Allow people to vent their grief

Although we are Canadian (my wife is from the U.S.)our response to the reelection of a man who holds Obama,s moral values in our "sister nation" leaves us feeling deep sadness. While we are fully aware that our true citizenship is in Heaven (praise God that it is!) I believe that it is only right that we grieve now at the realization of how far the people of our countries have fallen from God. There is a time to weep!
When people are hurting, it is helpful for them to express their pain in the presence of someone who kindly listens and realizes that the words spoken are not to be harshly judged or picked apart. The person speaking simply needs to know that they are in the presence of someone who loves them and feels their pain with them.
Lets show that kind of understanding with our dear brothers and sisters on sermonindex on the subject of the election!

Greetings beekpr

I wanted to ask if I may, a questions concerning your post. You wrote: "our response to the reelection of a man who holds Obama,s moral values in our "sister nation" leaves us feeling deep sadness."

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I wonder would Romney really have been any better based on his moral values? He is a Mormon who holds to those false teachings and is an enemy of God? I am not trying to stir up debate, I ask because I really want to understand the heart of other believers in this. I have family who feel great sadness right now as well because of the things you expressed and what I don't understand is where the difference comes in this matter since both men are enemies of God? Would the millions who are lost in their sins be any less lost today if Romney had won? Please understand I ask this with a sincere heart I hope to convey that. Also these are questions in my own mind and heart to consider.

You wrote:I believe that it is only right that we grieve now at the realization of how far the people of our countries have fallen from God.
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I agree with you it is very sad and heart breaking to realize how far and how deceived people are. Many will die in their sins and spend eternity in hell because of their rebellion toward God and unwillingness to repent. This is truly something to grieve over...and yet there is hope and there is life in CHRIST JESUS. I am encouraged and I just want to encourage others now is this time to seek GOD on behalf of all these lost souls. Pray for those around you to come to see the sin in their lives and repent as I am sure you do with zeal.
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you wrote:When people are hurting, it is helpful for them to express their pain in the presence of someone who kindly listens and realizes that the words spoken are not to be harshly judged or picked apart.

Of course listening to those who need to express their fears and sorrows is apart of loving one another in CHRIST but I know in my own walk I also want to hear truth even in the dark times and the truth is JESUS does live and HE still sits on the throne! Nothing has changed. I don't dismiss your sorrows for the lost or diminish that pain but I do feel led to encourage and point you to JESUS. HE does not wish for us to be in despair but to take up our cross and follow HIM! If we allow HIM to HE can take this grief and turn it into a greater desire for HIM and the things of HIS KINGDOM! I pray for you in this time, I pray that we all can see past what our eyes see in the natural world and glance into eternity knowing that JESUS is victorious and has already won the battle! I pray that each day that passes our sadness will be replaced with a resolve to walk boldly in CHRIST and share the truth to whom HE gives us leading that none will be lost.

Someone once said to me, "Be sure that the sorrows you are expressing are for those lost and deceived souls and not a way of life called the American Dream" This was very convicting for me on a personal level, when I examined my own heart in this I realized there was still much that I needed to die to and let go of as far as attachments to this world. This is probably not the case for you but I share it because I do think it is vitally important to ask ourselves in this time why am I grieving? why do I feel this way that I do? and what does the LORD say about that. For me personally my recent posts on this topic have been a desire to offer encouragement and reflection, with the thought that maybe others might have need of one or the other also.

I hope and pray you will receive this post in the heart and spirit of love in which it was written.
Please know I will be praying for you.

God bless
mj

hi mary jane, after the fact; i will now get involved to try to tell the difference. a mormon who has pastored his church for 10 years and believes in Jesus and has high morals. a mormon is deceived and has other strange beliefs but is against gay marriage and abortion and alligns himself with those that are christian and love God is different than a moslem who's book tells him to lie and cheat for the good of allah.who's party eliminated God or any reference thereof at their convention who believe that we should fund abortion and allow others to marry who they like and give them the same benefits to those who have children.a moslem thinks that we are all devils who honor Jesus. enough...jimp

after thought: want to pray more before I respond and am short of time at the moment.

God bless
mj

Thank you, Mary Jane, for responding in the way you did - it helps me to carify the areas in which my post failed to express my objectives. You speak very thoughtfully and graciously and I enjoy communicating in this spirit. Regarding Romney vs. Obama, I realize that the results of the election are part of God's agenda for the good of His people. The fact that He allowed a man to become President who openly approves of gay marriage etc. simply brings us face to face with the realization of how far we have fallen - thus our grief. However, this fact further motivates me to pray with passion for a true revival. Both pleasant emotions and painful ones work for our good and God,s glory if our hearts are sanctified by the Holy Spirit. I fully agree with you that we need to point people who are hurting to the truth in Christ. What I totally disaprove of is the way that Christians so often cruelly fail to listen to one another and do not try to understand concerns, making intelligent communication almost impossible. This also closes the door to real spiritual mentoring. Thanks, again, Mary Jane for your help in making my post clearer and may God bless!

Greetings Jimp: thank you for your response to my question. I do appreciate you sharing your thoughts with me on this. I had typed up a long reply, I even posted it but then as soon as I hit submit I had this overwhelming check in my spirit that I needed to pray more over the post. I want to be careful in not taking the thread off topic of those who are hurting and the sadness they are feeling so I think my comments might be better suited perhaps in a different thread and at another time. Thank you though for sharing.

Greetings beekr: I am so glad you understood the intent of my heart. I do try my best to be careful in how I word things to best convey my heart in posting but there have been times when I have failed to. I am glad this was not one of them. I read through your reply and I do understand what you are saying. I think for many of us the realization of just how lost those in this country are, how willingly they are to live in open sin and rebellion to GOD and HIS ways is heartbreaking. I do understand what you are saying about the need to temper our speech and attitudes with one another in love unto CHRIST. Always when we listen and speak to each other we should be doing so with a CHRIST like heart and attitude. Thank you for your kind and loving response. I feel I have grown in understanding in our exchange today. Praise GOD :)

God bless
maryjane

jimp. I am no Obama fan, but to call the man a muslim is bearing false witness. He may be a muslim sypathizer, but he is not a muslim...

hi, if i am wrong that icalled the man a moslem ;pfor this i ask forgiveness.if you believe him or any thing he says;then we are different.jimp i pray that he and his family would have a saving experience with Jesus and that our country that is so divided would stand together and unite.people here in la.and texas talk somewhat in jest about cessation.we need and i need a move of God.

Grief is exactly what i and others feel. Your condolences and empathy are much appreciated, Beekpr. It feels like a funeral here. Like a death. But not really because of Obama winning the election but because of the fact of no worthy candidates in either party to begin with. Even at the local level in my community, where things seem to me today even worse than the national. The good news is that now i am losing some weight i wanted to lose without even trying.