stevet83
Sep 10, 2012
I heard someone teaching and they said, "The only difference between Judas and Peter is this: Peter repented."
I would like to hear some thoughts on this. Thanks
I heard someone teaching and they said, "The only difference between Judas and Peter is this: Peter repented."
I would like to hear some thoughts on this. Thanks
Welcome to SI Steve, glad to have you here.
The sovereignty of God is at the root of the answer to your question. The Word explicitly speaks of vessels of honor and vessels of dishonor as chosen and creates by God. It also speaks of the Lord granting a person repentance. Yet we are also called to repent and believe. This message from Keith Daniel is a balanced introduction to this matter. It's from last year's SI Conference.
The War With the Most Casualties: The War Between The Saints by Keith Daniel by SermonIndex.net Simulcast 2011
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Both Peter and Judas repented.
The difference is one denied the Lord the other sold the Lord.
Judas was like Esau, sold his birthright for a bowl of soup. Like Esau, Judas no doubt wept over his decision even threw back the money. He saw his Apostleship as nothing and sold his right to be counted among the twelve. This was a serious offence and God who is rich in mercy may have forgiven him, the scriptures is silent, but at the same time, he had to die for his crime of killing innocent blood.
We don't know about poor old Judas whether he made it to heaven or not, one can only speculate. We may be surprised that he did.
hi, Peter repented to God and Judas repented to man.jimp peter cried out to God... judas took the money to those who hired him and threw it down and committed suicide. who knows.. when Jesus brought and cooked breakfast for peter if judas had not taken his life if he also would have been forgiven. judas was the son of perdition from the forming of the earth ... i doubt it.but who am i.jimp
Hello Steve,
I believe the difference between Judas and Peter is that Judas Joined Christ only for what benefits he can get from being with a prophet. That is proven by his repeated sin of stealing from the money sack. When Jesus announced to the diciples that the son of man must suffer, Judas wanted nothing of Him.
We know that all the diciples struggeled with the suffering part including Peter . Like all of us we do not want suffering but unlike Judas when they knew there is a cross to carry or will have none of glory that follows they finally surredered their will to His.
Even Jesus in his humanity did not want the cross but He too had to surrender His will to the Father's.
It is the same with Christendom today, outwardly we may all struggle with the same sin nature but when the hour of testing comes there will be a seperation between the true and the false.
But Judas didn't 'join' Christ, Christ chose him.I believe the difference between Judas and Peter is that Judas Joined Christ only for what benefits he can get from being with a prophet.
John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?
Maybe I do not see things black and white as you do approved.
I just take God's word for what it says, the whole of it.
I see God's choosing of man and man's choosing of God both in the Bible side by side.
Let me ask you this: How do you reconcile John 6:70 with John 1: 35-42
for me, i see no contradiction, but what about you?
I will answer your question with scripture.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Thank you for stirring me up to look into the scriptures.
Approved, while I have the answer I do not wish to enter into a cal/arm debate. I am done with that.
I do believe that just as there is true faith, and false faith, true repentance and false repentance, there is also true coming and false coming.
The churches are filled with people who come for wrong reasons, perhapse they want their sins forgiven or whatever benefit they wish to receive. I believe Judas was such an one.
God for you, I hate the Cal/Arm subjects too, I have no faith in either one of them.Approved, while I have the answer I do not wish to enter into a cal/arm debate. I am done with that.
May your day be blessed tomorrow.
Hi Approved
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God for you, I hate the Cal/Arm subjects too, I have no faith in either one of them ///Approved, while I have the answer I do not wish to enter into a cal/arm debate. I am done with that.
Amen guys! I think Keith Daniels has done the best Job at shining the light of scripture to both sides.
RE: Approved wrote ///We don't know about poor old Judas whether he made it to heaven or not, one can only speculate. We may be surprised that he did.///
This is the scripture that came to mind when I read that.
Matthew ch 26 24 "The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said."
I appreciate everyone's input. I have some of my own. After I posted this thread I decided to go and read the Gospels. I'll be the first to say I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to the Bible, but I have a desire to know the truth. The good thing is the answers are in black and white. When it comes to what people have to say about God and the Bible I'm very critical. Im not this way because I'm mean or I want to put people down, it's for I guess selfish reasons. Man is tainted and so are his words. I believe that truth can stand against critism and at the same time be reasonable and logical. I'm just not gonna believe whatever comes down the pipe. Honestly, I don't believe I'm obligated to believe what men say anyway. I know there is a difference between a false teacher and someone who just teaches something that is false. The first knows the truth and purposefully teaches a lie to lead people astray for whatever reason. The other will just say something in ignorance maybe cause they didn't familiarize themselves with the subject, or they think that what they have to say is intelligent, insightful, or helpful.
Well I'm convinced that this preacher guy who was teaching about the difference between Judas and Peter is wrong. I'm not knocking what he said. I'm sure for some people it was good enough, I just had to many questions that didn't get answers. I read the account of judas giving the coins back to those Jewish teachers, what struck me was the repentance that he expressed. "betrayed innocent blood" "overwhelmed with grief" I read some of the replies and much discussion could be made of this, he was not repentant toward God, and so on. What surprised me was Peters repentance, where did he repent? It says he wept bitterly, but the next time he comes up is when Jesus shows up while they're fishing. Thing to note: Peter, after he denied Christ, went back to being what he was before Jesus called him. I'm still trying to find his repentance. Yes I know he picked up where he left off as a follower of Jesus by obeying Jesus' command to what in Jerusalem. Could that be seen as repentance? Sure, I think so. Obedience is a manifestation of repentance. But, Jesus had already told Peter:Satan has asked to sift you as wheat but I have prayed for you Peter, that your faith will not fail and when you are converted strengthen the brethren. Jesus also told Peter that he would deny Him. What does Jesus say about Judas? When Jesus was praying to the Father in John ch. 16 or 17 He says: I have lost none that you gave me except the one doomed to destruction(son of perdition), so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
I've read a lot of posts and it's evident that there is a rift among Christians concerning certain points of doctrine. I am NOT trying to get anyone going about certain doctrines, all I know is what Jesus said about Judas I real interesting. I have brought this up to a pastor who visits me, he had his opinions...I respect this man and God has used him to help me a lot, but I noticed like I did with some posts that some seem more concerned with their loyalty to certain doctrines that they overlook some things that are written in black and white.
Fair to say I don't know the difference
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