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proudpapa Oct 4, 2012

By Michael Pearl and Debi Pearl

The Foger family came to stay with us one spring about 12 years ago while they were on furlough from Mozambique.

Their eighth child was soon to be delivered. Although I had just met the family, I was highly impressed by them. The oldest daughter, 19 years old, was a joyful, hardworking, energetic, blue-eyed beauty. The next, a 17 year old son, was cut in the mold of his father, dedicated, reserved, and very mission-minded. The five other children were 13 years old and younger. The family sang together with strong, forceful voices, no bashfulness among them. The two oldest children provided the instrumental accompaniment. It was an experience just listening to such a group.

They all understood and spoke two languages. The oldest two children spoke three languages. The father had left South America after ten years of mission service to move to another country, which meant learning another language. The parents still stumbled around slowly learning the Portuguese language. The two oldest children were invaluable in the new ministry, which was already showing promise.

While we sat around one evening, the mother casually asked us to pray that their daughter find a husband before they left for Mozambique in the Fall. I asked in a shocked manner, “Why on earth would you want her to marry now? She is such a blessing to you and knows the language. Surely you need her to help you with the other children.” The mother lifted her arched brows as she pondered how she would answer me. Her look conveyed her surprise at my lack of understanding. “We will be in a foreign country for the next 4 years. All that time she will be at the prime of her marriageable age. We feel it is best for her to marry an American. God called my husband to Mozambique as a missionary…not our adult children. We have obeyed God and raised them up to serve HIM…not US. We don’t add; we multiply. It is time for her to live her life.”
That next year we received a mission card with their picture. There were only six children in the picture. The mission letter briefly stated that the oldest son was in Bible school and the daughter was married.

Over the years I received their missions update. I noted that the parents were growing fatter and grayer. The children disappeared from the picture, one or two every year or so. It was sad to see the diminishing of such a magnificent family. The mission letters were filled with gospel film presentations to prisoners and villagers, church camps, protracted meetings, people getting saved, and only a brief mention of their now grown children. They would write something like, “Joshua and his wife are in Romania serving as missionaries; Peter and his wife are in Russia working with the something ministry; Sara married this year. Her husband is the pastor of a church.” And so it went.

Today we receive mission letters from their now grown and ministering children. I see their families expanding. Their joyful, energetic, blue-eyed beauty of a daughter is now the mother of six children. Her family is growing up in Cajun country. I know if I meet them I will be very impressed. I heard that they sing like soldiers…with power and command.

I am thankful for the testimony of the Foger family as well as other families that have come into our lives. They are a prototype to help us understand the problems that are arising among some older homeschooling families. We call it by different names. Today it is the Cloistered Homeschooled Syndrome. Briefly, it is the failure of the parents to understand, appreciate, and respect the individuality of their adult children. They sacrifice the individual identities of their children on the altar of their own emotional needs, making them nurse when they should be killing and dressing their own food, making them obey when they should be learning to command. They seem to think that grown children are God’s gift to them rather than their gift to God. Through letters and personal contact, we see more and more of this cult-like isolationism, parents demanding absolute allegiance to the family group, and fearing outside contact might break up their “fellowship.” Adult kids who want to launch out on their own are told that they are rebellious and disloyal and are causing grief to those who have nurtured them. Emotionally needy parents manipulate their grown children into remaining loyal to the unit. Thirty-year-old daughters sit at home acting as surrogate mothers, watching their prospects to ever be a mother dwindle.

You cannot stop a tree from growing without killing it or deforming it. Likewise, every year of one’s life up until about the age of twenty-one or twenty-two is a year of radical change and development. Some parents are trying to stop that development, clinging to their teenagers like they were six years old. We have observed the victims many times. They either flee their chains in anger, or they are slowly smothered into inordinate submission, and their personalities die as they merge into the ego of their dependent parents.

This medieval hierarchy is preached as Bible doctrine. Father and Mother as King and Queen of their little kingdom preach the divine right of Kings and parents—“Obey me without question, for it is your manifest destiny.” Their “patriarchal” status is the only expression of their significance in an otherwise disconnected world, and they milk it until their children are dry and lifeless in spirit, or until they fly away to breathe fresh air.

