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Coming Persecution...and turning the other cheek

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MaryJane Aug 11, 2012

In terms of coming persecution, I know there are many who have or feel the LORD pressing on their hearts that it is upon us or about to be in a very real way. I have been in prayer about this myself and I wonder will we be able to pray for and love those who may be causing us to suffer pains and sorrows? We are told to love our enemies, we are told to turn the other cheek, I wonder if in our desire to prepare for coming trails, tribulations, and persecution would it not be wise to pray and ask GOD to help us love our enemies as CHRIST did. As I think about these things I can't help but consider will I be able to look at my aggressor and pray for their salvation? Will I be able to forgive those who seek to kill and destroy all that I hold dear in CHRIST JESUS...I realize I will only know the answer to some of these questions when or if these circumstances come in my lifetime but still I pray. I know that HE will do the work in my heart that needs be done in HIS timing. I am praying for the lost to see their need for CHRIST more then ever. There was a time when the idea of persecution caused me great fear and worry, but each day as I walk with the LORD, each day that I cling to HIM I realize that the ones who will suffer most are those who will be lost for all eternity. Our time here is but a flash, a moment in time but for those who reject CHRIST, for the lost who live in rebellion if they continue on that road and their time here comes to an end they will suffer forever...

God bless
mj

sermonindex Aug 11, 2012

Dear Sister,

Excellent post, this is really the heart of the matter and the true way Christians will endure these times, can we love our persecutors with the love of Christ.

May God give us the grace daily to love those who ridicule, oppose, or even malign us for the Name and Gospel of Christ.

sermonindex Aug 11, 2012

Indeed MaryJane has raised some precious truth. God grant hat we can love our enemies, even those who would despise and hate us. God grant that we would have the attitude of Jesus and Stephen. That we would ask God to forgive them.

Bearmaster.

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learn Aug 11, 2012

Believe me MaryJane you will.

sermonindex Aug 11, 2012

Amen MJ. Our greatest challenge these days is to render not evil for evil. When we are ridiculed do we ridicule back? When we are threatened, do we threaten back? All of these things the flesh rages against, yet we have our example in Jesus. "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do." Now this is strength, this is being strong in the Lord. This is battling not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers. If these evils are to be exposed and judged, they must stand alone, we must be as lambs to the slaughter knowing that all things are in His hands.................bro Frank

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learn Aug 11, 2012

Edit: decide to post the swermon in articles and sermons section and to change it to sermonindex youtube channel. Sorry about not using sermonindex channel earlier

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Compton Aug 11, 2012

Maybe we could practice in this forum.

Just sayin'...

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IssacharSon Aug 12, 2012

Yes, MJ!

This is why it would be fruitless to boycott Richard Dawkins, yet more to God's glory to instead, pray for his salvation in Christ.

The way Christians respond to their persecutors is what distinguishes us from our enemies. We love our enemies and we love our neighbors as we do ourselves. We are a most peculiar people, saints!

The SI Moderator started a thread about "Hell"! I cannot think of anymore sad and hurtful than to imagine someone in eternal torment. It is halfway Hell just to know that another human being dwells in such a place. And it is not God's will that any should perish, yet we do...man wills it and God respects man's will (why?).

This Christian love for our persecutors is the same love which tempers judgement of others. But for God's grace, His Son, Word and Holy Spirit, I could be a persecutor of Christians.

Afterall, look what can happen when a persecutor of Christians is loved and prayed for: A Saul of Tarsus becomes a Paul!

Oh, that more of our persecutors could be loved and prayed for!

Love-in-Christ,

KP

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Koheleth Aug 13, 2012

Mary Jane, this post is a real blessing. God is love and if we become like God, we will love also. Jesus said that one who is faithful in little is also faithful in much. We can know how we will respond to those who are greatly against us by measuring how we respond now to those in our homes and our churches. This is often the ground God uses to grow us and prepare us for what is to come later, whatever that is. May we all grow in the grace and in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Then, we shall be ready for anything.

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Elibeth Aug 13, 2012

Mary Jane,

We try to have a meeting in our home about once a week,...sometimes
On Saturday, sometimes on Sundays .
This Saturday we were discussing,among other things,some of what
You are talking about,....when tribulation,trials,persecussions,hard times
ahead comes.

