Democrats Affirm Everything God Hates, Says John MacArthur

sermonindex Oct 4, 2012

America is on the path toward destruction as the country is obsessed with sex, murdering the unborn and approving of sinful behavior such as homosexuality, said evangelical pastor John MacArthur.

"I don't know how much time America has left," he said in a poignant message preached last month at Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, Calif. "We're on a course described here (in Scripture) as God casting us out."

MacArthur warned that the United States is "living in the outpouring of the wrath of God." And that wrath is specifically the wrath of God abandoning the nation. When God abandons a nation, He gives the people over to the consequences of their behavior, the pastor noted. That society first becomes pornographic and obsessed with sex, and then it sees "degrading" passions and diseases such as homosexuality and HIV/AIDS. And lastly, the people become haters of God, MacArthur listed in ...

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enid Oct 4, 2012

Can't disagree with anything he said. Or what they said he said.

Jeremiah was taken away to Babylon, along with those who were worshipping idols.

God is merciful, but even He has a limit. He has shown us so in His word.

God bless.

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AbideinHim Oct 4, 2012

"The Democratic Party has now made the sins of Romans 1 their agenda," he said in his message. "What God condemns, they affirm. What God punishes, they exalt.

"No wonder they didn't want 'God' in their original platform."

MacArthur went further to suggest that voters affiliated with the Democrat Party "rethink" their party identification.

The influential author stated clearly that he isn't getting political with his sermons. This has to do with Scripture, he said.

"This has nothing to do with politics. This has to do with speaking the Word of God to the culture in which we live," he stated. "Why do we say this? Because this must be recognized for what it is – sin, serious sin, damning sin, destructive sin.

"We get all caught up in the politics of this issue. That isn't the issue. It's about whether this society exists in the future at all. The land is so defiled, God will spew it out. First, He abandons it and then He destroys it."

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AbideinHim Oct 4, 2012

"The Christian and Politics" by John MacArthur
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZhYQ8V1STI

"Church and Politics" by John Piper
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3tWD1MZrQ8

sermonindex Oct 14, 2012

It is disheartening o see this respected Bibke teacher making political statements. The strength of John MacArthur's ministry was his unwavering commitment to teach the word. Now he has succumbed to tbe temptation to be almost political.

I an almost afraid to ask if John MacArthur would support a Mormon for President. I respected him when he held tbe position Christians should not be involved in politics. This was a strength in MacArthur's ministry. Now I fear he is another evangelical pastor making political rhetoric. So disheartening. But then their is much that disheartens God about the American church.

As I posted in another thread. Persecution must come upon tbe American church to bring out a purified faith remnant who will follow Jesus.

Posted by Bearmaster.

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jdlashley Oct 14, 2012

I must say I believe Dr. MacArthur pretty much nailed it. But, what saddens me is some of the responses at the bottom of the article from Christians. I have heard Dr. MacArthur speak regarding Christians and politics before and I wouldn't necessarily take his rebuke of the Democratic party as endorsement of the mormon candidate. But, his intent may be perhaps for those who name the name of Christ to examine who they are standing with and the platform they are embracing and making an effort to assert.

sermonindex Oct 14, 2012

JD that may be. At least I get that impression. But when pastors deviate from tbe gospel and get into even the hint of politics. There ministry loses power.

Living in Arkansas I am aware of a well known Southern Baptist Minister turned politician. Even ran for President once. He is now a FOX conservative talk show host. How could one ever turn away from preaching tbe glorious gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ and get into tbe curse of politics I never know. But thus nan surely has no power in his ministry. But then he gas no ministry.

It seems the devil tempts pastors to turn away from their spiritual calling to indulge in temporal politics. Their ministry loses power. Praise God I heard men last weekend who have a heart for the tbe things of Christ. And not afraid to declare his gospel.

My thoughts.

Bearmaster.

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dspks Oct 14, 2012

I am a passenger in this government (just passing through)... I have a unique responsibility to maintain it... NOT TRUST IT... Just as I allow my car to carry me down the road... This government was designed to carrying my family down a moral path (laws), an economic path, and a international path .
My responsibility is to look "under the hood" AND "down the road" and make the necessary repairs, and replacements, being mindful of the direction it is taking me.
Just as when I ignore the needs of my car I put my family in danger... so also when I ignore the needs of my government I put my family in danger.

In biblical times there was NOT a government of the people by the people and for the people... designed to be accountable to God fearing people.

Sadly, some God fearing people have chosen to leave the responsibility of "looking under the hood" to the godless... and then complain about the direction of the government.

Again, I trust the government about as much as I trust my car... but, I DO get involved with both of their maintenance... because they carry my family down the road at lethal speeds.