For over a year we have been discussing this subject, thinking about how to address it. We have talked with many young adults who are, or were, held captive, the rebellious and the subdued, those who are disciples of Christ and those who are worldly and lost. We have spoken with families who lost their children early, in their teens, and families who lost a child to the world in their twenties or later.

How did this happen? It is the old pendulum at work. Thirty to forty years ago Christian parents were losing their children to the world through public schools, public churches, and public play. The family was disconnected and dating was the norm. We rebelled against the soul eating monster and took charge of our lives. Our children would not be raised on the TV. They would not lose their virginity in a school bathroom or under the stairwell. No more evolutionary philosophy and godless history and science. We took our children home and taught them from used books and the Bible. We created culture anew, abstaining from mega churches with their youth groups and revolving boy-girl relationships. We parents became the principle influence in our children’s lives, selecting their friends and ours with care. No overnight sleeps or backyard playhouses with closing doors. Family worship and Bible study took the place of Television. Once again parents were in charge and there was hope.
It felt good to be in control of our own destiny, to not be a victim, to know that our children would escape the sin and shame that some of us had to go through before we came to Christ.

There was a vacuum, a need for leaders to arise and define what had become a movement, to clarify our journey and give us direction through uncharted waters. First, curriculum was written, then seminars. Sub-movements arose to flesh out the new culture, specialists addressing every conceivable issue—head coverings, dress, doctrine, spanking, scheduled nursing, Kosher foods and Jewish practices, and the list goes on. Books were written, some good, some not so good. Then someone pulled from ancient Chaldean and Sumerian culture, also practiced by Jews of that day as reflected in Scripture, a system of Patriarchal rule. It was the way nomadic clans were held together, a necessity of the times, but never taught by Moses, the prophets, or Christ as God’s divine plan.

I laughed the first time I hear of the Patriarchal Movement. “It will never fly,” I said, “People are not that gullible.” But they were. Daddies who were never in charge of anything, maybe not even their wives, were finally given justification for assuming the throne. Yippee!

It is now become a disease of epic proportions. We call them PDFs, Patriarchal Dysfunctional Families. The children are treated as permanent property of the parents. If they don’t marry, and many of them never have the opportunity, they remain at home as a sort of indentured servant, never rising to the status of an adult, always under authority of the head of the clan, the Patriarch Daddy. Don’t snicker. A lot of kids are hurting. And if you want to see something scary, try to conduct a betrothal with two patriarchal mothers involved. It is uggggly.
Daughter sits at home serving the younger children and doing Mama’s chores—waiting for God’s choice. Daddy and Mama hold their merchandise guardedly, waiting for a buyer who never comes.

What is pitiful is the whole process is done in hopes of getting the perfect will of God, but one vital ingredient is missing—encouraging your children to become responsible, autonomous, well educated, and experienced adults as soon as possible. You should have trained your sons to be men by the time they are fifteen, independent by the time they are eighteen. Your daughters should be capable of living apart from the family by the time they are eighteen and should be allowed to make their own life’s decisions somewhere between the ages of eighteen and twenty. Unmarried, grown (18 years old) children may remain at home; it is good if they do; but the parent-child relationship should evolve into an adult-adult relationship by the time they are sixteen to eighteen years old. Parents should have earned the right to give advice, and kids should have grown in wisdom enough to ask for it. But a parent should never invoke his parental authority on a grown kid. It is demeaning to both and akin to not being potty trained.

To teach a student to drive or fly a plane and then always make him be in the company of his parents is degrading. You teach them so they can become independent of you. Whose need is being met when a Father treats a 22-year-old girl like a child, dictating the parameters of her choices?
The glory of a parent is to work himself out of a job, to stand back and see his kids fly solo. I expected to have supplanted myself by the time my kids were eighteen. And so it was. Long before that, I began to confer with them adult to adult. I have stepped back and allowed them to make decisions that I knew were not the best choices, and sometimes I was wrong; they were wiser than I.

Space does not allow us to say more at this time. More will come later. Sit down and talk with your nearly grown kids. Ask them what they want, feel, aspire to. Don’t express hurt, and don’t emotionally manipulate them. Encourage them to pursue their dreams and support them in their effort.

