and only actual point.

Bearmaster said

But this man has spoken out time and time again against the followers of Christ.

I said if you make that accusation against a person you have a responsibility to give the evidence, links, or proof of it. As a Christian you can't just throw that at people with no proof whatsoever.

Apparently many here disagree with me as that is the only issue I raised and it is completely dodged.

So...I take my leave of this thread. If you can of good conscience think that to accuse people of, "speaking time and time again against the followers of Christ" ,without a shred of evidence to back those accusations, then by all means.. carry on with that ethical standard for your life...I guess.

Bearmaster..or any others..as you have accused a person of

this man has spoken out time and time again against the followers of Christ

Carry on.... as I am sadly certain some will.

Solomon101 wrote:I said if you make that accusation against a person you have a responsibility to give the evidence, links, or proof of it. As a Christian you can't just throw that at people with no proof whatsoever.
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I am one who took the thread off topic, sorry if I upset anyone with my post it was not my intent. I have not listened to Rush show in years, and when I did listen it was very seldom but in that time that I did hear him speak I have not heard him speak against Christians or say anything that could be consider as speaking against Christians. I do wonder if some of the current headlines are there for no other reason then to deflect from much more serious things happening while many are unaware...but that is another thread perhaps for another day :)

God Bless
mj

Personally, I do not see that Greg is giving approval of Limbaugh's radio program per se, but merely pointing out that here is a secular radio broadcaster who is seeing the same things we Christians have been saying for a long time. And then how is it that if secular folks see this issue coming down the pike but Christians are blind to it?

This is my perception of Greg's reasoning behind this OP. Quoting him in no ways endorses his philosophy. At least this is the way I understood it before reading the responses.

In the past I have listened to Rush a lot when we could get him on the radio, yes, Rush and Dr. Laura. I have learned a lot from listening to Dr. Laura as I did Rush. But this in no way meant I endorse them. I know what it does to a person who listens to them religiously - it ain't healthy spiritually. But I would listen to them occasionally just like I would read a secular columnist. This is all they are, secular. It does one good to have a faint idea how their minds work so we may be aware what we are up against when we talk with the public.

My opinion.

I agree ginnyrose - I didn't take it that Greg was endorsing Limbaugh just pointing out an article...

I'm sure it was never intended to start the big fight that it has...

MaryJane questioned:

"a fast food resturant?"

But ouvcyouerrrs ("of course" in French dialect)!

(1) Fast = Instant gratification

(2) Food = Essential to ongoing cell growth

(3) Obamacare = Combine option #1 AND #2 into a "Compound Word" (and then, if you're really bored...use it to illustrate a basic "algebraic law")

Put it all together and you have...

...the most subtle and powerful attack on a major world religion since, I dunno, the "poppyseed".

Yes, as a recovering conspiracy theorist and cynic, there is a connection here, saints.

I have no political perspective to withhold here, for "Christ is Lord, to The Glory of The Father" - but in the meantime...yes, Christian persecution is going to infect the North American waters at some point and unfortunately, the Golden Arches will not be going down with us.

Chick-fil-A was always a rebel with a cause in the Fast Food chain. McDonalds has always been fiercely envious of their "waffle fries" recipe, which have slowly over time undermined the opiate dependency power of their "french fries" like the 1st century Christians did to the Roman empire.

What I am saying here, is, have we not seen this coming? Do we really expect a Christian fast food chain to survive what is to come?

Love-in-Christ,

KP

by IssacharSon on 2012/8/7 6:58:27

MaryJane questioned:

"a fast food resturant?"

But ouvcyouerrrs ("of course" in French dialect)!

(1) Fast = Instant gratification

(2) Food = Essential to ongoing cell growth

(3) Obamacare = Combine option #1 AND #2 into a "Compound Word" (and then, if you're really bored...use it to illustrate a basic "algebraic law")

Put it all together and you have...

...the most subtle and powerful attack on a major world religion since, I dunno, the "poppyseed".

Yes, as a recovering conspiracy theorist and cynic, there is a connection here, saints.

I have no political perspective to withhold here, for "Christ is Lord, to The Glory of The Father" - but in the meantime...yes, Christian persecution is going to infect the North American waters at some point and unfortunately, the Golden Arches will not be going down with us.

Chick-fil-A was always a rebel with a cause in the Fast Food chain. McDonalds has always been fiercely envious of their "waffle fries" recipe, which have slowly over time undermined the opiate dependency power of their "french fries" like the 1st century Christians did to the Roman empire.

What I am saying here, is, have we not seen this coming? Do we really expect a Christian fast food chain to survive what is to come?

Love-in-Christ,

KP
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KP I am feeling a bit under the weather today so my head is foggy but I don't recall questioning anything about the fast food chain. I was just saying that there are a lot of news articles in the headlines that seem to be there to keep our attention off of other things. Things happening with Russia, Syria, Israel, and even here in the United States, like the economy, the droughts that will impact food cost and supply, the job less rates. This is just my opinion which means nothing truly :) I am sorry I don't understand your post if you don't mind what is it you were trying to say to me??

God Bless
maryjane

Edit: I think you attributed Neil quote as coming from me by mistake :) He was the one questioning the fast food restaurant. In my response to him I quoted what he wrote.

There is one more thing about Rush.

He knows that if Christians are silenced, when they can no longer speak out on what they believe to be right or wrong, he could not either. He knows which side his bread is buttered on.

The freedom to speak one's mind is one treasured by most Americans. Conservative Americans relish this right. Liberals like it as long as people agree with them but hate it when people contradict them - this just is the reality.

What does this have to do with a body exercising his faith? A lot. You should know that - the freedom to speak on perversion is being challenged, called hate speech - but never mind them calling Christians bigots or worse, that is not hate speech, you know. Now go figure, if you can.

In any case, this is what Rush sees and understands. When Christians will be silenced it won't be only us it will include a host of others. No dissent will be allowed, speech will be censored.

Is this idea not one that has been lamented on here frequently? Sure it has, so why do you not give Rush the liberty to say the same thing?