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rainydaygirl Oct 14, 2012

by dspks on 2012/10/14 15:12:16

I am a passenger in this government (just passing through)... I have a unique responsibility to maintain it... NOT TRUST IT... Just as I allow my car to carry me down the road... This government was designed to carrying my family down a moral path (laws), an economic path, and a international path .
My responsibility is to look "under the hood" AND "down the road" and make the necessary repairs, and replacements, being mindful of the direction it is taking me.
Just as when I ignore the needs of my car I put my family in danger... so also when I ignore the needs of my government I put my family in danger.

In biblical times there was NOT a government of the people by the people and for the people... designed to be accountable to God fearing people.

Sadly, some God fearing people have chosen to leave the responsibility of "looking under the hood" to the godless... and then complain about the direction of the government.

Again, I trust the government about as much as I trust my car... but, I DO get involved with both of their maintenance... because they carry my family down the road at lethal speeds.
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that's and interesting perspective on the topic. i don't vote myself for conviction reasons but i don't complain about the government either:)

thanks for your thoughts
rdg

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BeYeDoers Oct 15, 2012

Bearmaster,

Since when is preaching against abortion, homosexuality, and removing God from our vocabulary not the gospel?

EVERYTHING is religious, brother, even "politics". The gospel touches every aspect of life.

sermonindex Oct 15, 2012

Since when is preaching against abortion, homosexuality, and removing God from our vocabulary not the gospel?
EVERYTHING is religious, brother, even "politics". The gospel touches every aspect of life. beyedoers.

The truth is that preaching against abortion, homosexuality and the removal of the knowledge of God from common vocabulary isn't the gospel. All of these things are synonymous with the wickedness of men, but to preach against them does not amount to preaching the gospel.

Some brethren will in the end have to preach against these things, at least the first two of them, but that wont amount to preaching the gospel either. It will just mean that nations and governments will be left without excuse. Who in their right mind doesn't find these things an abomination and an offence. Yet the one who must speak against them may also have to go to prison as well. Most will simply hold the knowledge in their hearts and privately grieve.

Preaching the gospel is the gospel of grace. You wont win a man or a woman to Christ if you begin by rebuking them with the words that their actions are an abomination unto God. Christ didn't die for abominations in that sense He died to take away the sin of the world. Preach Christ crucified for sin with real compassion and tears and show men and women what it means to say that God loves them and wants to deliver them from the power of sin then they too will comprehend that God's grace is God's mercy also. "Thy mercy triumphs over Thy judgements".

I don't believe that the gospel should touch every aspect of life. It should touch every aspect of individual men and women's lives. Then it will touch everything which God intend it to touch. The only thing which was given to the church were the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Repentance and baptism. We are not called to make disciples of nations, but disciples of all men, who happen to live in the nations. The nations belong to God not the church. The gospel of grace is given to the church. God does sent His servants to the nations, to rebuke governments and kings, but he has not appointed the gospel of grace for that purpose.

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waitonGod Oct 17, 2012

I for one wish there were more Christians involved in politics. Is there any Scripture forbidding a Christian to also be a politician? I can't think of any at the moment. I don't think coming apart from the world and being separate from it is instruction to turn a blind eye to the direction of our country.

sermonindex Oct 18, 2012

Living in Arkansas I am aware of a well known Southern Baptist Minister turned politician. Even ran for President once. He is now a FOX conservative talk show host. How could one ever turn away from preaching tbe glorious gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ and get into tbe curse of politics I never know. But thus nan surely has no power in his ministry. But then he gas no ministry.
It seems the devil tempts pastors to turn away from their spiritual calling to indulge in temporal politics. Their ministry loses power. Praise God I heard men last weekend who have a heart for the tbe things of Christ. And not afraid to declare his gospel.

I dont think we should be judging someone like Mike Huckabee like this. Maybe he is following a path that God has called him to. Maybe pastoring was a "seasonal" calling for him... meaning God called him to do that for a season, but now has him doing something else.

We need to stop pointing fingers and judging what others are doing, especially since you do not know the man.

Not defending Huckabee... just speaking out against the judgemental attitude in your words.

Krispy

sermonindex Oct 19, 2012

By the way... John MacArhtur... he's the man.

Bearmaster's assessment of MacArthur and his ministry is incorrect. He is a seasoned and senior Bible teacher, and as such he has every right to speak to the culture and level his thoughts and opinions about it. Political or otherwise. We NEED more men... older men... like MacArthur!

Krispy

sermonindex Oct 19, 2012

Saints,

We are really trying to minimize and ask that political posts and discussions do not happen on this forum website. We exhort everyone to pray for leadership in the country and to focus on the kingdom of God more than the kingdoms of this world.

also it would be helpful for some who have not read the community rules to do so: SermonIndex Community Guiding Principles: https://www.sermonindex.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=44556&forum=13

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