In 1996, our daughter Rebekah Joy, then a 20-year-old in training to be a linguist, wrote this poem. At the time, the poem was the future; it was full of promise and hope.
There is a mighty army
Being trained to stand and fight.
A Battlefield of soldiers
Learning what is right.
A Company of warriors
That will boldly take the Word
To every tribe and nation
Til every soul has heard.
There is a mighty army,
I’ve seen them everywhere.
Most are wearing diapers
And dragging Teddy Bears.
Infants in the training
Drilled in right and wrong.
Mom and Dad are making
Soldiers brave and strong.
There is a mighty army
Trained in righteous war.
Cheer them on to victory,
Children of the Lord!

At 22 years old, Rebekah went into a remote mountain range of Papua New Guinea to study the language of a tribe who had never even seen a white person. Her 19-year-old brother, Gabriel, went for a few months, then was replaced by Nathan, her 17-year-old brother. Nathan stayed for a few months until he believed that she would be safe. She was left alone on that mountain with the unreached tribe. After two years, others came to help, and she came home.

It was her understanding of languages that gave us the information needed to pass on to veteran missionary Tom Gaudet. He is a publisher of Bibles into obscure languages. He sent out an appeal on the web for any translator that might have been working on a common language of that area. He received 14 replies. One was from a missionary who had spent 35 years translating the Bible, but when he went home he couldn’t raise the money to get it printed. Tom pulled together all the translators, had them correct each other’s work and settle on a finished manuscript. We raised the money to get 20,000 printed and shipped.

Sending a beautiful, unassertive, young woman is not God’s usual way. He was proving a point. He was making a statement to her, to us and to you. “If I can protect and use this young girl to win a remote tribal people, then I can do the same for you.”

Rebekah kept a diary of those years, which we read when she came home. We wept at her courage and resolve. We wept that we had the honor of being her parents. We published Rebekah’s Diary in 1997. She was such a regular, normal girl until God gave her the vision of reaching a tribe. A few years ago, missionaries contacted us and told us that there are now seven strong villages of believers on that mountain and that the village men proudly carry their Bibles under their arms.
Because a young girl went willingly…
Because we, HER PARENTS, didn’t say no.
Because she would have obeyed us and stayed home.
But we cheered her on to victory…
There are new names written down in glory.

sermonindex Oct 4, 2012

If articles like this just stuck to the business of being about just one business and not so many sub-texts they would make a great read and be a source of encouragement. Sadly they don’t do that. The sub-texts are so far from the mark of truth that I truly wonder what was really intended by writing it in the first place.

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rainydaygirl Oct 4, 2012

by amrkelly on 2012/10/4 6:14:46

If articles like this just stuck to the business of being about just one business and not so many sub-texts they would make a great read and be a source of encouragement. Sadly they don’t do that. The sub-texts are so far from the mark of truth that I truly wonder what was really intended by writing it in the first place.

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i agree with you about this article.

rdg

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ginnyrose Oct 4, 2012

Papa, this article made some valid points - points that will likely be ignored for whatever reason one can come up with.

There are some home-schooled children who have done well and they get a lot of publicity to demonstrate that this is the way to teach ones children. But cloistered homeschooling is not the way to go and this article demonstrates it.

It also shows how one should teach your children to be self-sufficient...

Anyhow, I love this mother's attitude towards her children - they belong to God and not me. A parent must release their child into God's hands to allow Him to deal with them as He wills.

Thanks for posting...

ginnyrose

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sermonindex Oct 4, 2012

Papa, this article made some valid points - points that will likely be ignored for whatever reason one can come up with. GinnyRose.

This article does make some valid points. Yet there is no need to guess at the reasons why that which is valid is lost, nor less to impute “other” reasons without explicit reference to them.

If something is worth saying then say it plainly.

It is not ignorance which made me post but certain knowledge; both of home schooling itself, which is claimed to be at the heart of the OP, as well as the lies which are hidden in the post.

The experiences which were said to inform this article came from two sources. One were experiences of home schooling or families who “lost” their children because they allegedly failed as parents to equip them for independence, or else ended up possessing their children like devils for selfish gratification. The other was one family which due entirely to the fact that they were missionaries brought their children up to be missionaries. Yes the children of this family are clearly very blessed and they are a good testimony to their parents and the Lord working in their lives.

However, there is also a sub-text which informs this article and that amounts to a demonic presentation, at the heart of which is a lie. We should not confuse experience with spiritual reality if they in fact contradict one another. How would anyone reading this article take anything from it with regards to home schooling their children by simply reading about fearful and selfish parents holding onto their children in a way which in the end becomes unhealthy? Many parents both believing and unbelieving hold onto their children in this way. It is an age old reality.

