Croref
Nov 9, 2012
With no TV or radio, no Xboxes and NFL, what can we rightly suppose Adam was doing all those years. I mean, who was Abel raising sheep for and Cain crops?
With no TV or radio, no Xboxes and NFL, what can we rightly suppose Adam was doing all those years. I mean, who was Abel raising sheep for and Cain crops?
quote: "I mean, who was Abel raising sheep for and Cain crops?"
Apparently the same people that Cain was afraid of when he was driven out.
Obviously the Bible does not tell us all there is to know.
The Bible at least suggests that Cain was the firstborn, but many many many other births must not be noted.
Then again, the Bible could record the birth of cain and abel (even if there were other prior births) because of the story that ensued. The prior births and lives, if there were any, were apparently uneventful.
by Croref on 2012/11/9 7:03:26
With no TV or radio, no Xboxes and NFL, what can we rightly suppose Adam was doing all those years. I mean, who was Abel raising sheep for and Cain crops?
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SO after reading this i wondered what does it matter? how would Adam having more children before Cain change anything or cause us to grow in Jesus?
not sure i understand what know or not knowing would do to further the Kingdom of Christ.
rdg
Well he could still be the firstborn SON. Maybe he had 15 older sisters. lol. It was thru the sons that the geneology is counted.
Besides that, 130 in those days (given their very long lifespan) is about the equivalent of age 30 today. Abraham and Sarah didn't have their first child(not counting Hagar's son) til Abraham was 90?100? (my memory is foggy at moment on whether it was Abe or Sarah who was 90).
have to agree with rainydaygirl, it would be much more advantageous to wrap you heart around knowing Jesus better, and leave all the figuring, and questioning of things that have no revealed answers to the time when we see Him face to face. These kind of questionings do not cause us to grow in the Lord, they only stumble us. They are time suckers. We become like what we look at, look at Jesus the author and finisher of our faith, and oh my will you be lovely.
Re: Why should we assume Cain was the first born of Adam when Adam was 130 yrs old wh
by TMK on 2012/11/9 7:14:57
quote: "I mean, who was Abel raising sheep for and Cain crops?"
Apparently the same people that Cain was afraid of when he was driven out.
Obviously the Bible does not tell us all there is to know.
The Bible at least suggests that Cain was the firstborn, but many many many other births must not be noted.
Lets examine that passage TMK? Where is it?
Then again, the Bible could record the birth of cain and abel (even if there were other prior births) because of the story that ensued. The prior births and lives, if there were any, were apparently uneventful.
Like girls __a whole bunch of them??
We can assume that aging started when they left the garden, for Adam he was 1 year old.
Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
In between Cain and Abel, there is no doubt in my mind that Adam and Eve were having daughters left right and centre. Cain took a wife later on, that woman had to come from somewhere and I cannot lower myself to believe she was some descendant of a Screaming Banshee or some other man/ape like thing. Though sometimes a man does wonder, there are times that you can't shut her up.
It's strange to me why there is no mention of Abel being born, I think that Cain and Abel were twins. Cain being the first one that came out, like Esau and Jacob. It's always the older brother or brothers that hate the younger one, that thread seems to weave itself all through the bible.
I consider these subjects to be like Tiddly Winks, amusing distractions. Some meat might come out of it, I hope it does.
Good luck
by rainydaygirl on 2012/11/9 7:18:42
by Croref on 2012/11/9 7:03:26
With no TV or radio, no Xboxes and NFL, what can we rightly suppose Adam was doing all those years. I mean, who was Abel raising sheep for and Cain crops?
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SO after reading this i wondered what does it matter? how would Adam having more children before Cain change anything or cause us to grow in Jesus?
not sure i understand what know or not knowing would do to further the Kingdom of Christ.rdg
This isn't about Jesus. It is about being fruitful and multiplying and re-replenishing the earth when we have been given to believe Adam only had three sons in 130 years and the third one became a husband to a woman we don't know how she arrived on the scene..
Where did Cain get a wife but a sister who became his wife? Maybe 5 or 6, who knows. It had to be something as that.
So when Cain was born we read Eve saying, "God has given me a man child". Do you think she may have been wondering about the issue of procreation, maybe? I mean she could have been dropping one a year and probably did __all girls.
by Approved on 2012/11/9 7:58:39
We can assume that aging started when they left the garden, for Adam he was 1 year old.
In between Cain and Abel, there is no doubt in my mind that Adam and Eve were having daughters left right and centre.
Cain took a wife later on, that woman had to come from somewhere and I cannot lower myself to believe she was some descendant of a Screaming Banshee or some other man/ape like thing. Though sometimes a man does wonder, there are times that you can't shut her up.
It's strange to me why there is no mention of Abel being born, I think that Cain and Abel were twins. Cain being the first one that came out, like Esau and Jacob. It's always the older brother or brothers that hate the younger one, that thread seems to weave itself all through the bible.
I consider these subjects to be like Tiddly Winks, amusing distractions. Some meat might come out of it, I hope it does.
Amen, Brother! But lets not forget that soon we come to the sons of God taking stock of and then up with the daughters of men. Who were these daughters that they should be so called and not the daughters of God? What was going on in that?
Goldminer wrote:
"have to agree with rainydaygirl, it would be much more advantageous to wrap you heart around knowing Jesus better, and leave all the figuring, and questioning of things that have no revealed answers to the time when we see Him face to face. These kind of questionings do not cause us to grow in the Lord, they only stumble us. They are time suckers. We become like what we look at, look at Jesus the author and finisher of our faith, and oh my will you be lovely."