Thank you for this good and timely ortical.

We must always seek God' way.
In Him,and for Him,
elizabeth

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IssacharSon Aug 13, 2012

MaryJane,

This thread hit home for me the other day when I was almost hit in the face by a "friend" who does not agree with submitting to authority in the workplace.

Yet, she is a Christian. My "friend" has bought into this culture of vengeance. Esp. against difficult authority figures. The proletariat have dreadfully remixed the encounter between "David and Goliath" as an excuse for the "little guy" to get back at the "big guy". This was not at all the theme of this battle. Not at all!

Vengeance is such a "knee-jerk" reaction, but it can't be, anymore. What I fear most for the church is the way we take vengeance into our own hands.

Love-in-Christ,

KP

sermonindex Aug 13, 2012

Dearest MaryJane,
The interesting conundrum about preparing for persecution is that you don't know how to until it is upon you. I discern that you have a true spirit, and have every confidence that you will make it, so refuse to listen to the doubts fed to you by the enemy.

I was, and am, a God fearing, dedicated, spirit filled Christian, but in the past I some how equated those qualities to being untouchable. I lived a wealthy life style and had prominent standing in the community, volunteering in all the kids's schools, ministering successfully in the church. Then God took up his option on me, he decided to prepare me for the days to come so that I could stand along side others who have yet to experience it. My husband backslid (while still in church) and tormented and abused me night and day, he spread rumors throughout the community about me, he tried to poison my children against me, he and his girlfriend tried to find someone to kill me, and he killed my son - a pain I will carry with me forever. I was in court for 10 years, I had to listen to lies and testimony that was not true. Of course, the truth won out - but dear Mary Jane, after all the years, it didn't matter any more. I sent the documentation about my sons death to several authorities, who did nothing. My fortune was stolen from me, as the judge wouldn't allow me to place a conservator in our business. And the above is only some of the persecution and slander I endured, but I lost most of my friends because my "wounds" were to messy.

I live a paupers life, and am now closer to the Lord than I ever was. Yes, you will be able to forgive them, in time. I'll tell you how: The Lord allowed these things to happen, for good, and for his glory. If you focus on the enemy (which seems common in these posts), you can't forgive, but remember, the enemy isn't in charge - God is! He allows these things to happen. Yes, at first you're upset with God, because why doesn't he allow this to happen to your peers? Why can't they see what is happening. After time, when you receive the ultimate gift of truly being able to say, "Not my will but thine be done," you will see it as a glorious blessing and forgiveness comes easier.

This is how you pray for those who are puppets for the enemy: Lord, they are hollow vessels which the enemy has free access to, I pray that you'll protect me from their evil, and open their eyes. If they choose another way, Lord, I pray that you'll work it for good in my life. Remember, vengeance is the Lord's, and every one of the judges, counselors, lawyers and "friends" who supported the death of my son, will be accountable for the shovel full of dirt they placed on his grave. You forgive because you know that God has commanded it, but He never forgets a thing and will avenge, and it frees you from bitterness. You place your trust in Him,

You can surely pray for love for them, I didn't have it back then, and I am currently praying that God puts a love in my heart for everyone. I barely had enough strength for the day. But loving your enemies, and calling a spade a spade are two different things. Remember when Jesus called the Pharisees a "brood of vipers." My current ministry seems to be for the weaker Christians, not the unsaved - but the enemy can work through both.

The best way to prepare for the persecution is to be faithful in much prayer, reading your Bible, and hearing from God. Sounds like you're doing the right thing.

Blessings

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ginnyrose Aug 13, 2012

Inspiring post, Mary Jane...

I have often thought that the trials, tests we experience now are given to us to force us to learn to rely on the LORD Jesus. This is a powerful lesson that takes some severe chastisements at times because we are stubborn, we like our securities so we will fight whatever will work to secure their stability.

I am also convinced persecution will come from those closest to us, those we trust and have confidence in. This will take the trial of endurance to a level we do not want to go.

The promise of heaven enhances our hope because it takes our focus off of what is now to something far beyond our imagination. Once we get there we will think how silly our worries were - if one can do that, i.e.

All this is possible when we are yoked together with Him!

God bless.

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