In seeking to address this perceived reality the writer makes inaccurate claims that patriarchy is a Chaldean and Sumerian culture which is incidentally practised by the Jews of “that day”. Get real! The sister who wrote this article, no doubt with the approval and blessing of her husband, should get some education herself. This claim is tantamount to saying that having a pater familiar as the head of the house is a Babylonian invention. What nonsense. The family is a government as well as a cult and it is one which was ordained by God Himself. By very reason of authority it must be so. You don’t mock and deride something of such profound importance in order to establish something which is another kind of truth altogether; that of failing to present our children to God equipped and well educated for His service and purposes.

Home schooling our children does not make them more or less likely to be able to have an intelligent and reasonable relationship with God. If we ourselves are fearful as parents and likewise selfish we will ruin our children in any regard. I asked my son James, who is 18 years old, whether he thought in his own mind that he was an independent thinker or had achieved true adult responsibility. He said “no”. So in a momentary panic I asked whether he thought that he would have done so by the time he was 21 years. He said “yes”. Is this an adequate enquiry? That depends on whether he gets drunk, smokes cigarettes, takes heroin or smokes pot, has sex under the stairs or spends his time practising ungodliness so that he can truly know whether he is independent. I prefer to measure this pater familial concern by whether he is able to exercise his youthful inclination towards obedience and thence towards God in Whom I trust, in his sight as his father, and not whether I have taught him to rebel as I once rebelled. Still this may just be old fashioned. Only God Himself knows.

sermonindex Oct 4, 2012

The Pearls are the type of teachers that you really have to use discernment with. They have written and taught some very important and good things... and sometimes they have written and taught some very kooky odd ball things.

I also agree that this article is all over the place and hard to read. This is because Mr. Pearl fancies himself to be an author, and he is truly not. But he keeps writing books anyway, and thats ok. This is America.

Krispy

sermonindex Oct 4, 2012

I do not perceive the posted article as being demonic and so forth. But raising valid concern in what can take place if children are homeschooled in the way the artcce suggests. There are certain patterns if homeschooling that can take place. That almost be percjeved as cultic. Without mentioning names the children that come out if this particular homeschooling environment have been sheltered. Some cannot relate to the world in which they live.

Yet tbeir are benefits to hone schooling if done in Christ centrted healthy way. My sister homeschooled my three nephews who turned out very well.

I would line to point out that not all Christian children are homeschooled for various reasons. There is a high school student who comes on this forumwgo by her post infers she attends a public school. Yet lives the Lord. We need to remember those students God gas placed in the public schools to be a light to the unsaved.

My thoughts.

Bearnaster.

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ginnyrose Oct 4, 2012

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"Briefly, it is the failure of the parents to understand, appreciate, and respect the individuality of their adult children. They sacrifice the individual identities of their children on the altar of their own emotional needs, making them nurse when they should be killing and dressing their own food, making them obey when they should be learning to command. They seem to think that grown children are God’s gift to them rather than their gift to God. Through letters and personal contact, we see more and more of this cult-like isolationism, parents demanding absolute allegiance to the family group, and fearing outside contact might break up their “fellowship.” Adult kids who want to launch out on their own are told that they are rebellious and disloyal and are causing grief to those who have nurtured them. Emotionally needy parents manipulate their grown children into remaining loyal to the unit."
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I would love to hear a discussion on this particular issue. I call it an issue because it does exist. I have seen it. AND it ain't pretty.

ginnyrose

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ginnyrose Oct 4, 2012

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"I have seen it. AND it ain't pretty."
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So, what does it look like in reality?

The father is domineering, the wife silent. The children have no clue how to function apart from dad. Once they grow up their frustration kicks in and off they go. They become estranged from dad. And mom? She is quiet like a puppy.

We have seen a family where the dad fathered a lot of girls. He is the one that did all the shopping for the entire family, even for the personal items for his daughters! We women think he must be a pervert. Stories are told how these girls have no clue how to shop for themselves! Yes, they home-schooled.

Another family...the dad was critical of all churches. He limited his boys social life...The boys grew up to be rebellious and hold their dad in low esteem.

Another. The dad promised his daughters they would inherit a large share of the farm if they stayed with him farming it. They did but later had serious regrets yielding to his control and manipulation.