Sorry goldminer; some of us find the Bible intersting, and find questions like these interesting. It has nothing to do, necessarily, with growing in Christ. Some people talk sports, i like to talk Bible. And questions like this are fun to discuss.
Lighten up just a tad.
by Croref on 2012/11/9 8:08:55
by rainydaygirl on 2012/11/9 7:18:42
by Croref on 2012/11/9 7:03:26
With no TV or radio, no Xboxes and NFL, what can we rightly suppose Adam was doing all those years. I mean, who was Abel raising sheep for and Cain crops?
----
SO after reading this i wondered what does it matter? how would Adam having more children before Cain change anything or cause us to grow in Jesus?
not sure i understand what know or not knowing would do to further the Kingdom of Christ.rdg
This isn't about Jesus. It is about being fruitful and multiplying and re-replenishing the earth when we have been given to believe Adam only had three sons in 130 years and the third one became a husband to a woman we don't know how she arrived on the scene..
Where did Cain get a wife but a sister who became his wife? Maybe 5 or 6, who knows. It had to be something as that.
So when Cain was born we read Eve saying, "God has given me a man child". Do you think she may have been wondering about the issue of procreation, maybe? I mean she could have been dropping one a year and probably did __all girls.
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ok enjoy your discussion
rdg
by rainydaygirl on 2012/11/9 10:05:58
It's probably finished . . ))
So what's your question about growing in Christ?? Nobody thinks that is necessary, ya know? I mean you get it all when you get saved__anything more is of a false doctrine. Am I not right?
Knowledge alone about any of these subjects is fruitless, we all will agree with that because it says, "knowledge puffeth up, but charity edifieth". So I take that to mean that information about what happened in the beginning is a complete waste of time, however, if we can discover Jesus Christ in what we are discussing THEN we can have a good bible study, otherwise, it's just knowledge speculation and sometimes strife if we allow that door to swing open.
So how will charity edifieth us through this knowledge?
Just to let some of you know, when your posting a quote, use this, [ quote ] than the quote and then [/ quote ]
there is no spaces between the [parenthesis]. It should be parenthesisquoteparenthesis than place posted quote and then finally parenthesis/quoteparenthesis.
by Croref on 2012/11/9 10:25:17
by rainydaygirl on 2012/11/9 10:05:58
It's probably finished . . ))
So what's your question about growing in Christ?? Nobody thinks that is necessary, ya know? I mean you get it all when you get saved__anything more is of a false doctrine. Am I not right?
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i did not have a question about growing in Christ, i said i didn't understand how this topic would help any of us to grow in Christ. you replied saying- this wasn't about Jesus it was about being fruitful and re-replenishing the earth.
As for the rest of your comment i am not sure if you were being sarcastic with me or serious in what you wrote???
rdg
Knowledge indeed "puffs up" however, knowledge is also the "water of the Word" the Holy Spirit draws from when He drops down His bucket into our well desiring to pull "water" up for some thirsty soul. Got any "water" He can pull up that might give a ready answer for those who seek one from a sincere heart. Will the Lord find us "shallow", lacking insight? Will that soul simply get from us warmed up credal doctrine; understanding of redemption but with no life in it?
Still friends??
Quote: I mean you get it all when you get saved.
Are you sure?
by murrcolr on 2012/11/10 5:06:36
Quote: I mean you get it all when you get saved.
Are you sure?
Yes. I am sure most belief that of the reform crowd.
BTW, That was my inference..
by Croref on 2012/11/10 2:30:31
by murrcolr on 2012/11/10 5:06:36
Quote: I mean you get it all when you get saved.
Are you sure?
Yes. I am sure most belief that of the reform crowd.
BTW, That was my inference..
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Greetings Croref
I just want to be clear that I understand what you are saying...Do you believe that once a person is saved, repents of their sins and is born again submitting their life unto CHRIST as LORD that there is no need for further growth in their daily walk with CHRIST?
God bless
mj
by MaryJane on 2012/11/10 6:11:58
Yes. I am sure most belief that of the reform crowd.
BTW, That was my inference..
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Greetings Croref
I just want to be clear that I understand what you are saying...Do you believe that once a person is saved, repents of their sins and is born again submitting their life unto CHRIST as LORD that there is no need for further growth in their daily walk with CHRIST?
God bless
mj
If I clearly said I was not of the reform crowd instead of just "inferring it", would you receive that as a no? Words mean something. I do try to be clear. I apologize if I wasn't.
y Croref on 2012/11/10 3:49:58
by MaryJane on 2012/11/10 6:11:58
Yes. I am sure most belief that of the reform crowd.
BTW, That was my inference..
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Greetings Croref
I just want to be clear that I understand what you are saying...Do you believe that once a person is saved, repents of their sins and is born again submitting their life unto CHRIST as LORD that there is no need for further growth in their daily walk with CHRIST?
God bless
mj
If I clearly said I was not of the reform crowd instead of just "inferring it", would you receive that as a no? Words mean something. I do try to be clear. I apologize if I wasn't.
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Words do indeed mean something, you are correct in saying so. Perhaps that is why we are instructed to let out yes be yes...
I still do not feel like I understand your answer. Sorry if I am being a bit thick this morning. I am not really interested if you are of the "reformed crowd" just trying to understand your thoughts and beliefs on the question I asked. Seems simple enough, "Do you believe that once a person is saved, repents of their sins and is born again submitting their life unto CHRIST as LORD that there is no need for further growth in their daily walk with CHRIST?"
Yes/No is really all I was looking for :)
God bless
mj
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