Yes, these are people I know, some better then others.

Dad and mom are not going to be living forever on this planet. Since this is the case it is the parent's job to train the children to become independent so they can function on their own and put themselves out of a job.

God bless.

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sermonindex Oct 5, 2012

I do not perceive the posted article as being demonic and so forth. But raising valid concern in what can take place if children are home schooled in the way the article suggests. There are certain patterns if home schooling that can take place. That [can] almost be perceived as cultic. Without mentioning names the children that come out if this particular home schooling environment have been sheltered. Some cannot relate to the world in which they live. bearmaster.

The same argument was presented regarding children who were Sunday schooled fifty years ago by behavioural sociologists and psychologists concerned about “Christian children” whose parents didn’t make a very good job of bringing their children up; as it was perceived. Today there is a scoring system based on theoretical models of behaviour which when applied to adults with drug problems and anger issues, follow the same pattern. After about 15 minutes of a “client” sharing their problems in which they begin with “my parents sent me to Sunday school” or “I was in a choir” or “my parents were religious” but “I’m bad” the “councillor” jubilantly explains that, “they” have a personality disorder. You may in fact be schizophrenic or be oppressed by unclean spirits but you will find no meaningful help beyond a rationalistic response that you need to take charge of your life.

The sad thing is that this understanding may well be accurate in may cases. Satan does take advantage of idealistic views of life which for many reasons have little substance in them. In experience isolation from real life can produce a lack of confidence and even fear. But so can going to school and experiencing real life to its full. The world understands better than anyone that independent thinking is necessary to independent actions. Not all parents disagree with this and hence they may opt for a public or state schooling option believing that home schooling will produce the opposite. Personally I would say that those parents who are inclined to be fearful over their children will produce some likely “negative” outcomes regardless of where their children are educated. I have also met with parents who are fearful, but at the same time wouldn’t deliberately hold their children back from normal rational development and in the end know that their children will have to “work it out” if they cannot be taught to restrain themselves because they have been indoctrinated by the world from a young age. There are no simple answers.

As for my reference to a demonic sub-text I was referring to the mockery which is evident in some of the comments and its direction. Not only is this article all over the place, academically, it is singularly presenting an idea that patriarchy is a Babylonian invention. Given that the article could only really be of any use to believers this amounts to a demonic imputation. If the article were read by an unbeliever who was well informed about the problem of many patriarchal families, it would be understandably agreed to. But for a believer it amounts to a contribution to a wearing down of the importance of authority of parents and especially fathers’ which together are the elected government of God in every nation on earth. The problem lies as always with the fact that most accusations against the saints can be substantiated and this substantiation tends to wear down those who have experienced patriarchal abuse or unreasonable control as children into adult life; thereby making it seem reasonable to thrown away the foundation for all government. In every sphere of life this parental governing principle is being divided not just by dividing by gender distinctions, it is also being divided by destroying any claim to gender distinctions whatsoever.

Home schooling should be about education and development of children. Regardless of whether its popularity in the 80’s and 90’s has produced a rush of literature which has shaped and informed it; the principle is a matter of parental choice and not theoretical or so-called spiritual directives. As a trustee of an independent private Christian school, as well as a home-schooled family, it is ironic to me that whilst the children at my own school manage by and large to behave themselves and do well at school, almost all of their difficulties attend to witnessing their parents stumble. This would seem to suggest that these children would be better off at an independent private school yet to say that would be truly arrogant and divisive.

Many of the parents of the children at the school (who were almost always previously home schoolers) exhibit a degree of fear about their children and regularly express it. The head teacher has been abused more times than it is possible to believe, mostly because parents are full of fear and concern. I don’t believe that this article in the OP has anything to do with home schooling. Certainly it has nothing to do with helping to make the issue any more clear or understandable. The balance of intelligence in the article lies squarely in the ball park of a single family’s successes on the mission field with their own family. Most by far who love the Lord are not in that position and don’t experience life in that way. They have to deal with the realities of a western culture which is hell bent on destroying family life as it has been understood and experienced from the beginning. If there is to be a male and a female in the house together then let it be a male and a female and a male and a female. No father’s no Mother’s, no son’s and no daughter’s. It is just a herd or a group of individuals doing their own thing in a spirit of independence. Such a presentation lends itself very well to giving rise to homosexuality as a valid alternative. This conception may well be intellectually vulgar but it is a spiritual ambition and therefore a reality in the land.

Abusive and domineering husbands, shopping for their daughters is perverse, but that too has nothing to do with home schooling. If you are really wondering what it has to do with I can tell you straight ways. It is about control by whatever means. This too has nothing to do with home schooling. There is only a vulgar correlation between abusive men and home schooling. There is no correlation between home schooling and the patriarchal family however. To make the connection is perverse and has more to do with doctrines of demons than it has to do with an understanding and compassionate mind for those young people who have been badly served by their parents, for whatever reason. There is one final sub-meaning which may be in this article, and it is an intellectual one. “Don’t home school your children at all. It is bad for them."

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rainydaygirl Oct 5, 2012

Abusive and domineering husbands, shopping for their daughters is perverse, but that too has nothing to do with home schooling. If you are really wondering what it has to do with I can tell you straight ways. It is about control by whatever means. This too has nothing to do with home schooling. There is only a vulgar correlation between abusive men and home schooling. There is no correlation between home schooling and the patriarchal family however. To make the connection is perverse and has more to do with doctrines of demons than it has to do with an understanding and compassionate mind for those young people who have been badly served by their parents, for whatever reason. There is one final sub-meaning which may be in this article, and it is an intellectual one. “Don’t home school your children at all. It is bad for them."

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great post, that was exactly what i got from reading the article. after reading this article i was very unsettled and i think i now know why.

thanks
rdg

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proudpapa Oct 5, 2012

I would encourage some of the posters to reread the article and check out the Pearls pro home school websight http://nogreaterjoy.org/ , and repent of there misrepresenting slander.

sermonindex Oct 5, 2012

Thanks for pointing to the website which I have not read through. I can see that it has a home school pro stance. I accept therefore that my final comment of my last post was ill founded. However I did state that this was a may and not a was concern. I do not retract any other part whatsoever.

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Jeremy221 Oct 5, 2012

I read several articles from the website and went from seeing things that seemed right on to pop psychology gibberish to out right junk. After my reading I noticed the title of the site which references 3 John verse 4 which states, "I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth." When this passage is applied to physical offspring rather than the spiritual offspring, problems will ensue. We must seek the Lord ourselves everyday and walk by His Spirit, testing the spirits as to whether they are of God. When I read material like this and then see the mixture of promoting this gospel of homeschooling through selling their products for them, it is unsettling. Be wary of what you read on the No Greater Joy website.

If you missed what I was referring to, you can find it here:

http://nogreaterjoy.org/shop/distributors/distributorship-program/

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proudpapa Oct 5, 2012

The Characteristics of a Dysfunctional Patriarch

•A dysfunctional patriarch believes he has a divine right and mandate to not just lead, but to command his wife and children perpetually. The key word is “perpetually.”
•A dysfunctional patriarch finds personal satisfaction in the power of his authority.
•A dysfunctional patriarch doesn’t have confidence in his ability to train his children or in their ability to overcome the world, so he protects them from temptation.
•A dysfunctional patriarch discovers that his elevated position meets some deep unfulfilled needs to be respected and honored, something he may not have fulfilled outside the home.
•A dysfunctional patriarch makes his leadership role the centerpiece of his Christian experience.
•A dysfunctional patriarch uses his family and their submission to the process as a way to commend himself to others and gain respect and honor.
•A dysfunctional patriarch is in search of community and seeks to establish it in his family.
•A dysfunctional patriarch is fearful of and suffers a sense of loss at the thought of the breakup of his family unit. This is the most telling characteristic of a dysfunctional patriarch.
•A dysfunctional patriarch will use guilt to control his children and prevent them from developing independence.
•A dysfunctional patriarch ends up holding his sons and daughters back from life, rather than helping them build a life.
•A dysfunctional patriarch is most likely to be an Amillennialist or Postmillennialist—anything but a Premillennialist. Accordingly, he believes the church has replaced Israel, and thus views the family much like a Jewish theocracy—trying to emulate the ancient Middle Eastern cultural forms, which are incidentally revealed in the Hebrew Scriptures. Vision Forum Ministries actually admits to returning to the Law in support of the Patriarchal doctrine:
“It is in the context of such ‘testing times’ that God’s people are often reminded to ‘open the lost book of The Law,’ and return to the ancient paths — the eternal, unchanging truths found within the pages of Holy Scripture.”
—The Tenets of Biblical Patriarchy, VisionForum.com

The Characteristics of a True Patriarch
•A true patriarch never demands respect; he inspires his children to greatness through example.
•A true patriarch teaches his children to choose the good and reject the evil, and provides carefully-controlled exposure to temptation and careful admonition.
•A true patriarch passes along his wisdom and culture—“here a little, there a little,” as they “walk in the way.”
•A true patriarch does not invoke his authority to avoid discussion and reason by his children.
•A true patriarch does not act like someone on a throne, but like the Lord Jesus, with a towel girt about his loins in service.
•A true patriarch does not covet his authority. He knows that his job is not to remain at the head of the parade, but to train his children to take the baton and lead, following their Heavenly Father.
•A true patriarch, like John the Baptist, knows he must decrease and has his joy fulfilled when his children leave him to follow their calling in life by God. He will actually rejoice to see that his children are walking in truth—on their own!
•As you read these two contrasting lists, you may have noted that the most prominent characteristic of each is the attitude of the father in regard to the specific duration of his authority over his children. The father who believes that God designed the family unit to exist as a clan, a pyramid ruled by the eldest male, with grown children expected to remain under their father’s umbrella of authority long after they have reached natural maturity, produces what we call the dysfunctional patriarchal family.


http://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/the-balanced-patriarch/

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proudpapa Oct 5, 2012

With all religious material including modern bible translations we need to use disernment and be wary. I am not promoting no greater joy, But much of there material is correct and informational as is the artical here that I posted.

As far as the Link that you posted. I would encourage you to do some more research and report back to everyone what the money that NGJ recieves is used for.

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proudpapa Oct 5, 2012

I am completely astonished at the posters (posters that I greatly respect)that are going to great lengths to undermine the artical that I posted. I would leave it alone, but to clearly mislead the intent and the underlying message of the artical is unexcusable.
If I know religious pride, I would expect that rather than admit wrong doing many are going to side step the artical altogether and search out arears of fault within NGJ in order not to prove the article as in error but rather to undermine NGJ altogather.
what a shame what carnality.

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wayneman Oct 5, 2012

I know a Mennonite couple who not only home-schooled their kids but forbade them to associate with unsaved kids, which included most of the Youth Group, in their judgment. Well, their oldest went off to a summer Bible camp and suffered a nervous breakdown from which he has never recovered. It was his first excursion outside the cloister, and he snapped.

That is anecdotal, of course, and not the norm. But I have known only one home-schooling couple whose kids turned out healthy, happy, well-behaved, devout, etc. Every other home-schooled kid I know is cranky, disobedient and displays what neo-Freudians call "Oppositional Defiance Disorder." And when they get to be teenagers, then the real trouble begins.

I think the reason for this is not that home schooling in itself is a bad thing, but because most home-schoolers employ these elaborately weird "soul-sculpting" and "positive/negative reinforcement" parenting techniques. Instead of saying, "Hezekiah" - (home schoolers tend to give their children flamboyantly biblical names) - Instead of saying, "Hezekiah, stop that;" they say, "Hezekiah, I want you to stop that - obey me, OK?" And of course the kid always does the opposite of what he's told.

The problem is not home schooling; the problem is that home schooling has become a cottage industry for amateur pop psychologists.

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proudpapa Oct 5, 2012

Hi wayneman, What you wrote you beautifully summarizes what the artical was combating and my intensions for posting the artical,
What you wrote is a realty and one that I have observed much within my own circle.

neither I nor the author of the artical are anti homeschool nor hidden agenda feminist. just the exact opposit rather.
The artical was written in a magazine whose target audience are homeschool familys. addressing some problems that are common place within many homeschool familys, in hopes that they would see the error of there ways and creat a house hold more in tune with the scripture rather than with some of extreme Patriarch societys of the past.

It is a shame that we can not post an artical without its intent being scrutinized as some kind of feminist demonic conspiracy mixed with the works of sigman froid.

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jochbaptist Oct 5, 2012

Must say, I found the jist and info on this post well worth reading and taking note of.

Thanks for sharing proudpapa, and your blessed reactions ginnyrose.
AK, KK ...? I am tempted to say something, but then I won't be able to press "Submit" with a clear conscience ....

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